Clinton supporters might not go to Obama

[BenDavid]

People are saying that if Obama is the nominee that the Clinton supporters will
vote for Obama, while saying that Obama supporters might not support Clinton.
As a Clinton supporter I'm having a hard time warming up to Obama. Many of us really like Hillary and Bill Clinton and we want to go back to the days of peace and prosperity and real solutions to real problems.

So when Obama surrogate call Bill Clinton a racist, we resent it. When Obama says that Hillary is in the pocket of the lobbyists, we resent it. When we hear Obama surrogates talking about the Clintons the way the Republicans talk about the Clintons, we really resent it.

John McCain is so offensive to conservatives that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have threatened to vote for Hillary. Although those of us who love Hillary will probably not vote McCain, it can not be assumed that we are going to support Obama.

Many of us are very deeply offended and I'm trying to like Obama and it's just not happening. I would warn Obama supporters that being anti-Clinton might result in a Republican president.

Marc Perkel

ps: Hell hath no fury like a child denied a pony(obama)

[Blue_State_Elitist]

1. Have always loved Bartcop

One of the only pro Hillary blogs around.

[BenDavid]

11. Bart is damn close on some of what he's been saying about

obama and the pink tu tu wearing democrats.....

[Fresh_Start]

2. Obama said that....

it wasn't merely some supporters

[ProSense]

3. You'll get over it, or not! The cult thing, Obama supporter will get over it, or not! Bill

will whine no matter what!

[dkf]

4. We never called Bill racist. We said he tried to use Obama's race against him.

Not the same thing at all.

[DianeG5385]

8. Who's "We"? That's very exclusionary and makes our point.

[rodeodance]

19. beg your pardon but MANY have said he was racist!!

[dkf]

22. OK, I never said he was racist and I don't remember seeing

many people assert that.

I thought consensus was that it was bad he was trying to make race an issue...which is why he got slapped around and acknowledged he did bad.

Remember he did do a Mea Culpa so he knows he screwed up.

[rodeodance]

26. fair enough. btw--there is not a consensus but will leave that for another time

OK, I never said he was racist and I don't remember seeing

many people assert that.

I thought consensus was that it was bad he was trying to make race an issue...which is why he got slapped around and acknowledged he did bad.

Remember he did do a Mea Culpa so he knows he screwed up.

[DianeG5385]

5. You expressed my feelings perfectly! I wish people could hear this !

[BayouBengal07]

6. well, shucks, you're right

You can pry the Kool-Aid from my cold, dead hands...if Hillary gets the nod I'll gladly pull the lever for McCain and vote for four more years of the Bush presidency.

Really, you think that's the case? I've heard just as many Clinton supporters saying they'd vote for McCain if Obama was on the ballot. I doubt any registered Democrat will be voting GOP in November.

"Many of us really like Hillary and Bill Clinton and we want to go back to the days of peace and prosperity and real solutions to real problems."

I thought we were supposed to build a Bridge to the 21st Century?

[haroldgiowa]

33. Shame on both sides of this argument

This is why there are times I don't like seeing crossover voters in the primaries and caucuses. The end result is the winner is the Democratic Parties nominee. By allowing crossovers we are opening the party up to outside influences. If they are actually joining the party I welcome them. Those who will not support the parties nominee are not joining to become democrats. Let them do whatever they choose to do in the fall, but they shouldn't be allowed to pick our parties nominee.

I am proud to be a Democrat all the time not a visitor. When you are in our house you should be courteous enough to abide by our rules. Those of you who have crossed over to stay, welcome to the Democratic Party.

[JohnBreauxDemocrat]

7. BenDavid, let me ask you this question -- you can PM me if you want with the answer --

what role do you think AIPAC played in the run-up to the Iraq war.

[HughMoran]

9. You really should have PM'd the question too

You are playing with fire.

[JohnBreauxDemocrat]

10. OK

nt

[Neshanic]

12. If Obama wins, I will be gladly assimilated and vote for him. One thing though...

Do you still use that Star Trek mind ray thing you stare at? Can I just do the coursework instead?

[dkf]

35. You guys are killing me. Assimilated indeed.

Gosh Obama is so very powerful.

