Hillary Clinton in single digits among black voters in Virginia

[jackson_dem]

Clinton is done if she remains between 9-15% among blacks. Since African Americans make up about a fifth of Democrats that means on average she starts down 17-3. Whites outside the South basically split. Usually they go for Hillary, although Obama is always competitive, but Obama's wins in places like Idaho and Kansas show this is not always the case. Unless Hillary can somehow start winning 85-88% of whites she is toast if she can't win a decent share of black support. Just over a month ago she led with black voters. What happened in January to change this? :sarcasm:

-snip-

A new Mason-Dixon poll in Virginia shows Sen. Barack Obama way ahead of Sen. Hillary Cinton, 53% to 37%, ahead of Tuesday's primary.

Key findings: Obama leads among black voters, 82% to 9%. Clinton leads among white voters, 49% to 41%.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/02/10/masondixon_obama_mccain_hold_big_leads_in_virginia.html

[dkf]

1. This is Bill's fault. He is losing it for her.

What an idiot.

[jackson_dem]

3. Bill is running?

What did Bill do anyway to cause Hillary to go from leading to blacks to losing by a margin of 85-88 to 12-15?

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

6. His negative comments about Barack

and his attributing things to Barack that weren't true during the SC campaign.

If he would have kept his trap shut and just talked up Hilary, rather than act as her attack dog and insult Barack, she would be in much better shape

[jackson_dem]

12. And what does that have to do with her lead among blacks turning into an over 70 point deficit?

Are you saying anyone who criticizes a black candidate will hemorrhage black support? This is not the case as past history shows. Nor is it the case with whites. Obama has been negative. Is he at 9% with whites? We all know what happened but no one wants to say it. Obama's surrogates swiftboated the Clintons on race and Obama is reaping the benefits of it. It is no coincidence that in every state where there is voting on racial lines Obama has won.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

16. please re-read my post

Are you saying anyone who criticizes a black candidate will hemorrhage black support? This is not the case as past history shows. Nor is it the case with whites.

No, what I am saying is a former president is held to a higher standard and expected not to become an attack dog. And if he does, he better make accusations that are true, not false. President Clinton embarrased himself with his actions.


Has Obama been negative? yes. Has Hilary been negative? yes. But neither have been out of bounds for a candidate.

The African American vote moved when Bill started his false claims against Barack. If he had kept it positive and kept his dignity as a former president, Hilary would have been much better served.

Don't blame Obama for the mistakes of the Clinton campaign.

[jackson_dem]

18. You're saying Clinton criticizing a black candidate caused this tectonic shift

Past history of black candidates shows this is not true. The special variable here was the Obama machine swiftboating the Clintons as racist.

Why didn't whites, Latinos, and Asians move to Obama at a 85-88% clip in outrage over what Clinton did?

[NorthernSpy]

26. "why didn't whites, Latinos, and Asians..."

...move to Obama at a 85-88% clip in outrage over what Clinton did?"

Because they don't care as much about this. This wasn't aimed at them, and they know it, so fewer of them will take it personally.

Simple as that.


http://www.blackstarnews.com/?c=123&a=4117

[jackson_dem]

36. And Clinton's criticism of a rival candidate was not aimed at blacks either

The spin of the Obama machine doesn't change that fact. Obama is not exempt from criticism based on his color.

[dkf]

35. Say what you will.

When you read accounts of what happened in this election, Bill Clinton's comments, and the coup de grace, his Jesse Jackson line, will be listed as important factors.

Early on the argument was if Obama was Black enough. Hillary Clinton was winning this vote and indeed she counted on it.

But starting with the Bill Shaheen drug dealer quote and then with Bill opening his big ole mouth, the vote collapsed.

[jackson_dem]

41. What does Obama's documented record of drug use have to do with race?

Nothing, until the Obama machine's swiftboats swung into action.

[dkf]

47. You are in denial.

I think you just like to type the word "swiftboat". Maybe you can create a meme hmm?

I guess its worth a try.

Whatever.

[NOLALady]

9. Open his mouth.

[NorthernSpy]

22. I'm glad you asked!

Here you go:


http://www.blackstarnews.com/?c=123&a=4117


Read the whole thing, if you really want to know what happened.


By the way, months ago I told one of the more extreme Hillbots that her campaign was in the process of alienating black voters. I don't think she took me seriously.

[jackson_dem]

27. The headline of the article immediately revealed it is bull

"Ma And Pa Clinton Flog Uppity Black Man"

This is an example of the swiftboating of the Clintons on race the Obama machine executed. Shame on them. So much for a positive politics of hope...

