Maine doesn't count.

[cali]

Alaska doesn't count
Louisiana doesn't count
Nebraska doesn't count
Washington doesn't count
Connecticut doesn't count
Illinois doesn't count
Idaho doesn't count
Iowa doesn't count
Minnesota doesn't count
Missouri doesn't count
South Carolina doesn't count
Kansas doesn't count
Alabama doesn't count
Georgia doesn't count
Utah doesn't count
Colorado doesn't count
North Dakota doesn't count
Delaware doesn't count
The Virgin Islands don't count

Virginia won't count
Maryland won't count
Washington D.C. won't count
Hawaii won't count

California counts
New Hampshire counts
Massachusetts counts
Nevada counts
American Samoa counts
New Jersey counts
Arkansas counts
Tennessee counts
Michigan counts extra
Florida really counts extra
New Mexico probably counts

Ohio might count
Texas might count
Pennsylvania might count
Wisconsin might count

We get it. Truly, we get it.

[gateley]

LOL! nt

[gateley]

1. DUPE. Oops. nt

[gateley]

2. SECOND DUPE! Sorry. nt

[NoodleyAppendage]

3. I've got a single finger that the DINO/DLC pro-corporatist candidate can count. n/t

J

[dmallind]

81. Quick question

What are the substantive DINO/DLC pro-corporatist policy differences between that candidate and the other one?

[NoodleyAppendage]

118. Policy isn't the issue and you know it. It's who funds those policy efforts.

Clinton has taken more money from the health care and insurance companies than any other candidate, yet we are to believe that these corporate interests are going to actively support her policies that work in their disfavor? Come on.

J

[dmallind]

124. So if the policies aren't different what does it matter

And remember two things

1) Those donations also come from normal people in those industries - in fact my donations to Richardson and Edwards (I'm witing for the GE to donate to Obama or Clinton) would have shown up in the first category given my job. I'm not a PAC or lobbyist either.

2) We have two viable candidates only - the source of their war chests is not significantly different. Even IF source of funding were the big issue this would only be a meaningful criterion if Edwards or Kucinisch etc were viable.

[Tat]

111. After this, you're giving them a thumbs up?

Oh...

[Hutzpa]

4. LOL!!

bwahahaha! !


:rofl:

[sniffa]

5. Florida and Michigan count

:rofl:

[KittyWampus]

16. Ah, the comedic payoff. It's all in the timing.

[cali]

30. golly gee, sniffa, how could I have forgotten that Florida

and Michigan count extra much? I'll fix it right away.

[sloppyjoe25s]

6. Hey... I'm from New Mexico and...

And we are fighting and counting provisional ballots... to try to assure that New Mexico doesn't count either!!

[JanusAscending]

105. How's that working for ya, by the way?????

I've asked this question on the New Mexico forum, and so far NO ONE KNOWS!! Whats going on?? Has NM been put in either candidates column yet?? Nothing from MSM! I WANT TO KNOW!!!

[Debi]

7. Good one!

:thumbsup:

[Redstone]

8. Thanks for that breath of fresh air. There's been a shortage of that around here.

Redstone

[WillyT]

9. And Apparently.... Some Here CAN'T Count !!!

Great post!

:hi:

[skooooo]

10. lol..true

[NC_Nurse]

11. Truly.

[Tatiana]

12. It was the huge black vote that put him over the top in Maine.

And the limousine liberals.

And the latte drinking elite.

[Occam Bandage]

18. Nonono, the problem there is that caucuses stopped counting after NV.

[newmajority]

25. Nevada didn't count either

at least after Obama ended up with more delegates, it didn't. :rofl:

[maine_raptor]

58. Don't forget the Lobster eaters.

Yea, and all us college educated making over 50 grand a year McMansion owning backwoods Mainers too.

Why I had to park way across town 'cause of all them limos to get there yesterday.

[mirrera]

66. I spilled my latte all over my carharts standing on line to not count...

[Red Zelda]

110. ROFL!

Good one.

[yellowcanine]

83. You forgot the moose vote. They went big for Obama. No moose in Ohio or Texas.

[yellowcanine]

84. Ah but the proportions of those states that went for Clinton do count.

But when it comes to states Clinton won it is "winner take all".

[Ken Burch]

116. Especially when you combine that vote with black liberal elitists drinking lattes IN limosines.

n/t.

[Ken Burch]

121. And the black elitists who drink lattes in limosine.

n/t.

[NJSecularist]

13. LOL

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MadBadger]

14. Trust me cali, Wisconsin won't count either.

[skooooo]

17. hope you're right!!!

[MadBadger]

19. He will clean up in Madison and Milwaukee IMO.

[Tatiana]

29. I hope you're right. I'm headed to Milwaukee to do my part.

:patriot:

[AllyCat]

94. I thought Racine and Kenosha might not count either. n/t

[cali]

37. thrilled to hear that Wisconsin won't count

Could you make it not count by a lot?

[MadBadger]

48. I think Obama will Own Madison, and do very well in Milwaukee.

Those are the two populated places in the state.

[Occam Bandage]

15. Don't forget "Florida and Michigan, despite not counting, actually count."

[Lefty-Taylor]

20. When Oregon goes for Barack, we won't count, either.

...because we vote in May. :(

[hogwyld]

77. I'll join ya in May

So Oregon won't count twice as much.

[VolcanoJen]

21. If I have anything to do with it...

... Ohio won't count, either. }( }(

[RazBerryBeret]

95. I'm with you, VolcanoJen...

Let's make Ohio NOT count BIG time!!!

