Hillary looks forward to Senator Kennedy and Senator Kerry support

[GoldieAZ49]

On the news Hillary just said that it goes against the way super delegates historically have endorsed and voted for candidates. And that if Barack Obama continues to push for them to vote as their state or precinct voted she would look forward to and welcome Senator Kennedy's and Senator Kerry's support.

Let the good times roll!

[MadBadger]

1. Too bad that isnt what he is saying.

[maximusveritas]

5. Yep, what he's saying is that they should go with whoever wins the most delegates

overal from the various primaries and caucuses.

In other words, the elections should decide the winner, not these superdelegates.

[GoldieAZ49]

13. I agree, even if it is by a slim margin - but the other side will scream loud n long

but the democrat talking heads are already talking back room deals for super d's to end this early

[joshcryer]

32. Yes, he's dictating how they should vote.

As a Presidential candidate he should do no such thing, even if that's how they're likely to vote anyway.

[Little Star]

14. Well, yes he is. Look here:

Political Punch
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/the-super-deleg.html

~snip~
Obama this week warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted, "if this contest comes down to super-delegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. Those super-delegates, those party insiders would have to think long and hard how they would approach the nomination." Obama suggested "the argument we would be making to super-delegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then I think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that's going to be pretty important when it comes to the general election."

Does that mean his super-delegates in Massachusetts -- Sens. Kerry and Kennedy, Gov Patrick -- should defect to Clinton?

~snip~

[Tellurian]

29. Isn't Obama the candidate that promotes himself as being *Right, the 1st Time...

by all means, let the good times roll!

:toast:

[joshcryer]

33. Indeed, Hillary is basically reversing what he said on him. :)

It's hilarious!

[Tellurian]

35. Indeed... Alert... we need signage.. Barack's 1st....boo-boo

may cost him the nomination...

[bigtree]

2. I gotta see this quote

they're really mixing it up. Hell, they just might rival this *forum, after awhile.

[stellanoir]

3. rotsa ruck with that one

[elizm]

4. I would think most superdelegates would go along with the will of the voters in their state..

That is, if they want to get relected.

[MADem]

9. Which is why the good Senators from MA are getting a fucking EARFUL from their constituents. NT

[cali]

11. tough shit.

what an annoying whiny bunch. I have no objection whatever to my Congress Critters endorsing whoever they fucking want. I didn't vote for them to follow orders. I voted for them because I thought they could do a good job and exercise independent thought.

[MADem]

18. Yes, of course. Never QUESTION the AUTHORITIES. They are your BOSSES.

Never mind that you pay their salary and give them their jobs with your vote.

They are SUPERIOR to you, and you are the dogshit beneath their heel.

Bow DOWN to your Senators, and OBEY. NEVER let your opinion be known to them, just in case they might get.... MAD ... at you, and you'll fall out of FAVOR.

What a chickenshit attitude you have about Democracy!

Hey, I thought you put me on IGNORE--you got all pissy and said you were going to DO that last night, because you didn't like my opinion....!

[karynnj]

16. In NJ, the superdelegates that have identified what they will do it is

12 Clinton to 1 Obama. (There are 7 unknown) Obama got more that the about 8 % of vote that represents - should I badger Menendez and Corzine to shift to more adequately reflect NJ?

[MADem]

17. You have EVERY RIGHT to communicate with your elected representatives.

And if you see a disparity, you should point it out.

In fact, I URGE you to so do. Pick up the phone, write a letter, or send an email.

You know, the reason politicians aren't responsive is because not enough people fucking GRIPE when they don't like something.

[karynnj]

36. I don't have a problem with him - I have a problem with the party

for giving the super delegates this power - and putting them into this dilemma. My point is that the winning candidate getting ALL the super delegates from a state is as bad as them all picking who they personally want.

I think it would be great if many leaders ON BOTH SIDES now state that they prefer either that the super delegates NOT vote or that they all agree to vote for the one that wins the pledged count. (This assumes that they find a way to get a new fair vote at least in MI where only HRC was on the ballot.)

[reality based]

12. I don't think the electorate sees the choices in this fight in quite the stark terms

that many on this forum do. I doubt that a superdelegate's vote will be used against him or her in their own election to any significant extent.

[Bright Eyes]

6. Democracy wins again!

Or...not.

If she wants my vote in November, she has to win the nomination fairly.

[thoughtcrime1984]

7. OK, they can go to her, Obama will get the ones from the states

and districts that he wins. He will come out of it better than he is now! Of course, Ted and John would not campaign or work for Hillary, they'd still work for the candidate that they want to work for.

