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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:08 AM
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If you want to Help Hillary and John Edwards in this election, go to FaceBook
and sign up getting the Florida and Michigan delegates Reinstated..

If you are on Facebook, join: "Let Us Reinstate FL & MI Delegates"!!:

www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12067602941


By now you all have figured out John Edwards and Hillary's Health Care Plans mirror each other. We need to get the representation from Florida and Michigan added to our totals..

Please Help Make it So..

Thanks!

http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/hillaryclinton_wideweb__470x308,02.jpg

and Edwards together make a Great Team for making our Universal Health Care Plan a REALITY!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:13 AM
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1. What about the impact of special interests? Obama doesn't take money from lobbyist
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:45 AM
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41. List of Lobbyists for Obama's donors..
...short term memory loss, ProSense? Why not bookmark in your "Obama Lobbyist file", so you don't forget!


Bundlers for Barack Obama Who Have Registered as Federal Lobbyists
Frank Clark
IL
Commonwealth Edison

www.exeloncorp.com/ExelonInternet/Templates/StandardPage.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2faboutus%2fmanagement%2f&NRNODEGUID=%7b32364CEC-B05E-440D-B090-6F88AD6DC26B%7d&NRCACHEHINT=Guest#clark

Commonwealth Edison is a subsidiary of Exelon, the nuclear energy company to whom Barack Obama is beholden. Clark is Commonwealth Edison’s chief legislative strategist. Clark is also a Board member of Aetna, a health insurance company.

Scott Harris
DC
Harris Wiltshire and Grannis

www.harriswiltshire.com/whoweare.aspx?menu=1&seccionIzq=64&seccionIzqImage=67&seccionCen=65&seccionDer=66

Lobbies the FCC on behalf of international foreign governments and foreign telecommunications providers.

Allan J. Katz
FL
Akerman Senterfitt

akerman.com/public/attorneys/aBiography.asp?id=716

Katz is a member of the Florida Democratic Committee and the Democratic National Committee. Perhaps he will convince Obama to seat the Florida delegates at the convention. He sits on the Board of Citizens Property Insurance, and he lobbies legislators on behalf of insurance companies. Is Katz a superdelegate?

Robert S. Litt
MD
Arnold & Porter

www.arnoldporter.com/attorneys.cfm?u=LittRobertS&action=view&id=286

Litt is a white collar criminal defense attorney who previously worked at the Department of Justice. He has represented a range of clients, including pharmaceutical companies, who were the subjects of Congressional investigations. He also has extensive experience in national security matters.

Thomas J. Perrelli
VA
Jenner and Block

www.jenner.com/people/bio.asp?id=306

Perrelli is a lobbyist who represents the recording industry who served as counsel to Attorney General Janet Reno. He was also highly engaged in litigation surrounding reapportionment of Congressional districts in 2000.

Thomas A. Reed
VA
Kirkpatrick & Lockhart Preston Gates Ellis LLP

www.klgates.com/professionals/detail.aspx?professional=3176

Reed, an attorney who hails from Chicago, specializes in product liability, business litigation and antitrust defense. He also served in the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice.

Paul N. Roth
NY
Schulte Roth & Zabel

www.srz.com/attorneys/attorneyDetail.aspx?attorneyId=61

Roth is a finance attorney who specializes in mergers, investment management and business transactions.

Miriam Sapiro
DC
Summit Strategies

www.summitstrategies.com/aboutsummit/org_overview.htm

Summit Strategies is an institutional investment consulting firm.

Alan Solomont*
MA
Solomont Bailis Ventures

www.tbf.org/tbfgen1.asp?id=1713

Solomont is a former Finance Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He served as a delegate of Massachusetts to the national convention during the 1990s, and he was appointed by former President Bill Clinton to serve on the Board of Directors of the Corporation for National and Community Service. He is also heavily engaged in various health care ventures.

