Sanity about the disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida Voters!

[ray of light]

1awake at Feb-09-08 06:23 PM

34. Maybe I'm alone on this,

But I see it this way... If the Florida and Michigan votes are counted as is, or anything based upon it, not only would this directly disenfranchise the voters, but in my opinion would be a form of cheating delegitimizing whoever benefited from it. It's a completely messed up situation, but you don't solve it by lying, changing the rules on people after the fact, or by selecting rather than electing.

Allow Florida and Michigan voters to vote again or caucus, or they shouldn't count the travesty we call a vote in those places at all. The last thing I want is Hillary or Obama going up against a repub with huge questions of legitimacy.

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psquare's post--not enough posts to be able to put his petition at the top. So please check out the petition.

psquare Sat Feb-09-08 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #34
40. We really need some sanity in this whole issue

I'd love to start a thread on this but I don't have enough posts. The whole issue here is that Clinton and Obama will not be able to get the 2025 delegates through the primaries and caucus alone. They will need the Superdelegates as well. This is, simply, not very democratic.

To address this I have started an online petition to have the DNC amend the convention rules to assure that sufficient Superdelegates are bound to the winner of a majority of Pledged Delegates (1627 if MI and FL aren't added). Please visit the petition site, read, and if you agree, please sign the petition.

Together we can bring some sanity to this process!

http://www.petitiononline.com/dem2008/petition.html

[ray of light]

1. Other thread called "Dean's Mess" is right! TWO STATES.

If some people think it's so fair then maybe they liked that Florida and Ohio disenfranchised their voters in 2000 and 2004.

Maybe they're proud that the democratic party is willing to deligitimize this election.

[papau]

2. the democratic party has deligitimize this election by not counting the current Mich/FL results

The redo with caucus nonsense is Obama wanting to use the college kids that can show up at anytime for him.

Count the total nationwide votes and get agreenent by O and H to conceed to whoever has the most before the convention. Obama as reported yesterday says he believes total votes should determine the outcome - but I bet anyone that "win at any cost" Obama will back off that idea if he doesn't have the total popular vote.

Folks - older folks - will not switch from Hillary to McCain - but they sure as hell will sit out this election if FL and Mich are not counted - a "Use total popular vote" compromise seems to get everyones OK in my circle - but it is either incl Mich. and Florida as is now - or do the popular vote agreement - or sit out the election. Old folks just do not seem that afraid of a McCain win - no matter how stupid I tell them that is.

[ray of light]

4. Leave the question of candidates out of this. Back when all this was going...

people thought Gore might jump in the race. So it actually isn't about who wants the delegates. Most people will vote for the nominee IF we get to have a fair election or caucus. But as soon as names, "Obama or Hillary" get thrown into the mix, all of a sudden people think it's ok that Michigan and Florida got screwed with.

[ray of light]

3. kick--check out the petition for psquare!

[my3boyz]

5. They should let them vote again. If they don't want to do that then tell them to SHUT UP! nt