[ananda]

8. Right on, Hill.

What's good for the gander is good for the goose.
Or something like that. ;-))

[IndieLeft]

10. SPIN SPIN SPIN

You getting dizzy yet?

[karynnj]

15. HRC should not get ALL the MA superdelegates' votes

just the proportion of the votes she got - From the list posted here a few weeks ago of the declared MA ones, she seemed to have about half even then.

What is obvious is that country wide, Clinton has a higher % of super delegates than pledged delegates.

I would prefer that the super delegates agree to all vote not to vote.

[Little Star]

21. Obama disagrees with you. See post#14

[karynnj]

37. That's right - he doesn't own me or my opinion

I disagree with him.

[johnnydrama]

19. i won't name them all

But here are a few Clinton Super Delegates that would have to go to Obama if Hillary wants Kerry & Kennedy

Higgins - AK
Reed - AL
there's 4 from Colorado
Camhi from CT

oooh, 11 DNC members from DC, i'm pretty sure Obama will win DC

Oooh, another 5 from GA.

Uh oh, Walter Mondale, no Hillary for you.

See how this works...

[Yossariant]

23. I count 27 uncommited supers just in CA. See how this works...

[Barack_America]

20. This is an odd statement for her to make considering Obama will win more states.

Meaning that he would edge her out in Superdelegates, if they are allocated as she is suggesting.

[Yossariant]

22. Do you think that all states have an equal number of superdelegates?.

[Barack_America]

27. No. But they have the same # of Senators.

And governors. She's suggesting that both Senators should align with her because she received more votes. If that happened for every state, then Obama would have more Senator superdelegates, considering Obama has won more states.

That's what I was suggesting.

[Yossariant]

34. California has 27 uncommitted superdelegates. Not sure how many committed.

[OzarkDem]

24. Recall when Bill, recovering from his heart surgery

went out on the campaign trail to help Kerry in 2004. Then Kerry showed him how much he appreciated Bill's support. It speaks volumes about Kerry, not good.


Thinner and frailer, the Comeback Kid puts heart into Kerry's campaign


Julian Borger in Philadelphia
Tuesday October 26, 2004
The Guardian


Bill Clinton, the perennial Comeback Kid of American politics, returned from his sick bed to centre stage yesterday, proving that his ailing, quadruply-bypassed heart is still in the fight.

But it was a much thinner, frailer man who took the stage alongside John Kerry in Philadelphia's Love Park than the vigorous leader who dominated the last American decade. He had come back from the brink of political death many times, but this has been an narrow escape of the real thing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,,1336035,00.html

[beachmom]

25. That is not the full story. The truth was Bill went out on a book tour

in the spring of '04 promoting his book. This was supposed to be the time when Kerry introduced himself to the American people. Instead, Bill hogged the airwaves (gee, Bill, couldn't you have released your book at a different time?), while PRAISING Bush and his conduct of the Iraq War and the war on terror. During an election for which the big issue was national security, how persuasive was Bill in getting undecided voters to vote for Kerry when the former president was saying Bush was doing a FINE job in the war on terror? Oh, and I saw that Philly appearance. Bill spent most of the time bragging about his domestic record and presidency. In October, he tried to talk Kerry into backing several anti-gay marriage measures in some battleground states which Kerry quickly said "no, I'll never do that".

[OzarkDem]

28. And how did Kerry return the favor?

After Bill went out on the campaign trail for him?



Knife in the back, as usual. Kerry and Kennedy are "one way street" politicians. Great if you help them out but don't ask for a favor in return.

[MH1]

31. You talk about a knife in the back??? After HILLARY screwed Kerry over in 2006?

Get f---ing real.

Do we need to post the link AGAIN?

[jillan]

26. That is what I love about her - she is so quick thinking.

lol - great one Hillary :)

[TexasObserver]

30. Hillary is such a sociopath that she doesn't know what is funny and what isn't.

Typical spoiled, rich, out of touch DINO.

[wisteria]

38. And, I am sure IF she becomes the nominee she will have there support AND

I hope they assist her just as much as she assisted and helped Senator Kerry in 2004.

[wisteria]

39. And, I am sure IF she becomes the nominee she will have there support AND

I hope they assist her just as much as she assisted and helped Senator Kerry in 2004.

[wisteria]

40. And, I am sure IF she becomes the nominee she will have their support AND

I hope they assist her just as much as she assisted and helped Senator Kerry in 2004.