Tom E. Wheeler*
DC
Core Capital Partners

www.core-capital.com/tom_wheeler.aspx

Wheeler is an expert in telecommunications policy and business development who specializes in cable, wireless and video communications. He lobbies state and federal legislators on matters of telecommunications policy.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #41
44. P. has lots of memory losses.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #44
66. ProSense is allergic to "Inconvenient Truths!"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:12 PM
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69. Did you see the facts and the video of Edwards debunking your bogus list:

Fact Check On Public Citizen's Claim That Obama Has Bundler Lobbyists

February 08, 2008

Public Citizen recently claimed that Barack Obama has 10 bundlers who are federal lobbyists. But none of the individuals they cite are currently registered to lobby. As an Obama spokesperson has said, the ban on accepting money from federal lobbyists is not "a perfect solution to the problem , and it isn't even a perfect symbol, but it does reflect that Obama shares the urgent desire of the American people to change the way Washington operates."

Read Public Citizen's List Here

Check Lobbyist Registrations Here

Frank Clark, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2000

Scott Harris, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Allan J. Katz, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Robert S. Litt, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2002

Thomas J. Perrelli, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2005

Thomas A. Reed, TERMINATION ONLINE

Paul N. Roth, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Alan Solomont, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Tom E. Wheeler, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2003


Don't forget to actually check the Lobbying Disclosure Act Database

Video Edwards, Clinton, and Obama debate about Lobbyist




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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. The Fox in the Hen House Strategy doesn't work here. TRY THIS!
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/veiled-lobbyists-give-700000-2007-04-18.html

Which proves you and yours do nothing BUT LIE about your candidate!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:36 PM
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81. You're linking to an article that proves Obama told the truth?
Donors identify themselves, including by occupation, on contributions to candidates. Of the major contenders, almost all report a few self-identified lobbyists on their donor rosters, including Obama. (While he has refused funds from federally registered lobbyists, he has accepted donations from lobbyists at the state level).

Two candidates have no self-identified lobbyists listed as contributors: Clinton and Edwards. Representatives for both campaigns said they have not discouraged donors from identifying themselves as lobbyists.


Desperate with nothing left! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #41
65. Still peddling your bogus list I see.

Fact Check On Public Citizen's Claim That Obama Has Bundler Lobbyists

February 08, 2008

Public Citizen recently claimed that Barack Obama has 10 bundlers who are federal lobbyists. But none of the individuals they cite are currently registered to lobby. As an Obama spokesperson has said, the ban on accepting money from federal lobbyists is not "a perfect solution to the problem , and it isn't even a perfect symbol, but it does reflect that Obama shares the urgent desire of the American people to change the way Washington operates."

Read Public Citizen's List Here

Check Lobbyist Registrations Here

Frank Clark, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2000

Scott Harris, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Allan J. Katz, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Robert S. Litt, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2002

Thomas J. Perrelli, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2005

Thomas A. Reed, TERMINATION ONLINE

Paul N. Roth, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Alan Solomont, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Tom E. Wheeler, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2003


Don't forget to actually check the Lobbying Disclosure Act Database

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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:15 AM
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2. I actually think that would hurt Clinton a great deal
She is on the record from months ago saying the rules matter. To change her mind and possibly win this way would leave many Obama supporters in the cold and probably at home on election day.

What do you think about a possible revote, or allowing them to seat delegates in proportion to the overall popular vote each candidate receives?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:26 AM
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11. The rules matter to voters who are clamoring to have their votes recognized..
"A credentials committee will meet this summer, and it could decide to take up the matter of seating the Florida and Michigan delegations. So, it’s still possible — possible — that these big delegations could be a force at the convention, and in fact, some Florida voters believe that will ultimately be the case."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/29/floridas-democratic-delegate-mess/

And if there is an argument as to why Hillary should receive the delegates it's because She did not violate her pledge to the DNC. However, Obama did violate the DNC'c Pledge. He advertised via cable ads, which he could have had blocked to stay in compliance.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:26 AM
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12. Hillary on MI Primary "this election...is not going to count for anything"
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 11:26 AM by ProSense
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:41 AM
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35. She wants to leave Obama supporters in the cold!
I agree totally with the first part of your message. The rules were decided--whether we/they agree with them or not, the candidates agreed to those rules several months ago. In the case of Florida, at least all the candidates were on the ballot and they all obeyed the rules regarding campaigning in the state, more or less.

