So Barack can win the general election. How?

[boston bean]

His base is black voters and upper class liberal democrats.
The republicans never target those demographics. They know they will never win those votes.



Hillary's base, on the other hand has women and blue collar workers.
The exact demographics that republicans target and sway to their side.



So who really has a better shot? Don't let the media do your thinking for you.

[peoli]

1. Can Hillary unite the country? HOW?

High negatives...

Bullshit paragraph #2 here.


STFU?

[End Of The Road]

35. Neither candidate can unite the country

I'm sorry, but the country is soooo divided on so many issues, it's going to take more than 4-8 years to bring us together. Let's hope the whoever is the victor can stop the atomization and reverse the trend. Frankly, I think they're both up to it.

[TeamJordan23]

2. Obama also has males and Independents....Hillary does not have Indep. support. nm

[Kittycat]

14. And the youth vote... And... he's breaking in on her lead in women.

the results coming out of Nebraska, Washington, et al will be telling.

[maddiejoan]

3. oh stop that

you make too much sense.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

10. Except for the Fact You Have to Ask Yourself Why McCain Folks Want Clinton to Win

Perhaps because Obama is a threat to them for the very constituency you seem is aligned with Clinton.

[maddiejoan]

20. Your premise is flawed

The MSM and the GOP are giving Obama a free pass to the nomination.

Once he's in they will tear into him like my cat tears into my futon.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

26. Oh........They'll Try ........

........ but it'll backfire because he has run a campaign they just don't know how to deal with.

Clinton's campaign strategies are not unlike the GOPs......... take no prisioners.

It's worked in the past, but there is a reason Obama appeals to people of both parties and that approach is not the reason why.

[maddiejoan]

37. The GOP will

rip Obama into little itty bitty pieces and it will be the most disheartening thing that has ever happened to us.
By the time they are done, anyone who still has hope for change is going to be broken.

Even if he manages to get elected, he will become our new Jimmy Carter. A Brilliant and hope filled man who would have been a fine President if allowed.

This is why they want him. Desperately.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

41. Yawn

Nonsense.

Jimmy Carter had the moral courage to recognize that, while terrible, the response to the hostage takeover of our embassy in Iran was not to spend $450 billion on a war costing thousands of lives.

If that's the choice we have to make, I'll take Carter and Obama.

[maddiejoan]

43. Fine

Be ready for Jeb Bush in 2012 then.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

44. Your Response is the Sum Total of the Clinton Campaign

Fear.

Which suggests she is no different than the GOP.

No thanks.

[maddiejoan]

49. and your's

is suggestive of Obama's campaign.

Hope for Hope's sake with little else to go on.

But listen to your MSM masters --pull the lever for Obama.

You'll need Hillary (and her supporters) in your support group to pick up the pieces and carry on in strength, while you all stare slack jawed in disbelief as the GOP and the MSM join forces to crush him into dust.

Don't worry -- we'll all help you out for the sake of the Party.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

55. Live in Fear

........ I gave that up decades ago.

PS - I have no problem with Obama making Hillary a Secretary of Defense. God knows we should keep her away from Justice.

[maddiejoan]

57. Live in denial

I gave THAT up years ago.

You seem to think Obama's positive press will continue forever.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

59. Oh.........He's Done Pretty Well Against the Clinton War Machine

LOL.

[maddiejoan]

60. Because the MSM

wants him to.

They've given him a ride in a golden chariot and he STILL can't Hillary out of his way.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

61. Really?

Pick up a paper......... maybe one outside of gosh....... say ......... New York.

[maddiejoan]

63. I read news from all over the world.

ZOMG! I HAZ INTERNETZ NOW

[griffi94]

62. yep

should obama win the white house his flameout will be truly spectacular....and we'll get to say hello to jeb bush in 2012...woo hoo

[Kahuna]

69. Like the Clintons haven't tried to rip Obama to shreds... He handled

them just fine. I remember the pundits crowing, 'Bill Clinton is inside Obama's head...,' when it was the other way around. JESSE JACKSON!!!! :rofl:

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. And you believe that?

They can't WAIT to get the old time tested slime machine out for Barack. They fear Hillary and Obama is an easy mark for them. Oh so easy.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

24. Fear Hillary?

They created her.

[in_cog_ni_to]

53. Obama doesn't have a chance in hell against the RW slime machine.

It's best you wrap your brain around that now...before you're REALLY disappointed in November.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

56. Wow........

............and you've decided whose won the election before it's even happened.

Why does that sound familiar.

[in_cog_ni_to]

70. If Obama is the nominee, we get another 8 freakin' years of repuke rule.

GUARANTEED.

[557188]

4. Pay attention to Ohio

Hillary is our strongest candidate to win this state.

[VolcanoJen]

36. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee...

... Ohio goes Republican again.

Seriously. Ever been to Cincinnati?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

5. OH NONSENSE

His base is what? Give me a break.

Who exactly does John McCann want to run against? Hillary Clinton for the exact reason you give.

There biggest fear is to run against Obama who has broad appeal.

