Schuster created a lie about phoning delegates ("weird") so that he could say "pimped her out"

[Proud2BAmurkin]

The problem with Schuster's comment is that he created a lie ("pimping her out in a weird way") to set up his insult that he would not have leveled against another campaign.

There is nothing weird about surrogates and supporters calling Superdelegates. It's like saying "Chelsea is handing out flyers at the county fair. Are they pimping her out in a weird way?"

It's got bias, lies, and probably sexism

Is that really hard to comprehend why these fuckers should be held accountable?

[JackORoses]

1. there is something wrong about using your child to try to leverage Superdelegates

or do you think Chelsea just decided to start calling them on her own?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. "child" rofl she's almost 30

[JackORoses]

25. yet she is still their child

a few weeks back she couldn't even give interviews.
now she is pressuring Superdelegates behind the scenes?

She does what They want her to.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

30. When she's 40 are you going to still say that? 50? 60?

when does someone become responsible for their own actions

[JackORoses]

33. you think she just happened to have the Superdelegates phone numbers on her Blackberry?

Or were they provided to her by her mother's campaign for an express purpose?

[thepurpose]

3. Chelsea is an adult not a friggin child. And I really hope you don't think she is the first to do

such a thing.

[Diane R]

5. Chelsea Clinton is six years older than Monica Lewinsky was.

[emilyg]

10. Shame on you.

[yardwork]

23. What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

31. candidate children must be Chelsea's age +1 to participate in politics

[Eric J in MN]

6. yes, if she were under 18, which she's not. NT

NT

[flyarm]

13. Romney's 5 boys were making calls also!!SO WAS EDWARDS DAUGHTER.

their parents were not accused of pimping out their kids!!

stop making excuses for this..it is dispicable and disgusting..end of story.

fly

[JackORoses]

26. making calls to the public or the Superdelegates?

there is a big difference.

the SDs represent thousands of voters.
they should make Independent decisions, free from backroom dealing and pressure from Presidential Children.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

28. Daschle among others are making calls for Obama. It's done. There's no issue here

stop believing the MSM lies

[yardwork]

22. John Kerry's adult children were involved in his campaign.

Why wouldn't a candidate's family help them get elected?

Most people think it's weird when a candidate's family *doesn't* support their election. See Rudy Giuliani.

[spooky3]

29. very good point

[DURHAM D]

4. MSM and MSNBC in particular are just

a bunch of sexist wankers. They talk among themselves and agree with each other that they are not sexist wankers.

The behavior of the MSM reminds me of the reaction of the Catholic church (going back decades and decades) when charges of pedophilia began to surface. They ignored it. They denied it. They punished the victims by calling them liars. They protected their institution at all costs while demonizing the very people they were supposed to serve. In short - they were just a bunch of wankers who got together and officially declared they were not a bunch of wankers. They are still doing it.

[dkf]

9. Is this what we are going to be subjected to if Hillary is President?

Constant charges of sexism?

Damn it is going to be revolting to have to live through years of "sexism sexism sexism sexism".

Why is it I hardly heard that word until Hillary ran?

[DURHAM D]

12. The reason you didn't hear it before is because you were not listening.

And I hope that for the rest of your life you hear the constant charges of gender bias until there is no more gender bias.

And I hope that the volume increases no matter who is elected. Frankly, it will be louder if she is not.

Hillary understands that. That is why she is running - not because of personal ambition but because she wants the conversation.

[dkf]

15. Seriously, I've never been so aware of my gender until

this race.

I actually thought I was getting some respect from my co-workers.

Now I know I'm just a female who gets treated badly because of my sex.

Thank you people for enlightening me.

[DURHAM D]

16. You see the issue just from your personal perspective? eom

[Little Star]

14. I happens to women all over the US every day. The reason

you never heard more about it is: Most women are not running for the president of the USA. Most sexist things that happen to women would not be believed if they did point it out. Women are afraid to rock the boat and possibly lose their jobs. Also it is so insidious that people can't recognize it, even women.

Definition
insidious:
gradual and harmful: slowly and subtly harmful or destructive
(an insidious evil)

[dkf]

17. I don't know. All these accusations of sexism make me

feel smaller and more powerless, not more powerful.

I think that bringing it up reinforces the stereotypes and in my case, I'm feeling like I'm being pushed into that stereotype, not breaking out of it.

[onenote]

20. so does bringing up accusations of racism "reinforce stereotypes"

Should African Americans just be quiet? Is that your point? Because I'm having a hell of a time figuring out what exactly your point is.

[dkf]

35. I'm telling you how it affects me personally and how I feel

when this stuff is brought up.

I guess everyone else's point is that I should be aware of it and sensitive to it. My point is that I am more apt to try to push through this stuff when I don't know its there. So from my point of view, the awareness of "sexism" creates barriers for me.

[niyad]

19. I don't know how young you are, but I can assure you that, as a life-long feminist

fighting for women's rights, that word is not new. pay attention, and look at the women's movement (I'll be nice, just start from the '60's)

your comment, alas, displays an appalling ignorance about the status of women in this country.

[dkf]

36. Frankly, in my world this is old news.

I don't feel limited by my sex at all.

My only barriers are the ones I choose to erect.

[yardwork]

24. Yes, Hillary Clinton is solely responsible for sexism in the world.

Now I get it.