However, the case in Michigan is much more problematic. With Obama and Edwards not even on the ballot, it would be strange to say now, "well, we will give all of Hillary's votes to her, and then see what happens with the rest". It should also be illegal to have a "do-over". I am sure there are people in every state who wish they could have a do-over ("if I knew then what I know now..."). It is simply not appropriate to try to undo now decisions which were made so many months ago.

A single date primary, with satellite conferencing campaign events and national ads is the way to go.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:15 AM
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3. Obviously, they shouldn't be reinstated without a true primary or caucus. nt
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Florida Was A Completetly Real Primary. They Should Absolutely Be Reinstated.
The numbers there speak volumes, and the people spoke loudly.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:25 AM
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10. In which no candidates were allowed to campaign. It was a beauty pageant and no more.
There's a reason we allow campaigning in every actual primary.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. Oh Please. The Public More Than Had Exposure To The Candidates. And 1.7 Million Of Them Spoke Their
voices loudly. You just want to disenfranchise and silence the voices of those 1.7 MILLION voters simply because their voice didn't speak out what you wanted to hear. It's fucking disgraceful.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:29 AM
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So that's enough, then? Why do candidates bother campaigning at all?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:35 AM
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26. Frankly, Some Might Consider The Lack Of Campaigning To Be A Good Thing.
Campaigning is so disingenuous. If anything, I think FL was more pure than any other state in the way the people voted. But what it comes down to, is that the public had more than enough exposure to the candidates. They had more than enough interest. They went out in record numbers and way more than doubled the turnout in 2004. You want to silence those voices and disenfranchise them based solely on the fact they didn't vote your way. Makes me a bit sick to see here.

When you have 1.7 million people turning out for a PRIMARY vote, then it's obvious that there was more than enough interest and knowledge to make the election legitimate. You just don't like the results, so you'll use whatever deflective "bbbbut they didn't campaign! Bbbbut they said they wouldn't count!" excuses that you can to cover your petty selfishness. But I see right through it and don't buy it for a second. You don't like that your candidate didn't win, so now you want to throw away those 1.7 million votes. Disgusting.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #26
31. So you believe that a lack of campaigning leads to a better-informed, "purer" electorate?
And why would that be, OMC? Because your candidate collapses in every state in which Obama and Clinton campaign?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #31
38. It Might. If The Public Actually Had To Rely On Research And Debates? Then Yeah, It Could.
But in spite of that the lack of campaigning is a fair void for both candidates. It affected both of them. But campaigning or not, when you have 1.7 million fucking voters rush out in RECORD numbers to the polls, you'd have to be a selfish moron to want to deny them their voice. They made their opinion known. If you seriously want to try and stand here and claim that had they campaigned, Obama would've overtaken a 300,000 vote gap, then don't mind my thinking your friggin whacked in the head.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:52 AM
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49. But they don't, and you know they don't. That's why candidates campaign. Without
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 11:52 AM by Occam Bandage
bringing the issues to the voters, you're running a beauty pageant. A very popular beauty pageant--no matter how popular it is--is not an election.

In case you didn't notice, in the last two weeks, Obama made up a national twenty-point deficit by campaigning. Once he started campaigning for Super Tuesday, he went from being ahead in 3 of 21 states to winning 13 of 21 states. Yeah, I think he could have won. But we don't know, because we didn't have a real election. We had a farce, and since the farce broke your way, you want to pretend it was free and fair.

Tell me, do you believe if Hugo Chavez were to announce elections--and announce that there would be no campaigning allowed, and that the opposition was not allowed to spread its message in any way whatsover, and that this election would be non-binding and not actually count for anything--and then after he won, he turned around and claimed, "look, the people voted for me, they want me to stay in..."

...OMC, would you believe that was a fair re-election?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #49
67. I Think The Way You Patronize Florida Voters Is Astounding.
You're acting as if these 1.7 million people are live-in-a-cave ignoramuses that had no exposure to the candidates, and were just all voting blindly. What a crock of shit. They knew full well who they were voting for and why, and I think the residents of Florida deserve a hell of a lot more intellectual credit than you're giving them. Your argument is absurd.

The candidates campaigned in Jersey, and I wouldn't have known for a second. I had more than enough exposure to the candidates without having to go to any campaign event, and every single person I know who voted here did so on their own merits, and not because the candidates campaigned here. I cast my vote with full knowledge of their positions and whether they had or hadn't campaigned here I wouldn't have noticed in a million years. If I asked every single person I know that voted, I'd wager they'd say the EXACT SAME THING.

1.7 million people voted in florida and they did so with knowledge and intellect as to why the chose who they chose, not out of blind ignorance and pageantry that you're trying to cast onto them. You are completely disrespecting them and undermining their intellectual capability, and I find that disgusting. No. The voters of Florida did not vote blindly and ignorantly. They voted fairly and with knowledge, and in the end spoke quite clearly.

No matter how much you speak or what you try and say, there is no way in hell you're going to overcome the simple fact that you want to silence the voices of 1.7 million voters merely because they didn't speak in the ways you wanted to hear. It does come down to that, period. 1.7 million people spoke. They spoke in record numbers in a fair election. Let their voice matter, rather than trying to rob it from them due to your selfish pettiness.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:28 AM
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15. That's ridiculous...
The candidates agreed that MI and FL didn't count ~ and one candidate is trying to go back on that. So much for democracy!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. Nothing Ridiculous About It. Voters Spoke Out In RECORD Numbers. Their Voice Was Clear.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 11:31 AM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
It is also clear that many here want to deny the voices and votes of 1.7 MILLION voters merely out of selfish pettiness that the voices didn't speak out with the answer they wanted to hear. You should be ashamed.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. LOL - nice try...
YOUR CANDIDATE should be ashamed!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #21
30. You Can't Dispute It. You Can Just Offer One Liner Emptiness. You Have No Leg To Stand On.
When 1.7 million people rush out to let their voices be heard, then only a fool would claim that the results are unclear or tainted. Give me a break. You know damn well that the people of Florida let it be WELL known who they supported, and to try and claim otherwise makes you look moronic. You know they spoke, and you know you want to SILENCE those voters SOLELY on the selfish fact that they didn't vote your way. So yes, you should be ashamed.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #21
78. well there was only one candidate that got their commericals through the back door into fla..OBAMA
he broke the rules..obama broke the rules!

Not John Edwards, not Kucinich, Not Hillary..only one candidate broke the rules and knew damn well he was doing it ..Obama!

fly
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. They should have primaries. Much more democratic. I do NOT support caucuses.
nt
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. I Never Knew Much About The 'Primary' Process. After Learning This Year About Caucuses, I Agree
that they're completely odd to me and I don't know why we have them. But it makes me think about the whole superdelegates thing. If DU'ers so passionately disapprove of the SD's having a say, it kinda makes me view them as hypocrites for standing so firm that these 'caucus' states are fair voices of the people in and of themselves.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:20 AM
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6. Very slick stragegy, Tellurian, to lure Edwards supporters.
Too bad the association you are making is based on your own assumptions and not on anything official...
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. Very predictable tactic of this poster. Most won't fall for it, not to worry :-)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #6
14. Hillary made it official by announcing she want JE as part of her WH Team if elected..
What part of that statement are you not acquainted with...
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #14
17. The part where JE announced he supported HRC. Still waiting for that one, dear.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #17
28. Exactly.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #17
32. Keep drinking that Kool-Aid..
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #32
36. I'm sitting here,
with the Kool-Aid man as my avatar, with the Kool-Aid man as my sig, wondering exactly what made you think, "hey, I bet I should reply with a pic of the Kool-Aid man. That would be clever."
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #36
46. If you think that is the more important issue..
Your avatar is too small to see clearly. And the larger one showing in the text space is all chopped up..