[NorthernSpy]

42. what's the matter -- afraid of a little analysis from the black-o-sphere?

You asked the question. And now you don't want to learn the answer if it means stepping outside your preferred echo chamber.


Figures.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

4. If he would have stayed positive, I think they would have split the black vote

[jackson_dem]

5. Obama has been negative

Did that result in him losing virtually all of his white support? St. Obama is a candidate and should not be off limits, although he is to the msm until the primaries are over...

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

8. People expect a former president to have a bit of dignity

and not be a negative campaign attack dog. People give more freedom to the candidates to camaign.

[Onlooker]

10. I agree ...

... but also credit the Obama campaign with taking full advantage of the opportunity he handed them. That's why I think Obama can beat McCain. Obama's campaign has been terrific.

[jackson_dem]

13. Obama will swiftboat McCain as a racist?

That is unlikely to work given his record and history but Obama was able to make BILL CLINTON a racist so I guess the Obama machine can do anything...

[Onlooker]

17. If McCain does something stupid, he will

... and looking at McCain's joke about "ugly" Chelsea and his response of "excellent question" when someone asked him "How do we beat the bitch?" it seems likely that he will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o

[dkf]

38. Well Obama certainly knows when to shut up and let others do all the talking.

[skooooo]

2. The man's got the big MO!

I never could have imagined this in a million years if it wasn't true!

[goldcanyonaz]

7. So very sad, but I won't be crossing over to join the majority of black voters this November.

[chascarrillo]

14. You won't vote for the Democratic nominee?

Bye, now.

[goldcanyonaz]

19. I'd have to think about supporting Obama, his policies, his approach, his tone...

Before I can decide.

[AX10]

15. Racist, Racist, you should be voting for Obama because he is black like you!

Racist I say!

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[goldcanyonaz]

20. I've been called a sellout more than a few times. We, as blacks sold Clinton out is how I respond.

I'm disgusted!

[AX10]

29. Good comeback!

Amazing how quickly so many forget that Clinton brought prosperity and lower crime rates to the inner cities as well as took racial profiling very seriously.

[jackson_dem]

21. Michelle Obama is that you?

;)

[goldcanyonaz]

24. haha,

[AX10]

30. Damn, you found out!

:rofl:
;)

[HughMoran]

11. It's too late now

I will make a prediction. Bill and Hillary will get divorced after she loses the primary.

;)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

23. total % of AA's in the state of VA. is 12.9%...why does Obama always play the race card?

[jackson_dem]

25. He had to win South Carolina

He didn't play the race card before Iowa and New Hampshire...

[NJSecularist]

33. He didn't play the race card at all

Hillary and her campaign tried to paint him as the black candidate. Their plan was that Obama would get 75-80% of the black vote and Hillary would recieve close to the same amount of white support. The Clinton strategy backfired horribly. They are the only ones to blame for this racial divide. They tried to play racial identity politics and it blew up in their face.

[SKKY]

46. I'm glad someone said it....

:thumbsup:

[Captain Hilts]

32. They are nearly 40% of VA Democratic primary voters. nt

[NorthernSpy]

34. just being black = "playing the race card"

It's unfair for black candidates to be black, and it's unfair for black voters to be black.

They should all recuse themselves until we need them in the general election. Then they can do their block-vote thing so we can win (yay!).


:eyes:

[jackson_dem]

39. No, swiftboating the Clintons on race="playing the race card"

The bloc vote in the general is based on issues. There is no difference between Democrat Hillary Clinton and Democrat Barack Obama on issues (if there is please enlighten us. Both have perfect NAACP ratings, as did Edwards), certainly nothing to warrant an 88-12 margin for Obama. The difference? The Clintons were swiftboated as racist by the Obama machine...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. almost all the Obama supporters threads are about "black voters" this one too

[AX10]

44. Obama is playing nasty. Just like Bush in 2000.

[jackson_dem]

45. There are a lot of similarities between Bush 00' and Obama 08'

:scared:

[hill08]

28. I just

don't understand why black voters vote so heavily for Obama--85 to 15. We don't see white voters voting for Hillary 85 to 15%. If it is not some kind of racism , then I don't know what is.

[Captain Hilts]

31. I've lived in VA. I don't blame black voters one bit for voting for BO. I voted for Wilder.

But I'm voting HRC here in MD.

[OHdem10]

37. I hope the Obama Supporters realize they are dividing the

party. Winning battles and losing wars is not always fun.

[NJSecularist]

40. Hillary supporters should realize the same thing

If their candidate wins.