[K Gardner]

34. Exactly. And god forbid she pitches never-ending hissy fits every time the leader of another country

doesn't tow the Hillary line. I can't listen to this crap for another 8 freakin years. No one should have to.

[Armstead]

7. Yes Schuster is a horrible person

He used to make me so mad when he was one of the few reporters who were actually covering Bush's shenanagans honestly

[WillyT]

8. Yep... All That Damned Reporting On The Scooter Libby Trial...

He should be drawn and quarterd.

:sarcasm:

[Yossariant]

11. Racism, bad. Sexism, good.

[ellacott]

18. What lie did he create?

Are you saying that she really didn't make calls?

[SaveOurDemocracy]

21. The 'lie' was that this phoning of SD was an unusual

activity, and that this participation in her mother's campaign shoul allow the MSM to prey on her.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

27. "calling delegates is weird and also requires a participant grant interviews to the lying media"

[1776Forever]

32. I think Shuster should never have used the word Pimp for anyone but I did think Hillary pushing it

when she had Chelsea call The View - I just don't think it was the right thing to do. I do think Shuster did owe them all an apology and found it unusual for him to say such a thing. I have always had a lot of respect for his reporting. I guess having a cable TV show lets one say things that are not scripted without thinking it through sometimes.

[unc70]

39. It seemed strange for Shuster to do this.

He has generally seemed reasonably balanced and controlled in his reporting. Chris Matthews does this type thing all the time; Tucker and some of the pundits do too.

No excuse for the comment itself. I wonder if this lack of thought and restraint might partially resulted from working while exhausted. Since Christmas, the candidates, their staffs, the reporters and pundits, have been on almost a forced march. Because MSNBC is heavily focused on politics and has relatively few people on camera, I had recently noticed that they seemed ready to drop in their tracks. They are running mostly live from 6:00am to 10:00pm, without much relief on recent weekends. Their CNN and Fox counterparts are in nearly the same state. I notice this most when the person is not "on", when you see them off to the side of a long shot. I am reminded to a winded basketball player waiting for a foul shot, slightly bent over with their hands on their knees, struggling to breathe.

I first noticed the demands on everyone early on the morning after Iowa caucused. The Morning Joe crew were transplanted from their diner in Iowa to one in New Hampshire. There too were all the reporters, pundits, and of course the candidates, dropping by for an interview or being covered on the stump. At 6:15, you see a beaming John Edwards speaking to hundreds of supporters somewhere in NH. How long can they keep this up?

The closest analog I thought of was the Tour de France; overnight the sportscasters moved from today's finish town to the one for tomorrow, ready to air their pre-race coverage. Most everyone officially supporting or sponsoring the teams caravan together an hour or two before the race, following the race route and distributing momentos and signs emblazoned with sponsor and racer logos. And last come the cyclists themselves, covered by the traveling press and camera crews on motorcycles. Repeat all this tomorrow with steeper mountains; again in the days following with a variety of challenges which first favor on competitor, later a different one.

After NH, what first seemed a sprint, was now a distance race but with little slowing of the pace. Maybe this would end after SC; if not, it surely would be finished after Super Tuesday. (I wonder how much the conventional wisdom of the reporters and analysts was shaped by their own wishful thinking, their needs and hopes, projected onto the larger story.)

But it wasn't over; it was now a marathon. "Where do we go from here?" was the issue the following morning and it was not just a figure of speech. I remember Mika lamenting it looked like they needed to start finding diners in Texas and a couple of other states I can't remember.

I don't remember Shuster previously making any inappropriate comments, certainly not sexist or racist ones. He had seemed to me generally balanced and open, much more so than Matthews or Tucker and even-more-so than Russert. Matthews makes inappropriate comments nearly every night, seems unable to interact with women without drooling, being dismissive of them, or trying to dominate them. When a strong women stands her ground and confronts him back, he usually cuts them off mid-sentence and then changes the subject, asks someone else a question, or goes to a commercial break.

Russert has his own problems with women, but what I most see with him are his attempts to assert NBC control over the MSNBC reporters. I posted previously of the MSNBC coverage after one of the debates. They all agreed Edwards had won and they mostly agreed on how well each candidate had handled various questions. After about 30 minutes, Russert joined them proclaiming Clinton the obvious winner, Obama second, noone else worth mentioning. That was that.

One morning I saw Shuster report something he had observed in Iowa that was positive about Edwards. Russert that this wasn't really the case and cut Shuster out the discussion. Shuster set there with smoke coming out of his ears, arms crossed, glaring at Russert.

In the mornings, Mika usually intervenes when Joe starts making inappropriate comments. When Matthews or Russert join them, she doesn't have enough power to restrain them. The producers speaking to them through their earpieces don't have much effect either. Obvious who is the Big Boss.

Maybe there is something unknown to me between Shuster and the Clintons that goes back to Arkansas days.

[Meldread]

37. Schuster sucks. He needs to be punished.

He needs to be publicly flogged, then nailed to a cross, set on fire, and then using the ashes from his charred remains an apology needs to be crafted from MSNBC to our Great Royal Family so that their pain can finally end. The anguish they feel must be unbelievable. We who support our Queen are a symbol of her undying outrage and heartbreak. She has been crying into her pillow the last six hours. Are there no decent people left in this world? We had to restrain our Queen from jumping out of a window when Rush called Princess Chelsea the White House dog. The inhumanity of this world is unseemly.

[Tatiana]

38. #5. n/t