Hillary Clinton: "Enough with the talk."

[bigtree]

SPOKANE, WASH. -- On the night before Washington State Democrats hold their caucuses, Hillary Clinton took a swipe at Barack Obama without naming him saying, “I have spent my lifetime working to get results for real folks, who need a champion who need a fighter, who need a doer. Enough with the talk. Let's start with the action, let’s produce results.”

Clinton spent most of the event laying out her well-rehearsed stump speech but broke ranks to make the case as to why she would be the best president, again, taking on her opponent.

“I have been very specific in this campaign. I know that sometimes it’s exciting to hear a speech that is really powerful and raises your sights, but when the lights are down and the cameras are gone you need to know what I’m going to do, because we need a president who will actually produce results for the American people,” said Clinton.

"We have had enough of a president who doesn’t care about the American people, who doesn’t really solve the American people’s problems and puts our country at risk, and that’s why I have been so specific.”

When asked if Clinton was referring to Obama when she referenced President Bush as a president who "puts our country at risk,” campaign spokesman Jay Carson said she "was not referring to Senator Obama. She frequently makes the case that she is the candidate with the strength and experince to manage the economy and be commander in chief on day one."


http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/02/08/politics/fromtheroad/entry3811403.shtml

[thunder rising]

1. Where was the speech exactly? How many people attended?

[Deja Q]

2. Just like Tata?

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=07&year=2007&base_name=post_4419

What were the results? Tata created only 10 jobs in Buffalo (the company won't say how many of those employees are American citizens) and has so far not worked at all with the university. In 2004 Clinton defended herself to Lou Dobbs, saying, "Outsourcing does work both ways." But at least in the Tata deal -- and my hunch is that this is the case for many supposed partnerships between huge multinational corporations and public universities in economically beleaguered regions -- local benefits were minute.


I really want to believe her current words. I really want to believe Obama's. Unfortunately, he has no experience and... well, she does.



Now I want to believe that America needn't be abandoned in the age of globalization. But, to date, anything to do with globalization has all but annihilated the US economy. Why should more Americans suffer to provide the prospering of others? We are told to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps...

[enid602]

51. Europe

But why is it that only the US is perceived to be a victim of globalization? I'm sure people in Europe are also worried about their jobs, but there doesn't seem to be as widespread a fear there with re: to outsourcing/globalization/industry loss. I suspect it's because the EU does not give incentives to its firms to outsource and offshore. Nonetheless, the EU does participate in world trade. I wonder what our economy would look like if those who criticize free trade so vehemently have their way. Will we be driving Packards and watching Motorolas again? Was life really so great in the '40's, before we took part in global trade in a big way?

[jefferson_dem]

3. Inspiration, hope, and an end to the politics of fear kind of sucks.

Yay status quo! Vote Hillary!

[bigtree]

6. thanks for the kick

[jefferson_dem]

8. Thanks for another illustration of what Hillary offers...and doesn't.

[bigtree]

11. I'm certain you're impressing yourself

thanks again.

[nonconformist]

20. You mean action instead of lofty idealism?

Yeah, I prefer action.

[AJH032]

24. Clinton roughly equals Obama

that is, Clinton ≈ Obama in terms of policy, and plans for the WH. Sorry, but it's pretty much true (hence, ≈ )

[bigtree]

26. that's pretty accurate

that's why there's such a scramble from both camps to find other things to demonstrate differences between them.

[JAbuchan08]

54. yeah, even their Iraq war votes were the same

in fact they're so the same, that you might as well vote for Hillary.

Where they're differen't they're almost the same, but where they're different Obama is almost the same as Hillary and Hillary is almost the same as Obama. Obama's legislative experience is almost the same as Hillary's, except where it's different, where they're almost the same again, tie goes to Hillary.

Even where they're different they're almost the same enough that even if you disagree with Hillary, she's almost the same as Obama, which is pretty much the same.

So being that they are the same in all aspects, except where they're different, they're pretty much the same. Tie goes to Hillary on richness of life-experience.

[KittyWampus]

4. Clinton- you are pathetic when it comes to net neutrality, media consolidation, broadband

and Telecom issues.

Barack Obama has an entire page of policies that push a progressive agenda.

You mention protecting kids from television.

[bigtree]

7. you are pathetic with these hit posts

[KittyWampus]

15. my post refers to ISSUES. Which Clinton supporters can't seem to debate.

Go look at your candidate's webpage and see what she has to say about the FCC, Media Consolidation, Net Neutrality, Broadband.

[bigtree]

17. your posts are pathetic hit pieces of recycled bullshit

what ARE you doing on THIS thread, anyway? Issuemongering?

[HughMoran]

47. Heh

must be why all I see is "ignored" :rofl:

[Submariner]

5. Lousy judgment as a Senator voting up the IWR

excludes her from the C-in-C job. Iraq was an obvious ruse from Day 1 Hillary. That was your DAY 1, and you blew it Bigtime.

