OK, let's say Obama gets the nomination and then loses to McCain in a landslide

[Herman Munster]

What kind of recriminations will there be in the party? Who gets the blame and what happens in 2012? Is this basically the end of the netroots and liberal bloggers and give the DLC a resurgence?

[keep_it_real]

1. Bull! Shit!

[ORDagnabbit]

2. oh I dont know what happens if Clinton gets the nomination and then loses to Hucklberry

in a landslide?

[ingac70]

3. more DLC B.S.. n/t.

[DesertFlower]

4. bite your tongue.

:)

[joshcryer]

5. The caucus system will probably be looked at very carefully.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

6. If the first thing happens the second thing happens. Suspicion of novelty candidates forever more

which there should have been all along.

[Colobo]

Dude, what if Hillary is nominated and loses to McCain?

[tammywammy]

7. And let's say monkey fly out my butt

:shrug:

[NoodleyAppendage]

8. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Obama beats McCain in the polls...how does your girl fare?

I'll answer for you because it's likely that your head is up your ass. She gets her ass kicked by McCain in just about every poll. So, your question would be most applicable if you phrased it as "OK, let's say Hillary gets the nomination and then loses to McCain in a landslide."

J

[BlackVelvet04]

23. You and your stupid fucking polls......

the republicans will just pat him on the back, say he's a nice guy and hand him the election, right? None of those republicans were pulling an old Atwater and skewing the Dems primary results, eh?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

48. Obama has rec'd only positive press - his numbers will fall when that changes.

THAT'S what worries me. Hillary & Bill have been beat up for the last several months and she's doing ok. McCain has been receiving positive press also. They aren't going to keep on getting good press.

[Vincardog]

9. lets say Obama gets th nomination and leads democrats to landslide victories in both the House and

the Senate. We elect progressives and throw the DLC out with the rest of the rePIGlickers.

[alteredstate]

19. I'm with you!

:toast:

[scheming daemons]

10. Your post is an implicit acceptance that you KNOW Obama is going to win....

....the tide has turned.

[Jane Austin]

11. Borrow trouble much? n/t

[JimGinPA]

12. Of the two...

Hillary is way more likely to lose. Period.

[BlackVelvet04]

13. A lot of the blame will go to leaders like Kennedy and Kerry.

Personally, I think that if Obama is the nominee and goes down in flames to McCain the Democratic party deserves to lose for being so damn ignorant. And if that happens I'm done.

[Pirate Smile]

14. It won't happen.

[book_worm]

15. What will happen if HRC gets the nomination and then loses to McCain in a landslide?

will it vindicate the netroots and liberal bloggers?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

22. evidence so far suggests that's unlikely

[Alexander]

26. What evidence? All the polls that show her behind?

You have no evidence, just more bullshit.

[onenote]

51. what evidence shows a mccain landslide over obama is likely?

Nice double standard.

[Quixote1818]

16. Thats what your hoping for isn't it?

Your pride is so deluded that you hope Obama loses and we get another nut for a president just so you can say: "See I told you so".

[returnable]

17. Yawn. Try building your candidate up instead of tearing another one down.

It's sad that you are so anxious to see a Democrat to fail.

[hill08]

18. there will be no black candidate for hundreds of years

[dionysus]

32. BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

have a troll snack freepre!!!!

want 23's sheets?

[abburdlen]

20. who gets the blame?

Diebold.

[Thrill]

Obama has already brought in a ton of new Democratic Voters

It will be a long time before Repukes win anything

[HughMoran]

21. All I can say is, he better win

If he doesn't win, the shit is going to hit the fan in a major way.

[Alexander]

24. It won't happen. Blue-collar voters do not like the DLC at all.

As we've seen tonight, they do like Obama.

[Orangepeel]

25. Same thing that would happen if Clinton gets the nomination and then loses in a landslide

People who wanted the other choice will bitch and moan and the country will be fucked.

[Critters2]

27. Maybe the party will start nominating progressives for a change.

That would be a nice change of pace.

[KaryninMiami]

28. We all leave. We all chip in and by a bunch of land in Costa Rica or Mexico or wherever--

and we pack up and get the hell out of here and start a big, giant Progressive community. Think of it- a huge exodus of millions of us who finally get to the point of saying "Fuck it" - we're done fighting these fascists. Enough is enough.

Trust me, 8 years of McCain a nightmare which will be a continuation of the Dark Ages, is not something I particularly relish- I assume that's the same for almost everyone here too.

[beezlebum]

38. and then

the fascists will invade our country, blow us up, and steal our resources as our values will be considered a threat their "way of life."

[frogcycle]

29. if that happens, and i think it could

it will not just be the end of the dem party

leaving the cabal in control of the executive branch another four years will finish the country. They have gone so far in destroying every agency, breaking laws, deregulating or just not enforcing, that even with some semblance of oversight, they will easily finish it off in another four years. A McCain victory means the same shit continues. With all the hoorah over torture and mccain being on the right side of that, he still will be on the wrong side of a bunch of stuff. And probably not even aware of what is going on most of the time.

There will be no need for a dem party after that. Rove's dream of 100 years of neocon rule will come to pass. Might not last 100 years, but it will take some serious violence - not elections - to change it.

