Obama Voters: Would You Cross Over to McCain if Hillary Won?

[TedsGarage]

I was at an Obama rally this week, and met two voters who said they'd go for McCain if Hillary won the nomination. One called himself a Democrat, but said Hillary is too polarizing. The other was a Republican who said Obama is the ONLY Democrat she'll vote for, because she thinks he can unite the country. Is anyone else hearing this? Obama himself is saying that Hillary's supporters will vote for him, but his would not necessarily vote for her.

[flpoljunkie]

1. McCain? Hell, no!

[IsItJustMe]

51. I was going to respond exactly like that, but since you aleady did, I'll second it.

[Thrill]

2. NO. I don't want my kids being drafted

to fight McCain's wars.

[kentuck]

3. I think Obama is stealing many "Independents" from McCain...

So, no Obama, no Independents. McCain would get most of those votes.

[MH1]

4. Nope. But I know someone who would.

A coworker who is an independent, and says he likes Obama best, but might vote for McCain if Hillary is the nominee.

I don't like to talk politics much at work so I didn't dig into his reasons, but it seems he has bought into the MSM hero worship of McCain, and actually thinks he's a moderate.

[UALRBSofL]

10. I wouldn't but I think

most Hillary supporters would stay home.

[Blue_In_AK]

16. Actually, McCain is moderate on several domestic issues...

i.e., immigration, the environment, stem cell research, campaign finance reform, which is why the conservative base hate him so much, but his foreign policy ideas scare the crap out of me.

[Kahuna]

26. A republican coworker (upper middle class), said he would vote for

Obama over McCain. But would vote for McCain over Hillary.

[K Gardner]

5. I could never punch a button or pull a lever for McCain.

[New Dawn]

6. I would never vote for McCain or Clinton! n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. If Ya Wouldn't Vote For The Dem In The GE Then You're An Idiot.

[NightWatcher]

7. Nope, I dont think that they'd flip to McCain, but just stay home

[blogslut]

8. no

n/t

[Cant trust em]

9. Hell no, I won't go

I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but I will be a Hillary supporter if she wins the nomination. She isn't my preferred candidate, but I think that she would be a fine president. Strange how these sentiments feel distant on DU these days.

[Bluerthanblue]

12. no- If the time came that I couldn't vote for Hillary, I wouldn't

vote for McCain. I'd write in a Dem first- not a perfect solution, but better than suicide.

peace~

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. That's Half A Vote For McCain Then, And Equally As Stupid.

Your 'solution' accomplishes nothing. It is no less dumb of a decision than voting for McCain outright.

[Bluerthanblue]

35. hey you-

It's good to 'see' you- even if it is because your frustrated with something I've said.

I plan to vote for the Dem candidate- and I believe that will be Obama- If it is Hillary, I have also planned to vote Dem regardless, with much less enthusiasm. As this primary has dragged on though, there are things being done and said by Hillary and those who professionally represent her, which are making this plan more and more difficult to hold onto firmly.

My vote is not something I take lightly- and I have never not voted in either a primary or general election since I was 18- which is a looooooong time-

If I voted for McCain- I would directly add to his vote count- If the day came that I could not live with myself if I cast a vote to elect Hillary- (and I sincerely hope it doesn't) I wouldn't simply not vote- I wouldn't vote for Nader or any rogue 3rd party candidate- I would vote for a Dem. That doesn't equate to voting FOR McCain, because I wouldn't be giving HIM my vote, while refusing to cast it for Hillary- Do you not see this?

You can call me all the names you want OMC- You can question my 'loyalty' - my intelligence- my sanity. But none of that will really factor into my final choice. I've had to live with the consequences of some decisions that I have made in life, AGAINST my own deep convictions, and I'm just not able or willing to do that any more.

I wish you all good things-

:hi:

peace~
blu

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. I Just Know How Important This GE Is. Every Vote Counts And Anyone Not Voting For The Dem Is

working against their own interests. That's why I find it to be stupid. The reason I say half a vote for McCain is because of the following: Say McCain has 10 votes and Clinton has 6 votes. If you vote for Hillary, that gap is closed by one. If you voted for McCain, that gap is increased by one, but the spread is increased by two, since had it been for Hillary the count would be 10-7, going to McCain it would be 11-6, for a difference of votes of 5-3. That means each vote cast for our opponent instead of OUR candidate, brings a 2 point difference in results. But if you DON'T vote for either, then the total is still 10-6, for a difference of 4. Since a vote for Hillary would've caused a differential of 3, a vote for McCain a differential of 5, and not voting at all a differential of 4, it is almost like a half of vote for McCain (1 point differential difference as opposed to 2 point differential difference). Each two people that choose to not vote at all as opposed to the dem, effectively equal ONE person voting for the republican. It is quite logically, a half a vote for our opposition. I hope you can see what I mean.

By the way, I wish nothing but good things to come for you as well. :)

[cali]

14. wtf?

because you met two voters who said this, you're asking this dumbass question on DU? Obama was referring to Indies and disaffencted repukes like the one you met.

Not just no, but fuck no. I'm voting for Hillary if she's the nom, and it's all the whiny Hilly supporters who are going off in thread after thread about how they won't vote for Obama if he gets it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. That's insane.

Did those people fall out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down? I can't imagine anybody who supports either Hillary or Obama going over to McCain. However much you may dislike your candidate's opponent, McCain is antithetical to everything either of them stands for. McCain = more war, more tax breaks for the rich, more wingnut Supreme Court justices, more illegal wiretapping, more of everything that sucks about Bush. Maybe he won't torture people so much; otherwise he IS Bush.