[Skip Intro]

9. Who\'d you vote for in 04?

[UALRBSofL]

18. It doesn't matter who he voted for in 04, he wasn't a woman

And you get the prize(kerry).

[Alexander]

44. A lot of people held their nose when voting for John Kerry.

Like it or not, the IWR vote is important to many liberals. Among other things, it gives us a clue about the candidate's judgment and under what circumstances they would send our troops off to war.

[bigtree]

10. Another apologist for Bush

The IWR didn't authorize Bush to do what he ultimately did.

Bush initiated the invasion using a loophole in the War Powers Act which allowed him to commit troops for a time before informing or getting approval from Congress. The WPA was put into the IWR to make the resolution look like the trigger.

But, Bush basically ignored the provisions in the IWR which mandated restraint, like, the exhaustion of all peaceful means (did he?) and the return to the U.N. Security Council before taking military action to enforce the U.N. resolution (he didn't). To suggest that Bush was merely following some authorization from Congress to pull inspectors out of Iraq before they were finished, and preemptively and unilaterally invade and occupy Iraq, is an amazing apology for the lame-duck militarist.

In fact, the funding (which Obama voted for, and only this year opposed) was the first opportunity Congress had to approve or disapprove of Bush's tyranny. NOTHING in the IWR prevents Congress from doing their job and refusing to fund his occupation, at ANY time.

[Captain Hilts]

35. The War Powers Act permits GWB to do ANYTHING with the troops for 60 days.

He didn't need the IWR at all.

It's Bush's War.

[Carolina]

25. exactly

and that's why some of us held our noses and voted for those other two IWR 'aye' voters in 2004. No choice then, and fool me once... so to speak.

But not this time!

[Rock_Garden]

12. Good post, bigtree.

[bigtree]

16. thanks. seems to have gotten under the skin of some folks here

She makes perfect sense:

“I have been very specific in this campaign. I know that sometimes it’s exciting to hear a speech that is really powerful and raises your sights, but when the lights are down and the cameras are gone you need to know what I’m going to do, because we need a president who will actually produce results for the American people,” said Clinton.

[Orsino]

13. Enough with the empty talk.

She has been neither a champion nor "specific" about how she might begin to undo decades of neocon abuse. I dig that she's probably going to end the war someday soon, and that's priority one for me.

Her record amounts to support for the rape of the country, and I'm sorry to say that Obama has not impressed me much more. We do need a champion, right now, one who will do more than double-deal.

[Carolina]

27. exactly

all talk, all spin, all triangulation all the time.

Please, someone, tell me one time, on one important thing, where she has stood up and fought Bush?!

[bigtree]

31. that's just not a credible question.

Clinton attacks Bush over jailed Saudi rape victim
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/clinton-attacks-bush-over-jailed-saudi-rape-victim-759056.html

Hillary Clinton Stands Up for Science, Slams Bush
http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/10/clinton_science

Clinton on Monday blasted the Bush administration as "one of the worst" in U.S. history and compared the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to a plantation where dissenting voices are squelched.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-01-16-clinton-bush_x.htm

Hillary Clinton slams Bush on economy
http://www.independent-bangladesh.com/200801271013/business/hillary-clinton-slams-bush-on-economy.html

HILLARY SLAMS BUSH ON BIN LADEN
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2006/09/zing.html

Hillary Rodham Clinton called the Bush administration "incompetent" when it came to protecting the troops in combat
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=1489733

Hillary Clinton takes on Bush's NCLB
http://blog.middleschoolworld.com/2007/04/07/hillary-clinton-takes-on-bushs-nclb.aspx

[Carolina]

55. this is such crap

to be credible.

Notice the friggin dates! Her earliest "blast" is 2004. And she voted for NCLB knowing full well that, as with anything Bush did/does, it would not be funded or handled appropriately!

Most of her other speaking out is 2006 or later when she was planning to run or already running for POTUS.

Where was she in 2002, 2003 about the friggin war which by the way is about much more than lack of body armor!

Spare me all her too little, too late triangulating speechifying.

Where was she early and often?!

[Colobo]

14. Enough with the talk, Hillary. Shut up.

[bigtree]

19. could you be any more juvenile?

does your candidate have ANYTHING you can spend your time representing?

[nonconformist]

21. Just hope... the hope for change...

And, possibly, ponies.

[Deja Q]

22. Based on hope? I was hoping some would be more substantive than that.

[HughMoran]

41. No, you shut up

Stupid post for you - iggy :hi:

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

23. why does being the wife of a president or governor count as experience?

She only has more experience because here spouse was a governor and president. If you look at actual jobs held, he has the upper hand.

Jeez, with this logic, Laura Bush has 8 years executive experience. Its this kind of Clinton spin that I find insulting.

[bigtree]

28. Actually, she has a broad resume, including voluntereer work

. . . both, individually, and behind her husband's administrations. Her resume isn't all that hard to look up.