[Thrill]

33. If Democrats stick together it won't happen. The Repukes want you to believe

they have more voters. But the truth is there are more Democrats in this country. GOTV

[mth44sc]

30. me - I'm thinkin'

Obama will beat McCain in a landslide...

[karlrschneider]

31. Oh, didn't you hear? You're not allowed to speculate on probabilities.

Conventional DU "wisdom" is that Obama can easily defeat McCain who only has the support of 50% of American voters by way of party affiliation plus unknown numbers of others including Democrats who aren't ready to elect a black president. But we can't mention that because it's racist.
:grr:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

34. What about certainties? And you're right of course

[karlrschneider]

42. Nice quick edit! :-)

thanks

[Mz Pip]

35. For speculations sake

Let's say he doesn't.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[DesEtoiles]

36. and let's say that monkeys fly out of your ass...

[NJSecularist]

37. What do you mean, the end of the netroots?

The netroots era just started. The Netroots surely didn't get John Kerry the nomination.

[still_one]

39. Herman what happens if Obama gets the nomination, and wins by a landslide against McCain?

What happens if Hillary gets the nomination and loses by a landslide to McCain

How many more hypothecticals do you think we can add, which have no basis

[Proud2BAmurkin]

41. He'll give away the store to Repukes. But he'll never have that chance.

[still_one]

44. come on p2ba, the only purpose of the GD:Primaries forum is to piss each other off

and you know it. No one is going to convience anyone else to vote for their candidate

[Zorra]

40. Then Dems will have once again snatched defeat from the jaws of

certain victory.

But I'd say the same if Hillary got the nom and lost to Grampa Alzheimer.

One-quarter of the Dem party will join the Green Party, and the Democratic Party will be toast.

Corporations 10, People 0.

World series swept in four.

[kentuck]

43. McCain could not even beat Barney Fife in a "landslide"...

...and he's dead.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

45. McCain is toast.

All it takes is an ad with him singing "Bomb bomb bomb Iran" with a mushroom cloud, and another with him hugging GWB and cutting birthday cake while New Orleans drowned to get the message across to the American people. As for the debates all Obama, or Clinton if she's the nominee, has to do is get him angry one time, enough to say something stupid.

Seriously, whichever one is the nominee, we've got it in the bag. So long as the Democratic party is smart enough, for once, to play hardball. John McCain simply does not have enough control over his emotions to be a credible candidate. Trust me, I live in Arizona, and his temper is legendary.

[OzarkDem]

46. That appears to be the GOP strategy

[Sapphocrat]

47. No recriminations from me.

At least not on DU, as I won't stick around to do it. As I've said before, if Obama wins the nom, his most rabid supporters will be grinding our faces in the dirt until they strip the flesh from our bones like bark off a tree -- and only after what's left resembles raw hamburger will they start rubbing the salt in.

(No, not all Obama supporters. But yes, that's exactly the behavior I expect from the BAM types that have turned the concept of "civil discourse" into a complete joke.)

DU will be worse than anything we've seen yet. That's when I'll give up my tiny foothold here, and leave the whole mess to them.

I can't speak for any liberal blogger but myself, so: I may decide to stop blogging on politics, because hardly anybody really wants to read about or discuss issues anymore. It's a Britney Spears/American Idol society, and that extends to what now passes for "politics." This will be a painful separation for me, but ultimately the best thing I could do for myself, as I'll end up pouring my energy into gay-rights issues, mostly on the local and state levels. That's probably what I should have been doing all along, but I had this stupid idea that I could help effect change -- the right kind of change -- on a broader scale. Truth is, there's really no room for me in this mythical "big tent" everyone talks about ( where gays don't count because there "just aren't that many" of us, and where everyone over 45 is past it and needs to FOAD so the new generation -- which knows everything -- can take over :eyes: ). Better I should stay where I do belong, and stick with a cause I understand.

I also expect my blood pressure will go down if I stop paying attention to national politics as much as possible, and DU altogether.

(Mind you, that doesn't mean I won't SCREAM at the TV "I TOLD THEM SO!" every time I see President McCain on TV.)

As far as the rest of your question, Bill's wins in '92 and '96 only galvanized a badly-crippled GOP -- and look what we got when we let our guard down: Bush II.

If Hillary gets the nom...? Well, everyone's telling me that's not going to happen, and that wasn't the question anyway.

[DiamondJay]

49. then the party is fucked up the ass

as are the demographics who got him the nomination. we will also be out of a 2012 nominee too, and Hillary will be older, Obama a loser, and its not a risk worth taking. the party will go DLC again. But also this is not a likely scenario. we will not lose in a landslide this year if we lose. And we will not lose. we will win.

[NoPasaran]

50. Let's just say McCain is going down!

Hillary or Obama, either will beat him like a rented mule!

[Vinca]

52. OK, let's say Clinton gets the nomination and then loses to McCain

in a landslide . . . (which, given the animosity on the right for her, is more likely than not).

[zulchzulu]

53. Let's say Hillary gets the nomination, loses the White House, helps lose the Congress...

...alienates the Democratic Party so many leave in droves, gets McCain in the White House and then whines that it's unfair because she's a girl...

:boring:

[chascarrillo]

54. OK, let's say someone writes a flamebait topic and then doesn't respond to any of the replies.

:eyes: