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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:08 PM
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Obama fans shouldn't celebrate quite yet...
Although Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton 857 to 841 in regular delegates, super delegates support Clinton by nearly a two-to-one margin as of 2/9/08. (223 for Clinton and 125 for Obama)
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
MSNBC
updated 4:58 a.m. CT, Thurs., April. 26, 2007

WASHINGTON - It’s called the Democratic Party, but one aspect of the party’s nominating process is at odds with grass-roots democracy.

Voters don’t choose the 842 unpledged “super-delegates” who comprise nearly 40 percent of the number of delegates needed to clinch the Democratic nomination.

The category includes Democratic governors and members of Congress, former presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, former vice president Al Gore, retired congressional leaders such as Dick Gephardt, and all Democratic National Committee members, some of whom are appointed by party chairman Howard Dean. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18277678/

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kevin881 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:10 PM
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1. LMAO, thats likely to be totally meaningless. -nt
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:10 PM
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2. Tonight is a night for some celebrating
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:11 PM
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awesome pic
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:10 PM
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3. we'll see if they dare to go against the people's choice . . .
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:14 PM
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9. If they did the Party would divide into two parties. They won't dare try that
That would be the equivalent of the Supreme Court stepping in and taking it away from Obama and giving it to Hillary. Dems have had enough of that crap.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:16 PM
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13. then it would be pitchforks and torches time.
hopefully.
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:22 PM
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17. Yeah, that would be the end.
I heard Donna Brazile promise to quit the Dems if the superdelagates go against the popular vote.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:14 PM
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10. Exactly. Especially since most are elected officials - who I'm sure want to be re-elected...
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:11 PM
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4. OK, Debbie Downer
Obama won the night.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:11 PM
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5. you must worship the new messiah nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:59 AM
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24. You must get a new
schtick.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:11 PM
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6. I hope all members of the Democratic Party are rooting for the voters to determine
the candidate. If the super-delegates determine the nominee, when the electorate has already spoken - even if by a narrow margin, then that would be a travesty. Whoever gets the most delegates from the states - Clinton or Obama - should be the party's nominee.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:12 PM
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7. Those will flip.
It's going to be hard for them to vote against the people.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:20 PM
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15. "Those will flip."
Willingly or by pressure from Dean and the Party to prevent a catastrophy in the convention, I agree.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:13 PM
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8. The 300 or so superdelegates who haven't committed are waiting to see which way the wind is blowing
And if it's blowing for Obama, they'll sail that way.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:15 PM
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11. Sorry you're having a bad night.
:-(
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:23 PM
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18. LOL all in a days work!
thanks for the sentiment, VolcanoJen... with three articles already on greatest page, I can't win them all... I expected a good bashing on this OP.
PARTY ON OBAMA SUPPORTERS! but it's not over until its over.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:14 PM
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28. here's an OP you might enjoy... warning: Obama fans shouldn't take this too seriously
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:15 PM
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12. IF Obama wins the peoples vote, and the super delegates flip the nomination to HRC then the Dems
will lose a large number of young ideological voters, and a fair number of older Dems and Independents will likely be turned off as well.

The back room deals and powerful party types having votes that trump the peoples votes (each super delegate gets a vote, how many people make up a single regular delegates vote?) It somehow does not seem democratic to me.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:19 PM
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14. Ho hum. If they know what's good for them they will do the right thing.
and jump ship to Obama.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:21 PM
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16. If they go against the peoples choice - either way - they kill the party
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 11:04 PM
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19. the "peoples choice" isn't clear... it's a VERY close race...
796 Insiders Could Decide the Democratic Nominee

By Matthew Mosk and Paul Kane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, February 10, 2008; Page A01

For months, Patsy Arceneaux sat on the fence as key aides to the presidential campaigns of Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama made gentle but persistent inquiries. Ann Lewis, a close Clinton adviser, called weekly. The 2004 Democratic nominee, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), called, urging her to jump behind Obama.

They all wanted to know the same thing: how she planned to vote in her role as a superdelegate at this summer's national convention...

Though Clinton and Obama have pursued the support of superdelegates for a year, the courtships have intensified in recent weeks as it has become clear that the two are locked in a virtual dead heat for delegate support. Party insiders say this could be the first campaign in more than two decades that reaches the national convention in August without a clear nominee, making the votes of superdelegates -- a group made up of current and former top elected officials and Democratic National Committee (DNC) members from around the nation -- potentially decisive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/09/AR2008020902703.html?hpid=topnews
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:55 AM
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21. I know. That's why I said either way.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 12:56 AM by Political Heretic
Yes, conventional wisdom is that Clinton has more influence with Superdelegates. But if Clinton won more general delegates and then superdelegates all went for Obama, that would be a sick travesty worthy of breaking out the torches and pitchforks and taking to the streets.

Yes, I am an extremist when it comes to the will of the people.

It's not the right nor the place of some "council of elders" (thank you Rachel) to decide against the people's wishes - even if they are "wrong."
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 11:05 PM
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20. WTF is wrong with you. Superdelegates will chose the pledged delegate leader. Jesus Christ.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:56 AM
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22. Then explain to me why have superdelegates at all?
What is their purpose other than to provide a buffer against the "crazy" will of the people?

If all they do is vote the way of the pledged delegates, then why have them at all?
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:20 AM
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27. Jesus Christ is a superdelegate? I knew He was a dem, but never thought of that angle.
Where the hell was he in 2000?
In the freakin' desert?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:58 AM
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23. I'm just Happy that Obama
is showing such strength in all these states..I'm not celebrating until he and Michelle are at the Inaugeral Ball with all the People!
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:01 AM
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25. What do you think will happen if the People choose Obama...
And the politicians ignore them and give it to Clinton?

Seriously... the uprise would be catastrophic.

You'd see riots in the streets. The dem party would be destroyed.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:15 AM
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26. Hillary backers should get used to that sound


That sound is... inevitability.

GOBAMA!
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