No candidate is hurt by defending his/her family....

[MonkeyFunk]

The Clinton-haters are just entirely 'round-the-bend if you think this Shuster issue hurts Hillary.

NO candidate will ever hurt his or her image or chances by defending his/her family against the media.

Remember how Dukakis pretty much lost the election by NOT being outraged over the bizarre question from Bernard Shaw in the debate? Remember how much mileage Cheney got over his fake accusation that Edwards had "outed" his already-out daughter?

No, Americans like when people stand up for their families. Anybody who thinks otherwise is just so blinded by their partisanship they can't see straight.

[Zueda]

1. Is Keith Olbermann next? n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

3. If he says something outrageously stupid, sure.

[mondo joe]

5. Next on what? Keith was appalled by what Shuster said. Didn't you see his apology last night?

I don't know what makes you think Keith would ever do something worthy of this reaction.

[ClassWarrior]

7. Yeah, but the concern trolls are out to take down all of MSNBC.

Look at the thread titles today. They're not about Shuster anymore. They're about the network.

NGU.

[mondo joe]

14. If DUers want to take on corporate media I can hardly cry about it.

And I think MSNBC can handle it. Maybe we'll get more Keith's and fewer Tweety's.

[ClassWarrior]

22. How you gonna get more Keiths by taking out a Keith??

And how are you gonna get the original Keith if you undermine the network??

:crazy:

NGU.

[mondo joe]

27. Keith wasn't taken out. Keith was rightly appalled by this. And now the network knows

there are boundaries.

[ClassWarrior]

OF COURSE HE WAS. I was rightly appalled when Stephanie Miller played...

..."Let's Hear it for the Boy" in reference to John Conyers! But it was obvious she didn't mean it that way. At least obvious to thinking people.

NGU.

[mondo joe]

38. Ah. People who disagree with you are not "thinking people".

I see.

Thanks.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. If your "keith"

says things like Shuster said, we don't need more of 'em.

[Saturday]

40. Olbermann has already done it but he is very clever.

Watch his guests and watch the questions he asks. All slanted towards anti Hillary responses. He doesn't personally do it, he just leads his guests to do it.

[Maribelle]

41. Kieth apologized for MSNBC last evening. I think he gets the zero tolerance message.

He's an intelligent man, arguably the smartest on the NBC/MSNBC menu.

[rodeodance]

51. Keith handled this situation well.

[mondo joe]

2. Exactly. Dukakis was a DISASTER on that point. IMO, Kerry was later a disaster on

not defending himself against the swiftboaters.

I think it's a real point in voter perception - if this candidate won't defend himself or his family how are they going to defend me?

[neutron]

30. Great Point

We've been losing because our candidates took a lot of crap
and didn't defend themselves.

[mondo joe]

33. I actually explained to the DNC caller in 04 that I would not donate more until Kerry started

defending himself - and by extension me.

[displacedtexan]

43. You should've been in Kerry DC HQ during that time.

We all just looked at each other, wondering when Kerry was going to
say something... anything.

No one could believe he was letting those swiftboaters get away with that.

The TV at HQ was on MSNBC all day and night while we worked, BTW.

[thunder rising]

4. The rest of us just see it as a pattern of abuse of power. She doth protest too loudly.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. Abuse of power?

She doesn't have the power to get Shuster suspended.

I imagine the thousands of calls and emails MSNBC got had something to do with it.

Sorry, but only people who already hate her fault her for this. Stable people were rightly offended by what he said, and see nothing wrong with her defending her family.

[kurth]

23. Family means shit to a cult member

[lumberjack_jeff]

45. Demonstrably not true

I plan to vote for her, but her outrage over the patently obvious observation that Chelsea is being used by the campaign is contrived.

[MonkeyFunk]

47. What's demonstrably not true?

Please demonstrate for me.

[lumberjack_jeff]

49. "but only people who already hate her fault her for this"

call me exhibit #1.

I fault her for it.

[MonkeyFunk]

57. I just find it hard to believe

that anybody who otherwise likes her objects to her defending her family against media smears.

[lumberjack_jeff]

59. She's been using Chelsea as bait for the aforementioned smears.

The grossly disproportionate response suggests that they were hoping for a bigger fish.

[MonkeyFunk]

61. And I think that's such a jaundiced way to view it

that only someone who already dislikes her would think of it that way.

[lumberjack_jeff]

64. Today, she's my choice.

But admittedly, I don't find it an easy one.

[terrya]

12. It's a mother protecting her daughter.

When it comes down to it, that's all that this is about.

Some people, like you, want to magnify it into yet another slur against the Clintons.

[Maribelle]

39. MSNBC had no choice but to first fire(suspend) and then publicly apologize (thru Keith)

Any other act would indicate they were supporting Verbal Sexual Abuse against women.

I hope that by today, if they haven't done so already, MSNBC is stressing that MSNBC needs to enforce a zero tolerance policy on Sexual Abuse.

[rodeodance]

53. You stll do not get it do you!!

[terrya]

6. It's perfectly justified to want to protect your family.

And no one should feel they have to explain being outraged when a family member is attacked in the media.

I wish some people would understand that.

[mondo joe]

10. For how many years have DUers complained about MSM treatment of our candidates, and

wanted someone to fight back?

Now it happens and everyone becomes the defender of corporate media.

[terrya]

16. Exactly.

If I were in a situation similar to Chelsea Clinton's, I'd wonder if my parents DIDN'T become outraged.

[ClassWarrior]

20. We don't want them to lash out blindly. We're all intelligent enough...

...when we don't let our emotions control us, of judging who's the good guys and who's the bad guys. And it's obvious that Shuster ain't no Hannity.

NGU.

[mondo joe]

24. Hm, this seems intelligent enough. Keith Olberman was appalled by what Shuster did.

Who you are is not an excuse for what you do.

Let this be a notice to all the talking heads.

[ClassWarrior]

32. Yes, "Talking heads, you must make NO MISTAKES. You must be SUPERHUMAN."

"One slip and YOU'RE FINISHED!!"

:eyes: Brother. Control issues?

NGU.

[mondo joe]

34. Finished? He was suspended. Does suspension usually mean death?

[MonkeyFunk]

36. Joe

you have to understand that the only way to bitch about Hillary overreacting is to overreact.

[terrya]

37. Of course not.

It's not like Shuster is on a street corner, asking for handouts or anything. He still has a career.

Some of these people here are just a touch in full melodrama queen mode.

[MonkeyFunk]

35. But he's not finished

He'll be back shortly and his career will go on. He's being given time on the naughty chair.

God, how can people accuse Clinton of overreacting when they themselves overreact 10x worse?

[ClassWarrior]

13. Is it perfectly justified to destroy someone's career over an unintended insult?

:eyes:

NGU.

[mondo joe]

17. Ask Don Imus about it.

[terrya]

21. Yeah, that was "unintended", also.

Yeah, ol' Don was just fooling around that morning. :eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

29. Wow, you have one deficient lack of judgement if you see Drunk-Boy and Shuster...

...on the same level.

NGU.

[mondo joe]

31. If good people do bad things, they have to be called on it. It's the action, not the

person.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. She's not destroying his career

that's like saying non-buoyant blacks destroyed Al Campanis' career.

[rodeodance]

54. Take that up with msnbc--This was his offence.

[KittyWampus]

8. there's protesting an off color remark and then there is milking it for all it's worth.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. LOL

that's a mighty fine and subjective distinction you got there.

[KittyWampus]

18. Bill Clinton's GOP style deregulation contributed largely to the Media environment we "enjoy" today.

[Maribelle]

42. Verbal sexual abuse is not the same as an off color remark.

Perhaps you need an orientation on sexual abuse.

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. Jesus! It's 8:23 am and I already have my lifetime dose of hyperbole.

My dosimeter just exploded.

[tammywammy]

15. Agreed

:)

[UALRBSofL]

19. I agree with the OP

And I did support Dukakis, BTW.

[terrya]

25. Oh, btw....recommended.

[lumberjack_jeff]

44. ... which is what makes us cynical about tears punctuated by faux outrage. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

48. The greatest faux outrage

is right here on DU. People pretending that Hillary has destroyed Shuster's career. People pretending to be offended that a Democrat stands up to media attacks. Pretending that it hurts a politician to defend her family.


THAT'S faux outrage! Clinton has nothing on you folk.

[lumberjack_jeff]

52. The faux outrage does not hurt Hillary. It helps.

But it's still faux outrage.

Hillary is simultaneously using Chelsea as an untouchable spokesperson and as bait for the kind of comments we've come to expect from Coulter & Co.

The size of the club that they're applying to MSNBC and Shuster suggests that they were hoping for a bigger fish.

[rodeodance]

50. You are right--people do not like families members being pounced on by the media!

[robbedvoter]

55. Of course, comparing Dukais with Cheney you forgot the Mighty Wurlitzer effect

it doesn't blow evenly for GO_-ers and Dems. Or in this case for favored vs not-favored dems.

[MonkeyFunk]

56. True

but the point remains - no candidate is hurt by standing up for his family against the media.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

58. K&R nt

[tishaLA]

60. I agree

I just don't understand the consternation. I do, however, wonder how far Sen Clinton expects MSNBC to go with Shuster.

[MonkeyFunk]

62. I think she's putting them on notice

that they can go so far, and only so far. I respect that.

I wish all the candidates would do it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. That's right. Just ask any parent what they would do in the same situation. Me, as a mom,

would have given him an earful.:7

[TZ]

65. I agree with MF, and I am NOT a Clinton fan

K+R

[rodeodance]

66. Recall when Kerry-or was it Edwards made a comment about Cheney's daughter being

a lesbian --during a debate--It did not sit well with a whole lotta folks from all stripes
--and she was an older accomplished daughter in her own right.