[splat]

27. Broad appeal? Just his name is an invitation to make him the enemy

Versus warrior McCain, he's part of the problem.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

30. McCain War Position is the Problem

........ but with Clinton in the race, they'll make her the problem........... not him or his positions.

And good grief....... her positions are not that different from his!

[splat]

45. The GOP attack will not be about positions but about who he is

And about how little experience he has. His resume is largely the Illinois state legislature. We need somebody McCain's own weight.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

54. Gag

The LAST thing we need is his war experience and his weight is only outnumbered by his age.

[Exultant Democracy]

6. Dem core voters will still vote Dem, he will win the GE like he will win the primary, more votes.

[MADem]

7. All those RED states are somehow going to miraculously ignore

McCain-Romney or McCain-Huckabee COMPLETELY, don't you see...and for the first time EVER, they are going to have an "epiphany"

:rofl:

and vote for OBAMA. Because he says so.

OR....

He'll have his ass handed to him in the general, because there aren't any CAUCUSES in the general.

[Red Zelda]

8. I'll be frank...

Hillary riles the right like one else. They will turn out in droves to bury her, and they should. She is yesterday, a carpetbagger who moved to NY just to run and get in this position. She will unearth all the anti-Bill hate we lived through in the '90s.
Barak, meanwhile, is emblematic of a new day. Bush fatigue will lead some repukes to support him, especially in the face of a McInsane nomination.
I trash Billary a lot, but I voted for Bill twice. I adore Gore. I supported Edwards. But Obama is our hope.

[boston bean]

12. Hillary is the only candidate bringing votes from the other side, women republicans 20%.

[Blue State Bandit]

29. 20% of women Republicans...... you mean like.....

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can have her!

[K Gardner]

15. Exactly. She will not carry over half of her own party, much less have any

crossover voters or independents. Not to mention, we will see the dawn of a New Age of Republican Majorities in both Houses if Clinton, god forbid, were ever to become President. What a freakin nightmare.

[RL3AO]

9. Because so many independents will vote Clinton over McCain.

Yeah right.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

13. Laughing So Hard

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[calico1]

48. A lot of people laughed really hard when

she moved to NY State and ran for the Senate. Against the local Long Island boy? What was she thinking? And now she is a very well liked NY senator. Go figure.....

[fightthegoodfightnow]

52. Not Me

She runs a sharp campaign and is a real pro at it. No doubt about it.....until recently.

I just am getting tired of walking in BS and smiling.

She lost me completely when she became Billary rather than Hillary two weeks ago.

The STUPIDEST thing she EVER did.

[Thrill]

11. So you think those Clinton Democratic voters are going to vote for McCain?

Get real. The base changes when the GE starts. They'll go to the nominee. There really isn't much policy difference between the two

[boston bean]

16. No, I think her base is better for the GE and Obama's indies will go to McCain when given the chance

[Thrill]

32. This still isn't a strong argument Because basically her base is his base

Its the Democratic Base. The only thing is he will add a significant amount of Independents. When McCain's shit is called to the carpet. The choice will be clear For Independents.

[griffi94]

64. not to mention

moderates and conservative dems.

[revolve]

17. More Electoral College Votes

I Thought It Was Really Simple How Someone Won The "GE"?

[CoffeeCat]

18. At least Barack Obama has the Dems in his corner...

The Dems will overwhelmingly unite around Obama.

The latest polling I saw, showed that 19 percent of Democrats would vote
against Hillary Clinton, and for someone else. She doesn't even have the
full support of her own party. Against McCain, that would be a disaster.

Hillary can't pick off Independents like Obama. Obama appeals to Independents, and many have
caucused and voted for him in our Dem primary.

Furthermore, Obama has some support from disenfranchised Republicans
who do not like the war and do not like Bush. No way can Hillary
appeal to any Republicans.

Also, Obama is fueling massive turnout in our Dem primary. He can
surely take credit for a good portion for the unprecedented turnout
in these primaries. He will take that with him, into the GE.
The Republicans, have not really increased their turnout.

I'm certainly not letting the media do my thinking for me. I've
never heard the media suggesting that Obama has a better shot.
It's barely discussed.

However, clearly--Clinton is so polarizing and so hated. She would galvanize
the Republicans to vote against her. Hillary would increase Republican
turnout against the Dems. Obama would pick up some of that support.

Hands down...Obama is more electable.

[thevoiceofreason]

19. And the thousands of independents and

Dare I say it, republicans, who are supporting him.

He's on message to the country, not some demographic group.

[cali]

22. really? you need help with this? how lame.

here's a clue for you: Pew and Gallup all show dems voting overwhelmingly for whoever is the nominee. Obama may lose some latino vote, but he's not going to bleed dems to McCain, anymore than Hillary is. And she may bleed some male voters, but the dems will vote for a dem. And even better, Obama attracts indies and disaffected repubs.

Unlike YOU, I don't watch any TV or listen to trasy radio. So of course I don't let the media think for me.