Anyone who would throw our civil liberties and our health and safety and economic interests under the bus just because they didn't get their way when the nominee was chosen needs a severe ass-kicking. All you rabid partisans: Guess what; it's not about YOU.

[newmajority]

17. FUCK no!

I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary, but only to vote against the Chimp. I would never have voted for him in the General even then, and that was before he lost his mind.

[kid a]

18. absofuckinglutely NOT!!!! i'll vote hillary!

[stahbrett]

19. This WP article sums it up for many Obama supporters

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/09/AR2008020902140.html

Snippet:

But as much as they appreciated a glance inside the machinery of retail politics and contemporary celebrity, most students seemed far more taken with Barack Obama or John McCain than with the former first lady.

"We're mostly for Obama or apathetic," said Patrick O'Malley, a senior at Yorktown High who considers Clinton "manipulative and underhanded."

"Hillary is so establishment," said Morgan Henry, a junior at Wakefield High who will cast his first vote for Obama. "And I don't want two presidents." He quoted his stepfather's comment that he's for Obama but would switch to McCain if Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, "because even though he doesn't agree with McCain on issues, he respects his honesty and integrity."

...

Every one of the women I spoke to who avidly support Clinton said they like Obama and would have no problem voting for him in November. But it's also true that among the many Obama supporters I talked to in the gym, well more than half said they would at least consider voting for McCain over Clinton.

[UALRBSofL]

28. I would vote for Obama if he is the nominee

But I think most people here in florida would switch to McCain because they think he has experience.

[noamnety]

20. A follow-up question to that one:

Who's in the mood to get tomb-stoned today by answering this question wrong?

[IndieLeft]

21. No... I wouldn't vote for either of them.

I cannot vote for a candidate who voted to start the Iraq war.

And furthermore, if she wins the nomination due to the super delegates, and the pledged delegates go for Obama... I'm done with the party completely.

I'm not just done with the party, I'm done with politics. This is OUR decision, not some elected officials who count for 10,000 votes each.

[Araxen]

22. I will vote 3rd party or just not show up.

[globalvillage]

23. No, I would vote for Hillary

I would volunteer for her, too, if she's the nominee. Anything to beat McCain.

[Kahuna]

24. What a stupid question. nt

[Guava Jelly]

25. No

I don't hate Hillary..I am not thrilled with her but if she gets the nod I will support her.
I like McCain but it would be a cold day in hell before I would vote for any R

[thevoiceofreason]

27. Hell no

[Alexander]

29. Hell no!

[Frances]

30. I think Obama is more likely to win the nomination than

Hillary.

However, if Obama does not do everything in his power to persuade his supporters to vote for Hillary is she wins the nomination, then he shouldn't be running as a Democrat IMO.

The same is true for Hillary.

[Thrill]

31. One young girl on CNN said she wouldn't vote because

She is sick of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton

[ZinZen]

32. Oh hell no!

[Dob Bole]

33. I have decided to write in VIGO if that happens...

Vigo, better known as the master of evil from Ghostbusters 2, actually looks like a nice mixture between McCain and Clinton.

[MassLiberal]

34. no way

[Faygo Kid]

36. No. The war alone clinches that.

I don't have to go into anything further than the war. I opposed the war long before it began, and and I oppose it now. I will continue to oppose it. Period.

[Mz Pip]

37. Of course not

That would be the dumbest thing I would ever do in my life.


Of course I'll vote for Hillary.

McCain is just more of the same, including another 2 SCOTUS appointments. These "I'll only vote for ____________" folks need to get a grip.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Pushed To The Left]

38. HELL NO!!!! I will proudly support whoever gets the Democratic nomination

McCain's policies have many similarities to Bush's. I don't think we need 4 more years of that.

[skorpo]

39. NEVER!! n/t

[Orangepeel]

40. Of course not. But some independents will.

A lot of people vote for who they like and rationalize the reasons later. IMO, more of those voters will vote for Obama over McCain and McCain over Clinton. I don't believe that is smart or fair, but I believe it is accurate.

[NC_Nurse]

41. No. But I have definitely hear Repubs say it.

[Madam Mossfern]

42. Of course I'd vote for HIllary if she won the nomination.

How can any Obama supporter claim that they would vote for McCain? That just doesn't make sense. It's the old cutting off your nose to spite your face syndrome. How sad.

[graywarrior]

43. Are you crazy?

Hell no. I'd vote for Hillary without a doubt.

[SKKY]

44. No I won't, but of all the republicans they could put up, McCain would suck the least...

...if that makes sense to anyone other than me.

[cgrindley]

45. Fuck no. What a stupid thing to ask.

Why would a Democrat ever vote for a Repuke?


PS not that I can vote... but if I was allowed to vote... there's no way I'd vote for McLame.

[Strelnikov_]

46. Maybe. Its been a hard winter here in Iowa

so I still have a month or more biking/walking to work/store across the snow/ice.

In these conditions, there is always a chance of head injury resulting in some mild brain damage.

[Occam Bandage]

47. Hell no.

[conservdem]

49. Yes, I would probably vote for McCain but it depends on running

mates. I may just write in Biden if the running mates a lousy.

[IsItJustMe]

52. We'll see if you get your 100 years of war, good luck with that.

[book_worm]

50. Nope.

[Eurobabe]

53. Fuck no!

I may have to buy a ton of duct tape and clothespins, but I would vote for Clinton.

[Adelante]

54. Yeah, sure

:crazy: