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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:52 AM
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Now, This Could Be Completely Understandable...

Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., wipes her eye as she listens to a disabled U.S. veteran in the audience tell his story during a campaign stop at The City of Lewiston Memorial Armory in Lewiston, Maine., Saturday, Feb. 9, 2008. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

Not knowing what the veteran said to her, I'm not going to judge her here. But in case I'm incorrect, this is the third time she's sort-of gotten emotional while campaigning.

Before I posted this I did a search for any time that John Kerry cried during his run for the White House, because I'm sure he spoke to many veterans on the trail. I couldn't find any. If anyone knows of any time that happened to him, or any other candidate, please post it.

I don't want to single out Hillary for this, but this is the third time this has happened the day before an election. Coincidence?
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:57 AM
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1. I hear women do that from time to time.
You know, express emotion.

If a man did it, you know, got misty eyed, he would be labeled weak.

So when a woman expresses emotion, she's what...calculating?

methinks people are afraid of her.



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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:00 AM
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3. And it looks like women who run for the Presidency do it all the time.
It's a campaign tactic, apparently.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:11 AM
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25. All of the time ? I heard about it happening twice.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 02:14 AM by BeatleBoot
What is it about women's emotions that make you angry?



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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:12 AM
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26. This is #3 I've heard since NH. nt
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:16 AM
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28. Thrice? Dear me, that's "all the time" then, isn't it?
Guess what - she's a human being.

You might want to get used to it.

Because you might see it happen a few more times in the next 8 or 9 years.


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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:19 AM
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29. LOL. Yeah, I just see women crying everywhere.
Actually, you know, I think the ONLY person, at all, I've seen cry since the NH primary is Hillary Clinton.

Three times, and each time before an important election.

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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:34 AM
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33. Yep. She's doing it "all the time" and "everywhere"
It must be so since you said so.

Reality, however, has a different take.

People really need to get over their fear of women's emotions.



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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:00 AM
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2. Oh just STOP IT!
This one has too much emotions....this one has none.....and ON AND ON AND ON about NONSENSE!

Focus on ISSUES - VOTING RECORDS - THINGS THAT MATTER.

btw, Hillary is not even a CONSIDERATION on my list.....but some peeps have gone "way 'round the bend" and WASTE their precious time in this life on junk like this.

---------

First and last time I will stray into GD-P.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:00 AM
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4. You're missing the point. nt
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:04 AM
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5. Apparently.....so what's the point? eom
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:06 AM
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8. That she's deliberately crying for sympathy votes.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 02:07 AM by BullGooseLoony
As a campaign tactic.

In fact, she's done it enough times now that it's looking like a strategy.


No one is criticizing her for being genuinely emotional.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:11 AM
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22. Yep - gotcha
:thumbsup: @ your assessment
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:08 AM
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12. ah, nevermind.....I guess I already GOT the point
that's why I said, "she's not even under consideration" for getting a vote from me .

Peace,
M_Y_H
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:04 AM
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6. If that's the actual picture, her eyes don't
have any extra moisture in them. I don't see any tears at all.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:08 AM
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14. LOL! Good catch!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:10 AM
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20. Hey, at least she's TRYING, though, you know? nt
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:06 AM
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7. It COULD be understandable ...
... but it could also be a way to reinforce one of the uglier Obama talking points.

I remember growing up in an age when we were taught "big boys don't cry". God help us if the new version of that is "crying is dishonest".

THAT is a future we are better off without.

--p!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:07 AM
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11. It's dishonest when you're using it as a campaign prop. nt
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maipenri Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:07 AM
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9. And if she never showed any emotions, you would find fault with that too.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:08 AM
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13. so true, so true
then she'd be cold. But she gets called that anyway. If Obama cried, they'd bottle his tears and sell them to the "believers".
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:24 AM
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31. Oh you mean like holy water
what a great idea roflmbo
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:07 AM
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10. She's wiping the area just below her eye.
I don't see any tears. :shrug:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:09 AM
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15. I'm not a fan, but I can understand her reaction in this particular context.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:09 AM
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16. I saw Biden tear up and get emotional when discussing our troops who have
been killed in Iraq.

I believe Hillary. I bet what she was hearing was heartbreaking.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:09 AM
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17. I don't know what to think.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:09 AM
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18. Kerry wiped his eye
he was talking to a woman about her troubles and wiped his eye, it was a headline story for at least a week. He also choked up on the Senate floor and was maligned again. But Boehner cried big crocodile tears and it was praised as some kind of national catharsis.

