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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:03 PM
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Why is Hillary getting killed in the most DLC states?
Based on blogosphere folklore you would think the states with the most conservative Democrats would be her strongholds. In fact that opposite is true. She's been killed in North Dakota, Kansas, Idaho, Utah, and today in the home of the ultimate "DINO" himself, Nebraska. It isn't even close in any of these states. She also loses conservative states like Georgia, Alabama, and Louisiana but a special dynamic (an overwhelming majority of voters voting for someone of their color) is in play in those states. Are the folks in these states too dumb to recognize how much closer the "centrist" Hillary Clinton is to their views than "progressive" Barack Obama? Or do they recognize something people like Paul Krugman see?
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:04 PM
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1. Obama's the progressive candidate?
:shrug:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:07 PM
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5. "Progressive" enough for the same folks who gave us Ben Nelson
;)

Hillary's strongholds are the most progressive states. States like California, Massachusetts, and New Jersey.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:08 PM
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6. Those states were barely 'strongholds'. Obama closed the gap pretty well considering time limits
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:09 PM
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8. Which states does Hillary do best in? The most progressive states
Hillary didn't dominate anywhere but she does best in the most progressive states. She doesn't have an ideological bloc lining up behind her like Obama does with the DLC breed of Democrats.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:06 PM
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2. Caucuses....
It takes a bit of fervor and passion to head off to a caucus and spend a good chunk of time...

I think more of the people who are supporting Obama are able to hit the caucuses...

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:08 PM
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7. He has the bigger budget if blogosphere folklore were true...
The same folks who gave us Ben Nelson and folks like him would logically go to Hillary. The blogosphere folklore holds that Hillary is cut from the same cloth as the Nelsons of the world.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:07 PM
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3. I think its the caucus keeps many ordinary democrats away
look at Washington state. Polls showed 5% difference. Caucus results are 30% different.
I don't know if thats good or bad.
If it drives the ordinary democrats away in the GE, bad.
If it brings more new dems without driving away old dems, good.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:07 PM
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4. Clinton is winning red states that can flip to our side
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:21 PM
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9. How did those states go in the 2004 General Election?
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:25 PM
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10. Obama Does Better When People Actually Get To See Him
in person.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:26 PM
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11. There is no correlation
He visited progressive states and lost them.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:31 PM
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13. Those states, CA, NY etc. Are Too Big
for a representable number of people to see him. Hillary wins in those places because they know her better.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:30 PM
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12. THAT'S EASY.....
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:57 PM by LaPera
Clinton does have many negatives the media has exploited to the max.

But now the republicans smell blood so now Clinton has Rush Limbaugh Coulter, etc. saying she's more right-wing McCain....progressive Dems actually believe it. It's obvious who the republicans would rather face, Obama.

Obama is picking up more than eight out of ten African-American voters, many who never voted before.
However, the real picture....

KANSAS; Has 1,561,341 registered voters, Obama won with a total of 27,172 votes hardly the picture what the general election will be like.

NEBRASKA: has 1,232,741 registered voters, Obama received 22,343 total vote, again not a great picture of what the general election will bring.

From the liberal progressive Mark Crispin Miller <mark.miller@nyu.edu>

It's ironic (not to say bizarre) that Barack Obama strikes so many people as
"progressive." First of all, because he's simply not progressive; and, secondly,
because the press has so far treated him much as it treated Ronald Reagan
back in 1980 (and, by and large, forever after): i.e., apolitically, uncritically,
with lots of emphasis on his success as a "communicator" and almost nothing
on his actual positions, or the interests back of him.

If the media knocked off the Reagan treatment of Obama, more of us might
have a clearer sense of where he's really coming from. That he (too) belongs to
Wall Street, and is in the pocket of a nuclear power company called Exelon
(and lies about it), and has named Zbigniew Brzezinski as his top foreign policy
adviser, and stumped for Lieberman, are just a few examples of his true character,
politically speaking. If this sort of thing got proper coverage, we would all be
better off.

It is, of course, a great thing that Obama has inspired so many people to get into
politics. Those people should, however, know exactly who it is they're fighting
for, and what "change" he is likely to create.

MCM

Just look at what the same republican media did to a real progressive John Edwards, (or Dennis Kucinich) only in reverse.

There is no doubt in this very racist country that the republicans would rather face an African American than a woman....Just listen to Limbaugh whom all progressive hate. Look how many Dems didn't vote, all the republicans and many moderates will vote republican instead....I know many democrats and I hear it all the time have deep racism and won't vote for an an African American and if the republicans are successful in labeling the ultra-right McCain a moderate (like they did Bush) then many Dems will vote for McCain as an excuse once the republican media machine goes into action.

The proof just look at every state that either has won, like Kansas - 1,561,341 registered voters Obama won today with a total of 27,172 votes it's the same everywhere in the country and sure to increase.

Obama won Alsaka with a total of 302 votes...302 votes that's ALL the votes that were cast for him and he won, hardly an indicator of what the general election will bring.

This is a very hidden, yet in many way an overtly racist country and racist will come out of the woodwork to vote against an African-American for President....but people are caught up in the Super Bowl Obama or Hillary hype like it's a big game and refuse or can't deal with the reality.

The republicans & their media have your number!





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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:34 PM
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14. Because we know that Obama has the best chance of winning in the Midwest in the GE n/t
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