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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:11 PM
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Chairman Dean: "I don't think we can afford to have a brokered convention."
CNN: Democrats dread drawn-out, costly campaign
From Jim Acosta

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- With Sens. Barack Obama of Illinois and Hillary Clinton of New York nearly splitting the delegate count in the race for the Democratic nomination, party leaders have a major dilemma on their hands: a tie ballgame heading into the convention.

"I think we're going to have a nominee by middle of March or April," Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said. "But if we don't, then we're gonna have to get the candidates together and make some kind of arrangement, because I don't think we can afford to have a brokered convention. That would not be good news for either party." That's because unlike recent conventions, when the party tickets were firmly established, Obama and Clinton could conceivably end up short of the 2,025 delegates needed to secure the nomination. The job of putting a candidate over the top would then fall to superdelegates -- the nearly 800 party leaders who can cast ballots for the candidate of their choice.

Asked whether she would be troubled by a brokered Democratic convention in which superdelegates would determine the party's nominee, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi defended her party's system. "These superdelegates are all part of their state delegation, so that state will speak," Pelosi said. The superdelegates "work out their preference, working with the people of their state." Superdelegates were established, Pelosi explained, to allow grass-roots Democratic activists to attend the nominating convention without having to compete with high-ranking Democratic Party officials for a coveted spot on the convention floor. "So, again, I don't think that members of Congress, governors and senators are not attuned to what's happening in their states and in their districts," Pelosi said.

CNN political analyst Donna Brazile railed against the scenario. "If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this," Brazile said.

The second fight is likely to be over seating delegates from Michigan and Florida. The Democratic Party has already voted not to seat their delegates because they held early primaries. Clinton won both contests, and she wants those delegates seated. On the Senate floor on Friday, Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida -- a Clinton supporter -- predicted a "potential train wreck" when deciding what to do about the disputed delegates from Florida and Michigan. He opposes Dean's suggestion to consider a new vote. "It's a basic underpinning of our democracy and it is a basic underpinning of our constitutional right to vote and to have that vote counted," Nelson said. "You can't undo an election with a caucus. And especially you can't undo an election where 1.7 million Florida Democrats have gone to vote in a secret ballot and replace it with a caucus that maybe 50,000 people would show up," Nelson added....

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The record shows the more divided the party, the more likely it is to lose in November. As Dean observed, there have been three divided Democratic conventions in recent decades -- 1968, 1972 and 1980. Democrats lost each time.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/08/dem.delegates/index.html
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:12 PM
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1. Hmm, he may be right. But I think we'll have a nominee by late Spring.
If not, he should start trying to make deals.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:13 PM
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2. I'm glad we have a sensible chairman at the helm. I trust Dean to
guide us through this.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:03 PM
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15. Good point. This is a lot of power in Dean's hands. nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:14 PM
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3. Al Gore - elected once, no war stains like obama and hillary nt
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:15 PM
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4. Preventing a brokered convention could be more damaging..
..than allowing one.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:54 PM
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9. Exactly! Let's get a winner! n/t
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:18 PM
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5. Dean's just going to have to wait until Hillary drops out, that's all.
I don't think he can talk her into it until she loses 7 or more states.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:20 PM
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6. We can't afford to nominate another loser.
If both Hillary and Obama are losing to McCain in the polls at the time of the convention, then the superdelegates need to block both of them.

I want to win, and I don't care if the convention is brokered or not.

I want a winner.

Frankly, an obscene amount of money has been thrown around in these primaries.

I don't see how allowing the delegates to nominate someone who doesn't owe anyone anything could be considered a bad thing.

It may very well give a compromise nominee an issue to hit McCain with.

Oh, yes, remember when campaigns were about issues?

:think:
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Crooked Moon Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:00 PM
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12. i disagree.
the party should ensure that it makes a good-faith effort to reflect the will of the people.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:11 PM
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14. The purpose of the superdelegate system was to insure there wasn't another 49 state loss like '72,
So then the superdelegates, almost unanimously, voted for Mondale in '84, and he suffered an even bigger loss in the electoral college than McGovern did.

The problem with your "will of the people" argument is that the people needed to win in a general election, independents and cross over Repukes, do not vote in the Dem primary.

If we don't nominate someone who can win in November, this is all a cruel farce.

Really, the convention should be about what we as a party believe, i.e., our platform, and less a coronation of the person with the most delegates.

The rules are the rules, and if no one has enough delegates after the first vote, everyone is free to vote for someone else.

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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:23 PM
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7. Pelosi sucks
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:31 PM
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8. Michigan's Superdelegates should not get seated.
Seat the regular delegates, though. I don't know if that is even possible. Anyway, that's the message I sent to Deans office this morning.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:58 PM
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10. hmmm... I guess they expected us all to fall in line after Iowa
which speaks exactly to why those states pushed their primaries up in the first place.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:59 PM
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11. Nominated.
This would be bad for the democratic party.
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:08 PM
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13. What we can't afford
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:11 PM by The empressof all
Another browbeaten, cynical generation of Democrats who accept Politics as usual from our party. The murky waters of the super delegates will create opportunity for one side or another to call foul.

Although there's some voyeristic thrill in seeing how it would all play out in a photo finish. Dean is right.
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