I'll be nice and offer MY Kool-Aid man to you as a graphic aesthetically kinder on the eyes..
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #46
50. It's not an issue. It's not half an issue. It's not even the dot in the letter "i."
But since you changed the subject to it, it seemed fair.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #50
63. well, my offer still stands..
I really like my Kool-Aid man.. but it's my gift to you... with no strings attached.. :hi:

:toast:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #14
37. i hope John will consider the offer. If he wants that route-he would be an Asset in
a Clinton administration.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:24 AM
Response to Original message
8. And John Edwards? He hasn't endorsed Hillary, you know.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #8
18. Edwards hasn't rebuked Hillary's offer publicly either... silence is acquience...
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. He hasn't said a word about endorsing her either way. If that's all it takes, then Clinton endorsed
Obama when she didn't deny "I'm looking forward to you advising me, too, Hillary."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #18
24. "silence is acquience"? WTF? You sound like the Swift Liars! n/t
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. OMG.. that means Edwards just endorsed Obama ! Spread the word !!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #27
39. Leave it to you to spead distortions.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #39
76. ROFL... and the OP is not a distortion? Typical double standard.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #24
29. WTF...you are the Biggest propagator of Lies on this Forum!
with your LINK addiction! (back to your own LINKS) :rofl:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #29
33. Don't be modest.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #29
61. Ah, delusional too I see. Here is something that is not a lie: Hillary's link to lobbyist
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 12:01 PM by ProSense
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. Hillary has ALWAYS said she takes money from Lobbyiests..
She doesn't Lie like Obama does...and you!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:15 PM
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71. Yes, Hillary is beholdened to lobbyist, and Obama told the truth:
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 12:16 PM by ProSense

Fact Check On Public Citizen's Claim That Obama Has Bundler Lobbyists

February 08, 2008

Public Citizen recently claimed that Barack Obama has 10 bundlers who are federal lobbyists. But none of the individuals they cite are currently registered to lobby. As an Obama spokesperson has said, the ban on accepting money from federal lobbyists is not "a perfect solution to the problem , and it isn't even a perfect symbol, but it does reflect that Obama shares the urgent desire of the American people to change the way Washington operates."

Read Public Citizen's List Here

Check Lobbyist Registrations Here

Frank Clark, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2000

Scott Harris, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Allan J. Katz, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Robert S. Litt, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2002

Thomas J. Perrelli, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2005

Thomas A. Reed, TERMINATION ONLINE

Paul N. Roth, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Alan Solomont, NOT REGISTERED IN 2007

Tom E. Wheeler, NOT REGISTERED SINCE 2003


Don't forget to actually check the Lobbying Disclosure Act Database

Video: Edwards, Clinton, and Obama debate about Lobbyist




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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:42 PM
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82. Nah, they have more integrity.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:29 AM
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16. Why are you trying to tie Edwards with Clinton? n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:34 AM
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25. Hillary made a public statement JE would be part of her team if elected..
He has NOT denounced the offer. Furthermore, the point IS his HealthCare Plan and Hillarys are almost identical. I believe Edwards is smart enough to realize with Hillary, he can accomplish Universal Health Care.

Aligning himself with Obama, is no benefit to him because his Health Care Plan doesn't stand a chance.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:49 AM
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45. There are more issues than health care on the table.
I wonder what she promised him? I wonder what Obama promised him. I heard that his endorsement is the most coveted endorsement right now.

I have the luxury right now of not really caring who he endorses or who wins the nomination. Ahh...to be able to step back and look at things with some objectivity. I can see him endorsing Clinton because I don't really think Edwards feels Obama has enough experience. I can see him endorsing Obama because he detests the kind of politics that the Clintons represent.

It's going to take more than a shared view on health care.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:59 AM
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56. The fact of the matter is...Obama stabbed Edwards in the back...
after Edwards ran interference for him for months attacking Hillary at every debate. The thanks Edwards got, at his own expense was Obama turning on him at their last debate summarily throwing Edwards under the bus..

Obama has no allegiance to anyone but Obama... and will stand on your shoulders to get to the next rung..period..
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:59 AM
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55. Has Edwards publically accepted her offer?
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 11:59 AM by tinrobot
I'll answer for you.

He hasn't.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:01 PM
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60. Has he publically refused her offer?
I'll answer for you.

He hasn't.