Glad he's my #1 :)

[John Q. Citizen]

13. Bart cop can shove his pony he didn't get up his ass as he prays to climb on the way back machine.

Being anti-Clinton is a national pastime, except for the roughly 13% of Hillary worshipers that make up the general electorate.

By the way, just to clear up bartcops misunderstanding, most of the rank and file Dems are going to vote for whoever has a D behind thier name come election time. It's the independents who lean Obama who might not automatically vote for whoever has a D behind thier name. That's why they call themselves independents- Duh!

[Blue_State_Elitist]

17. Please post evidence

that Hillary will receive no more than 13 percent of the vote in the general election.

[John Q. Citizen]

28. I said that about 13% of the voting population are completely gaa gaa about the Clintons.

I never said she would get only 13% of the vote. I figure she would get about what bill did in 1992, about 43%.

[rodeodance]

14. I posted a speach by B. Clinton recently and 99% of responses Bashed Bill and i

do not recall any responses addressing the substance of the enviromental energy plan--he was speaking of hillary's plan.
It was irrational the hate that spilled forth by the reponders.
This is just example of how any and conversation shuts down.

I posted a short newspaper article last night about hill's trip to WA. Again much of same.although there were comments from Hillary supporters. Tha rest was spammed.

[John Q. Citizen]

24. And how did that make you feel?

[rodeodance]

27. go poop on another thead. I do not feel like being mocked!

And how did that make you feel?
Posted by John Q. Citizen

[Webster Green]

15. Don't threaten me!

I can't stand the Big Dawg or his old lady, but I'll damn sure vote for her if she's the nominee.

Fucking grow up, will'ya?

WTF?!:eyes:

[Hippo_Tron]

16. Frankly I'm deeply offended that my candidate is being called a cult leader

But if Hillary is the nominee she gets my vote without a second thought. The Supreme Court is far too important.

I certainly hope that you feel the same way.

[rodeodance]

25. i am sure you are. But Clinton supporters have gotten the hate all year and more vs a

few days. I realize this is prob. an unfair comparison, the hatred in so so so many responses is so vivid no matter the time.

[Hippo_Tron]

32. That's the price that comes with being the frontrunner before any votes are cast

Clinton got hate all year because people knew that she was viable. The minute Obama became viable he was attacked as "The American Idol Candidate" "The candidate of the kids that we never bothered to educate" "A cult leader".

I've come to Clinton's defense against my fellow Obama supporters and not just DU, in person also. I had a conversation with an Obama supporter the other day about the reasons she didn't like Hillary and I said "Look I have some issues with both Bill and Hillary Clinton but some of the stuff you're telling me is completely fabricated by the right wing."

I'm getting incredibly tired of the attacks on both sides, but I suppose it's natural.

[rodeodance]

46. yes. but I cringe at the vile attachs. i do not accept it as natural at all.

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[rodeodance]

29. Shame on you-Your response is a perfect example of slime that

so many get when they try to have a good discussion.

[Indenturedebtor]

37. It's AIPAC spin because he's Jewish?

As if we're all part of some what some global conspiracy? Hmmm? Care to explain?

[jillan]

38. What do you mean by that?

Do you think your candidate would approve of your hatred?

[still_one]

20. Ben you are being disingenuous, you never tried to like Barack

Many of us our equally offended by some of the things Clinton surrogates say about Barack

Let me just say in response to your post, it is a double edged sword, so keep throwing fuel into the fire, and lets see if we go down in flames together

[Wombatzu]

21. it's an empty threat because...

a lot of people don't see much of a difference between Hillary and McCain.

and that's nice using stuff from a fear-mongering site... shows you how little difference there is between Clinton supporters and devotees of the current Administration.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Oh For Fuck's Sake, It's Politics. Were You Expecting Bubble Gum And Pixies?

Obama is a great candidate. BOTH of them would make great Presidents. I'm a Hillary supporter, but if Obama wins then he WHOLEHEARTEDLY has my support. Anyone abandoning EITHER of them come the GE is a fucking braindead jackass in my opinion.

[Hippo_Tron]

34. If I could recommend replies I would recommend this

[Jed Dilligan]

30. Worthless opinionizing destined only to cause more rancor. nt

[rodeodance]

44. did it hit a nerve?

[psychopomp]

50. Do you live under a bridge

and come out to terrify the people of the village? Seriously.

[4nic8em]

31. What real

Democrat wouldn't vote for either of these candidates? Nationally, our primary and caucus turnout has been on average about 30% more than the neonuts. That is very telling. Florida's DEM primary was a record turnout and knew their delegates wouldn't even count. It is incomprehensible that as Bush hating democrats, we would even consider not voting or supporting either one of our candidates for some "bullshit" reason. What's the alternative? How about President John McCain? Screw that. The conservative republics are all pissed off because McCain is to liberal and they're going to teach their party a lesson by "staying at home". Good, fuck em, I hope they do. This election is ours, if we keep our eye on November and not be distracted by all the "asinine" infighting here at DU lately.

[Political Heretic]

36. I will vote for either Democratic because EITHER democrat is BEST for AMERICA

My god people.... can you please for the love of god start putting your country first instead of childish petulance. Waaaa I didn't get my way so I'm going to let the country go fuck itself!

If hillary is the nominee I WILL BE VOTING FOR HILLARY!!!!!!!!!

[Indenturedebtor]

39. Oh

And your post is insulting to Obama supporters. Insult our candidate all you want (expect to get flamed) but supporting his supporters is uncalled for.

[LulaMay]

40. It's true....and also because a lot of women will be so disheartened.

[rodeodance]

45. read this--hope it brightens your day it did mine:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4495841

[caligirl]

41. welcome to endless war and the us as a 2nd tear country Ben if thats your thinking.

I wouldn't go so far as to say dems won't support the nominee. Just people spending too much time here and taking everything so personally that happens on the campaign trail. Campaigns are a tough game and its geared to knock someone out of the race. Don't take it personally and vote for the nominee. The alternative is uglier than I can describe. But Bush 3 is one way.


Back away from your keyboard people, the party is at risk. Let the candidates sling this out, keep the focus on the WH and a dem in it. Politics can get ugly, no need to let it get to you, its just not worth it. All you need to do is vote and support the dem nom.

[katandmoon]

42. I do not favor Obama over Hillary, but....

If Obama gets the nomination you bet your goddamn ASS I'm voting for him.

The alternative is too awful to contemplate.

If a Democrat isn't sitting behind the president's desk in the oval office on January 21, 2009 we are ALL sooooooooo fucking screwed.

So stop whining, be true to your party, and vote for Obama, goddammit.

[busymom]

43. This is where I stand right now too.

Hell...I just may write in Al Gore...or John Edwards. Why not...

[krkaufman]

47. The Obama comment has been taken WILDLY out of context.

Obama has attracted a lot of new, independent and Republican voters during the primary season, and it is reasonable that not all these voters would necessarily vote for another Democratic nominee. Some, certainly; but not all; and the Democratic Obama supporters will very likely vote for whichever nominee is on the ticket in November.


The rest of the post doesn't warrant response.

[NoPasaran]

55. In 2004 I remember Howard Dean remarking

That not all of his voters were necessarily transferable to another candidate and the huge sturm und drang that followed that. But in the end I think just about all us Deaniacs ended up voting for Kerry. The same thing is going to happen this year, I think. When you peel away the packaging, Clinton and Obama are about as different as Coke and Pepsi. We might prefer one or the other, but I don't think many will choose to drink the McCain Drano out of spite.

[krkaufman]

66. Exactly. The controversy is drummed-up by the media for ratings ...

... and by campaigns as a wedge issue. Loads o' ado 'bout nuttin'.

[cali]

48. Who gives a shit if YOU are offended?

No one. And they shouldn't. Educate yourself. Go read Pew's latest report. Dems are overwhelmingly satisfied with both candidates and will vote for whoever is the nominee. It's indies and disaffected repukes who loath Hilly and won't vote for her. Dems will vote for either.

You're in a very tiny minority. No one gives a flying fuck what you do.

[psychopomp]

49. That "Divide and conquer" shit ain't gonna work

...unless we let it!

:toast:

Stay on the positive and don't forget, unless we fuck this up, the Democratic Party has a lock on the next Presidency, which means no more crazy-ass right-wing Supreme Court appointments!

[Levgreee]

51. This is about the 50th time I've seen this repeated, wrongly

he was talking about the Republicans and Independents, some of which would UNDOUBTEDLY not vote Hillary in the GE, but vote for Obama.