[tekisui]

23. Um....His core in the General will be Democrats?

plus Indys.

[FARAFIELD]

25. I cant believe you asked that

First off, i think any political observer would say that if you woke up the morning after the General and said a DEM won with 54% of the vote they would say its OBAMA, if my mom who is 72 and hasnt voted for a DEM since RFK can go out in the snow in Idaho and caucus for him then there is something there. Second of all, he WONT lose (neither will Hillary) a single state that Kerry won. Which means you only have to win one other state (even winning New Mexico and Iowa- Gore states in 2000 wont put either over) so most likely Colorado or OHIO (possibly MO) Maybe Nevada and Floridas a lost cause I believe that have rigged that state. So there is your General Stategy for OBAMA. And I know if Hillary is nominated she could still win the above New Mexico/IOWA AND ARKANSAS and STILL NEED another state. The election will come down to Colorado and and OHIO for a win, with the dems campaigning in FLORIDA, ARK (if hillary) MO, IOWA, NEW MEXICO, and OHIO. The election strategy is exactly the same (minus ARK if OBAMA is the nominee). No finesse, no spin thats it. Pretty much like Kerry went for gore states (plus Bush conceded New Hampshire) and OHIO. The Popular Vote total will be higher (because he will win red state independents--ironic), but they both have the same strategy. Try if you can to punch a whole in the strategy, but its been set for quite a while now.

[griffi94]

65. on the other hand

my grandparents who have been dems since FDR will vote for mccain over obama

[Yael]

28. You are ignoring the group that will vote BO but not HRC

Independents.

[boston bean]

31. Indies will split for McCain and Obama. nt

[returnable]

33. Excellent. Another "A Dem can't carry blue collar workers" meme. How very GOP.

:eyes:

[boston bean]

39. I said Hillary could carry them. nt

[returnable]

42. Implying Obama can't. And if/when he's our nominee, expect to see that Talking Point from the GOP.

Congrats on feeding the machine.

Nevermind the fact that your assertion has absolutely no basis in fact. But that's OK.

[Radical Activist]

34. A 30% increase in black voter turn out

helps in several swing states and makes at least a couple of Southern states competitive.

And the trend so far is independents supporting Obama so that indicates he has the better chance of winning them in November.

[QC]

38. Oprah says he can, and that's good enough for me! n/t

[slick8790]

40. Hmm. Are you being thick or just snarky?

These are their bases in the primaries. In the GE, they're all Democrats. GE polls vs. McCain have shown Obama pulling close to 3/4 of the black vote, half the white vote, and a majority of independents. That's a winning coalition right there.

[boston bean]

46. not when all those little states that have electoral college votes decide

they aren't gonna vote for him.

He will never win SD, ND, KS, SC, GA.

[RL3AO]

47. And Clinton will?

[boston bean]

50. Now we're back to who has a stronger base. I happen to think Hillary does.

She isn't depending on Indies, which will go to McCain.

She has the democratic base, plus blue collar workers and republican women as well as democratic women.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

58. I Have No Doubts that Clinton Eats Red Meat

You state that Clinton isn't depending on indies and yet you think she's going to win?

Right.

Obama is going to win because he has the base and the indies.

[FrenchieCat]

51. As those who don't have the time to look at the candidates really close up

and so they pick the "safe" bet, Hillary, via the Clinton name recognition.....they soon will understand that Hillary was the corporate candidate, and Obama was the candidate of the people.

They will vote for Obama gladly during the General Election.

Hillary's base is only hers via default.

[paulk]

66. yeah, the "corporate" candidate

Do you really think that resonates with anyone outside of the far left? That might work in a primary, but it's a joke in the general.

I hope to god this kind of reasoning is not what's driving the Obama campaign.

[goldcanyonaz]

71. Scary, huh?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

67. Bravo

Well said.

[Kahuna]

68. If blacks were the only ones voting for him and rich whites, he wouldn't be in the LEAD...

Afterall, that demographic is hardly the majority of voters. Nice try though.

[zulchzulu]

72. Obama has plenty of people supporting him across all demographics

To imply that Obama's support is "black voters and upper class liberal democrats" is Hillaryworld spin.

He has support from all age groups and the full demographic bandwidth. He also has support of moderates and Independents.

How does Obama win the GE against McCain? Imagine a 20-ton weight around McCain's neck with his unending support of the Iraq War. Obama will link the war to how much money has been squandered, how much lives have been lost and how long McCain wants to stay there. He can freely do it and say he voted for funding (rightfully) to support the troops in harm's way and support veterans. McCain will look like a tired, old sad story that will make the Bob Dole landslide and perhaps the Goldwater landslide look like kid's play.

What would Hillary do? Mobilize the Repug base like no other and she couldn't fight against McCain on the war. Add that with her nomination, MANY democrats will not even vote for her. She's starting with a 48% unlikeable perception off the block. That is political suicide for the Democratic Party who would also have to deal with the negative coat tails her nomination would bring.

We need to WIN the White House and not appease the Clintons on their journey to make it all about themselves at our expense.