"Silence speaks like Thunder." remember that!
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:03 PM
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62. An ugly woman asked me out the other day. I politely ignored her.
Just because I didn't say no to her advances, does that mean I'm going to marry her?

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:06 PM
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64. You made an ugly face... she got the message!
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:12 PM
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70. You don't get it. Edwards is playing poker...
....and his face is not giving anything away.

He's not supporting either candidate, nor is he refusing their advances. The longer he holds out, the more his delegates are worth, and the more power he holds.

He's a brilliant man.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:26 PM
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77. Yes, of course I understand..
Alls I'm saying is Obama burned him... He is less likely to go with someone he can't trust to Burn him a second time..
He could make a deal with Obama giving him his delegates and after the election Obama could tell him...C-ya!

Hillary has too much integrity to ever pull something like that. Obama otoh, would just say, "welcome to Chicago politcs John". Buh Bye!
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:32 PM
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79. I read your link to the NY Post
And it pretty much sums up what's going on in Florida. It stated we have 210 delegates but we actually have 241 delegates including alternates which count and this doesn't include super delegates. In my opinion, not seating the delegates and not allowing peoples votes to count isn't fair to the Democratic process. These delegates would determine who is the nominee for the Democratic party, and we consider this a huge issue. I know Senator Nelson and the Florida Democratic Party filed a suit against the DNC to allow the delegates to be seated accordingly but the judicial branch would not get involved which really meant they lost the suit. After this happened Howard Dean suggested a caucus in Florida but Nelson refused it. In my opinion a caucus isn't representative of all Floridians like a primary would be. That said, I think the DNC will need to come up will a solution before the convention because if they disallow to seat the delegates or split the delegates evenly I believe many Floridians will not be happy with this. I think of it in terms like this, "if our votes don't count in the primary then they don't need to count in the GE so why show up." I'm speaking in generals but this issue has a lot of traction in Florida and I think it needs to be worked out in a fair way because if it isn't, the voter turnout might be determined by whom the democratic nominee is.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:31 AM
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20. They are having a re-run is the latest story. That's sounds fair to me.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:33 AM
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23. I'd be fine with that.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:40 AM
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34. Well, it would be the democratic solution. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:46 AM
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42. That proposal is picking up steam--DNC has offered to pay for them.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:59 AM
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53. Great news about the DNC funding! nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:45 AM
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40. Don't forget to go to FaceBook---after all the bickering is done:-)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:47 AM
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43. REC
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:50 AM
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47. kick & rec
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:50 AM
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48. kick & rec
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:56 AM
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51. NO! I'm in Michigan, and unless we have another election I can't favor seating the delegates.
No, I'm not an Obama supporter... or a Hillary supporter for that matter.

Yes, I was an Edwards supporter. :)
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:57 AM
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52. Edwards and Clinton "together" on universal health care?
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 11:58 AM by tinrobot
Give me a break.

He hasn't supported anyone, so suggesting he's on board with Clinton's plan is ridiculous.

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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:59 AM
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54. Florida and Michigan should learn how to follow the rules they agreed upon.
Get over it. Have a caucus or lose your delegates.

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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:59 AM
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57. agreed.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:01 PM
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59. They volunteered to ditch their delegates.
If they want to be represented, hold a caucus.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:01 PM
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58. man, are you fucking desperate. And wow, does it show
Pitiful.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:16 PM
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72. I didn't know Facebook was so influential.
All people do there is Superpoke each other.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:21 PM
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74. bull shit they don't mirror each other
john left a single payer option where as hillary has a government plan that is on a special price structure. Johns plan had a not for profit health plan, hillaries is the poor person's option. Not even close to the same thing.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:21 PM
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75. Nice pandering. Edwards doesn't have any delegates in either race
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:32 PM
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80. Here is a possible scenario to Edwards 61 delegates
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:47 PM
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83. ...Facebook? Really?
I have Facebook account, sure, but I didn't know that Democratic Party officials were attuned to Facebook groups. Even if they were, they would see that Obama and Ron Paul have the most Facebook supporters anyway.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:28 PM
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84. done
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:37 PM
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85. quit trying to tie John Edwards to Hillary, it will not help your cause
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