[stray cat]

52. Go McCain! If the dems can't get it together we have 4 more years of W.

[goldcanyonaz]

53. Many women WILL sit this election out, and they will hear from us as to why.

[onenote]

54. So you don't want to help defeat the candidate that chimpy and cheney will endorse

That's what you are saying. You will, directly (if you vote for McCain) or indirectly (if you don't vote for the Democratic party candidate) support the election of the candidate backed by chimpy and cheney. And you will assist, directly or indirectly, the rehabilitation of chimpy and cheney's "legacy" -- which will be the result if the repubs continue their hold on the WH.

Just so everyone is clear on what your position is. If you can live with it, there's nothing I can say.

[beyurslf]

56. I do believe Clinton supporters are more likely to support Obama as the

nominee rather than the other way around. Here is my reason:

Clinton supporters are more likely to be Dem activists or party loyalists. Obama has a lot of independent support or support of new voters, first time voters, young voters. These people are less likely to be party loyal.

There is no way I would ever vote for the R and I would ALWAYS support the Dem nominee because I know how important it is the we win the white house. If Obama is our nominee, I am behind him and supporting him that day. No hesistation, no qualms, no if's, no but's. I think plenty of other HIllary supporters are like me. I know it isn't true for everyone, but I think it is generally true about a lot.

[kurth]

57. Many Obamites on here have never voted Democratic

They couldn't care less what Democrats stand for.

Their zeal is for Obama and Obama only.

[CatnHat]

62. As a Clinton supporter

I know she is the most qualified out of the two. The Obama crowd has made it a point to make his campaign about "personality". In my opinion, personality plays only a small role in electing a president. I for one will not vote for Obama because he is just too inexperienced. That's what counts for me. Simple as that. We all have choices, and I take my individual vote seriously, not even "party" loyalty can persuade me to change my opinion on who to vote for and who not to vote for. I vote with my conscious, not because of some "loyalty" pact with the Democratic Party.

[Bluenorthwest]

58. I'll be voting for one of them in November. Both would be better.

Without a doubt. Each will be a bit of a reach for me, but not as far as I've reached to vote for other Democrats in the past. My hope is that before my Primary, I will be able to back one of them freely with my vote and time and all.
Anytime I post anything questioning or even mocking either of them, I am trying to find my candidate, in my own way. Obama folks, Clinton folks, know this. The moment the nomination comes, your candidate will be mine and will be supported all the way to the White House with every word out of my mouth or my keyboard. Just know that. To do otherwise would be out of the question.

[jakem]

59. as usual BenDavid- another of your 'jiveass' posts.

[samrock]

60. You better be wrong

I am a Hillary supporter, but I would vote for Obama in a NY minute.. Are you nutz??? John McCaine as president!?!?!... I sure hope all Obama supporters feel the same way.. I know a lot of right wing wackos are sayong now.. Oh man!! I will NEVER vote for McCaine.. I will sit this out.. DO NOT belive them.. once fall comes around they will ALL turn out to vote.. So we will need EVERY democrat to vote for Obama or Hillary.. which ever one gets it.. This fight is just the prelims!! The main event is coming next... Do NOT forget that!!!

[RiverStone]

61. Whining bullshit....

I'm an Obama fan and strongly believe he is the better choice; however, if Hillary is the nominee she gets my vote.

I'm a democrat and I will support our nominee over any puke - that's a no-brainier.

If your saying that you would NOT vote for Obama and NOT support the Dem party if he is the nominee, then what the fuck are you doing whining on DU???

I respect your right to not like the dude - I can't stand Hillary - but I'll never get how anybody could consider NOT supporting our party's nominee in the face of potentially 8 more years of rethug, war mongering, personal liberty stealing rule!

[Stand and Fight]

63. I absolutely agree...

The many attacks on Clinton daily -- here and in the media -- are only serving to make me less likely to support Obama if he wins in the GE. I don't like the nastiness or the overload of Republican talking points against the Clintons -- especially on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

[NorthernSpy]

64. thing is, Clinton supporters probably have more to lose from a GOP presidency...

So I'm calling your bluff.

[Vinca]

65. Well, it's your choice. There is that 100 years of war thing to consider. nt