[Carolina]

29. exactly

She rode Bill's coattails to positions of power. She hitched her wagon to HIS star power in the 1970s, moving to Arkansas (before they married) to the shock and dismay of her friends who thought she was throwing away her future.

No, she was calculating and knew HE was going places. His Momma even had her pegged! Part of her much vaunted experience is as First LADY (Arkansas and US, a total of 20 years in that role). And had she not been First Lady, her bid for a NY Senate seat (which has launched this POTUS bid) would have been laughable.

She's not the poster child for feminism or for women who have ever had to work their own way up the male chain of power and command, on their own name and merits.

But the Clintonistas spin her IWR vote, the sexism excuse or whatever...

[Straight Shooter]

30. I remember Republicans screaming because she was too involved while in the White House.

Now certain Dems are screaming because they claim she wasn't involved enough.

There's no point in turning on a light for those who willingly blindfold themselves.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

32. She and Obama have equal experience unless you count her time

as the President's wife. I'm just saying that she needs to be honest and not spin this crap about her being more experienced. She is older, but there experience is equal.

[bigtree]

33. they have different experiences. I don't think Obama has any experience equal

to Hillary's experience working behind her husband's administrations. Nor does he have any of the experiences she has had in working with children and children's issues. That doesn't take away from Obama's, but there are differences, which she's been eager to point out.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

34. She hasn't had the experience organizing people in low income communities

I would say her child experience equals his community organizing experience.

His state legislature experience and senate experience equals her senate experince.

The only real difference is she was married to a governor and president.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

37. She also did not make deals with slumlords that hurt those people.

Rezko kind of screwed over Obama's young people, but Obama supporters overlook it.

Boarded up a bunch of "projects" but seemed to profit!

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

38. how many people have died because of that

Compare that to Hilary Clintons Iraq war authorization vote (which the majority of democrats in congress voted against) and tell me who has done more harm.

She still will not admit she was wrong to do that. still will not call it a mistake.

How can you vote for someone who won't admit when they do something wrong?

[nonconformist]

39. Then you don't know what you're talking about.

Hillary has been in the thick of it since the 70's.

Did you know that Hillary was on the legal team preparing impeachment against Nixon?

Did you know that Hillary was instrumental in getting SCHIP enacted, which has given millions of children (like my own) health care?

Did you know that Hillary fixed the problems in foster care that discouraged adoption of special needs children?

Did you know that Hillary continues to be the loudest and really only voice fighting for 9/11 first responders?

Did you know that there is a massively huge difference between a state senate and the U.S. Senate?

[Thrill]

48. How involved was she in NAFTA?

Let me guess. You're going to say not much. Her supporters love to give her credit for the things that go right but claim she had little to nothing to do with all the other BS that happened under Bill

[bigtree]

49. **you shouldn't presume folks don't have an answer**

Carl Bernstein: Hillary Clinton and NAFTA

Bernstein: "Hillary Clinton’s economics, the ones she preached to her husband in the White House are much closer to John Edwards then you would think. She argued with Bill Clinton when she was First Lady, her husband, she said ‘Bill, you are doing Republican economics when you are doing NAFTA.’ She was against NAFTA. And if she would somehow come out and tell the real story of what she fought for in the White House and failed in a big argument with her husband she would end up moving much closer to those Edwards followers."

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/31/carl-bernstein-says-hillary-clinton-fought-against-nafta-when-bill-implemented-it

[nonconformist]

50. I don't give her a pass on anything.

She's flawed, and I have no problems criticizing her where it's warranted.

I think you'll find it's more Obama supporters who can't bring themselves to criticize ANYTHING about him.

[bigtree]

46. yes, they both have fine credentials

but they do have different qualifications. The part about her being married to Bill doesn't at all address the work that she did behind his governorship or behind his two terms as president. That work, in particular, has no parallel in Obama's life experience.

[nonconformist]

36. Oh please... you know damn well that Hillary is no Laura Bush.

You know that she was very involved, very instrumental, a very unique hands-on with policy First Lady.

Frankly, I find the assertion that Hillary is JUST A DAMN WIFE incredibly insulting.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

40. she has plenty of experience besides that

but if you are using that as her experience, tell me what she accomplished as the wife of the president, other than pushing back universal healthcare by at least a generation by her political ineptness.

[nonconformist]

43. She accomplished a great deal as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<138> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<139> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<48> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<48> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<48> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<48> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<140> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<141> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<142> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<143> and Philanthropy (1999).<144>

Hillary Clinton traveled to 79 countries during this time,<145> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<146> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself,<147> declaring "that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights"<147> and resisting Chinese pressure to soften her remarks.<145> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<148><149> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.<150>

And I for one appreciate that she tried so hard to get us universal health care. At least she TRIED. Now we're criticizing people for trying to do the right thing?

[anamandujano]

45. Lot's of good info, Thanks!

And, thanks Hillary and bigtree for my new sig.

[nonconformist]

53. *cough*

No response to her accomplishments as First Lady?

[robbedvoter]

42. Well said!

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

52. Yep!