I think we should leave Hillary alone on personal stuff, no need to risk backlash vote.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:09 AM
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19. I've stayed away from the 'Hillary crying" issue, but this is starting to get ridiculous
Is she going to have a weepy-eyed moment once a week now? She didn't shed a tear the entire time she was in the US Senate, now all of a sudden she's a freakin geyser. Give me a break.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:33 AM
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32. And exactly HOW DO YOU KNOW
she never shed a tear in the Senate.....

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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:39 AM
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35. Oh give me a break. The CSPAN video of that would have been on Drudge for weeks
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 02:39 AM by Azathoth
Stop playing naive.

Once is genuine emotion. Getting misty-eyed the day before every major primary/caucus is just sad.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:24 AM
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38. Oh so you make a statement that you can't back up
because I assume you are not by her side 24X7 and I'm thinking CSPAN hasn't been covering Hillary 24X7 either...and then accuse me of playing naive because I call you on it

I didn't even say whether I think they are "fake" tears or not. You see we can't actually know for sure about any of this because we're not in her head or in her inner circle. All I'm saying is you actually have NO way of knowing that she has never cried in the Senate

I just don't give a shit about BS like this - I think maybe just maybe we should discuss actual issues - I've already voted in a primary and I didn't vote for either one of them - but it is bullshit like this post that has made me lean towards her - but frankly I really don't give a shit either way because neither one of them can win in November

We've been had AGAIN -
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:10 AM
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21. Goes all her public life without being caught getting verklempt--
in the last 6 weeks gets misty for the cameras on a regular basis. Hmm. Hmmmmmm....
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:38 AM
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34. Could it be that it's campaign season
and every candidate's word and movement is being recorded and dissected? I would not even have known about this supposed tearing up while listening to a veteran talk except for the OP bothering to post it. I don't think this particular appearance by Hillary was televised, so no one would have known about it here otherwise.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:11 AM
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23. Ugh. n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:11 AM
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24. Anyone recall the book by George Stephanopoulos about the Clinton white house?
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 02:12 AM by mzmolly
I don't recall the title, but in it Stephanopoulos indicated that Hillary IS an emotional person who is "tender hearted" yet comes across as cold at times in spite of that. GS also said that Bill, comes across as warm, but is actually more stern/cold in person.

I'm not surprised or concerned that Hillary is emotional about the problems we face as a nation.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:14 AM
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27. I correctly predicted Thursday that she would cry in Maine within 24 hours
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 02:15 AM by TexasObserver
... of the caucuses. Search it and you'll see.

And she'll talk about it tomorrow, along with the pimp thing, to communicate just how hard it is on her emotionally, girlfriend.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:20 AM
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30. I don't know what to think.
I have to admit that at first I thought the tears were a ploy (and an effective one at that). But if this is a gimmick, then she is badly overplaying it. Publicly tearing up three times in a month is creating the impression of someone who is not composed enough to manage the affairs of state. Is that being fair to her? Probably not, but that's how this is going to be perceived.

And if it's not a ploy... Well, I don't even know how to address that...



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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:46 AM
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36. Does anyone remember if she ever got caught crying during the Monica ordeal?
It seems to convenient for the tough woman to get soft the night before a tough election.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:30 AM
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39. Ah, yes, on cue....Monica
When I first opened this thread I told a friend of mine "Watch. Someone will bring up that she never cried about Monica." Sure enough, and very predictable.

BTW, how do you know she never cried during that period? She wasn't on display nearly as much as she is now.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:11 AM
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37. Stop it!
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:01 AM
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40. What Are You Really Suggesting?
That's she's performing, or that she's emotionally unstable? Or perhaps that she's even more keyed up than usual the night before a primary? Seems she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Can't wait to see what ensues should Obama ever have one (or two or three) of those emotionally overwhelming moments in public during what has to be the most exhilarating and tumultuous ride of his life, too.

When she breaks down in tears under the strain of a scathing town hall question or a serious debate or in reaction to news of a political defeat, then I'll start getting concerned.

I swear, people, sometimes this whole subject reminds me of Tom Hanks' character in A League of Their Own, ridiculing his female team members, "There's no crying in baseball!"
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:08 AM
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41. 3 words- grasping at straws
Have anything factual or concrete to contribute to the discussion?
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:30 AM
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42. I hope she's crying because the guilt is finally catching up with her.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 04:31 AM by Meldread
It must be difficult knowing that you enabled someone to slaughter thousands of people and mentally and emotionally destroy hundreds of thousands more.

I'd cry too, if I had that on my conscience.
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