[jpak]

22. AS MAINE GOES SO GOES....err...I forget the rest...

:nuke: :evilgrin: :nuke:

[Debi]

106. VERMONT!!!

Lattes all around :beer:

[democrank]

23. But...but

What happens if we end up with a number higher than what the establishment allows? I`m really worried about this. Things might get screwed up if we vote outside the box.

[sasquatch]

24. Nice post, Tom Cruise

:sarcasm:

























































:D

[K Gardner]

26. I swear Cali, its hard to believe I had you on ignore for a day a long time ago. I just wuvvvvvv you

now :-) :hi: :hug:

[KAZ]

39. One of DU's sharpest, in political matters.

Lord knows I've disagreed with him/her many times, but I'm thankful for their presence.

[angie_love]

27. LMAO!!! When you phrase it that way, its really quite hysterical

Hillary is really reaching isn't she?? And some of her supporters drink it all up. How many times do we have to hear, oh that state doesn't count its a caucus, oh that state doesn't count they have alot of blacks, oh that state doesn't count it has lots of latte liberals, oh that state doesn't count b/c they suck.

[FrenchieCat]

28. Well, we all know that Missouri only counted until

it didn't count anymore!

And Hawaii....well I'm sure that its statehood might even be questioned at this point, cause it sure ain't in the hell gonna count either!

Oh, and......American Samoa counted ....you forgot that!

[Danger Mouse]

31. Why do you hate America so much?

:kick: and recommend.

[asdjrocky]

32. I've never counted before-

I know I don't feel like I counted.

[Yael]

33. This is hilarious

and so sadly true.

Don't worry -- we are working to make sure that PA doesn't count either. :thumbsup:

[havocmom]

34. You forgot Poland

and Montana. ;)

[Dogmudgeon]

35. So much for the gracious victors.

:eyes:

--p!

[Occam Bandage]

40. What victories? They don't count.

[Dogmudgeon]

47. You sure pwned me, Dude.

Well-played -- and a well deserved gloat.

--p!

[cali]

45. Please lighten up. This wasn't meant in a gloating way

I think a lot of Senator Clinton and most of her supporters here. I think she's a formidable candidate and I beleive there's a very good chance that she'll be our nominee. If so, I'll vote for her wih pride.

[Dogmudgeon]

50. Wow.

I'll take your word for it, but I've seen many of your other attacks. But I take about 10 seconds to convince that things have ... uh ... changed.

:hi:

--p!

[cali]

51. I've said a lot of nice things about Hillary

but I do get pissed off at some of her supporters. I still like her though. I actually like her more and more as the primary season progresses.

:hi:

[TexasObserver]

36. EX-cell-ENT!!

Great post with great insight, powerfully presented.

Now we seque to the end of Godfather I, the christening of Carlo and Connie's baby.

"Michael, do you renounce Hillary?"

>>"I renounce her."

[skooooo]

38. lmao

:rofl:

[Laelth]

41. I agree. Utah doesn't count.

k&r ;)

-Laelth

[JBoy]

42. Ahh! Ahh! Ahh!

[Bright Eyes]

43. No, Maine counts!

Clinton is about to win!

Wait no, she lost....

Maine doesn't count:evilgrin:

[Windy]

44. No Cali, NH doesn't count cause Obama got one more delegate than Clinton! nt

[Dob Bole]

46. I could totally jump rope to this song....

JUMP ROPE!!!!!

[Laurab]

49. New York counts - but not so much as it should have! n/t

[Whisp]

52. the peoples abacas counts. lets see how Diebold works. ;)

[caseycoon]

53. Good one cali!

:rofl:

[DUyellow]

54. lol

[northzax]

55. you can add Nevada to the list of non counters

And replace it with Louisiana, south Carolina and missou. But that's just my personal belief that caucuses are patently undemocratic and should seriously be dropped as the passé relics of a faded age.

[northzax]

56. you can add Nevada to the list of non counters

And replace it with Louisiana, south Carolina and missou. But that's just my personal belief that caucuses are patently undemocratic and should seriously be dropped as the passé relics of a faded age.

[pampango]

57. Too many white voters in Maine. It wasn't fair.

:)

[Donna Zen]

123. The average yearly wage in Maine

is 26,000. Just Obama demographics everywhere ya go.

[nmvisitor]

59. "New Mexico probably counts" - I doubt it

We evidently can't count at all in this state (causcus votes from Super Tuesday still not tallied).

[Life Long Dem]

60. If so, this will be the last one they take from me.

It's about Super Tuesday and not about Super Delegates.

[wellstone dem]

61. Just send this in to the MSM

it will save them lots of investigation.

Thanks for the morning laugh!

[L0oniX]

62. The Lakota Sioux Indian Nation doesn't count

Lakota Sioux Secede From US, Declare Independence

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/21/5946/



“We are now a free country and independent of the United States of America,” Means said in a telephone interview. “This is all completely legal.”

[WYObama]

63. Ohio and Texas

probably won't count either, then!

[IronLionZion]

64. Cult!

[amb123]

65. Arizona counts - They went for Hillary too

I get it too. ;-) ;-) ;-)

[Yavapai]

100. Arizona Counts??

Hey, we live in Arizona and have been told many times that
we are a bunch of "no-accounts"! Please explain this obvious discrepancy.

B-)

[bunnies]

67. lol. perfect!

Any feel over there about whether VT will count? ;)

[cali]

69. Vermont won't count in a major way

When people ask me how I can know that without polls, I simply tell them that Hillary has raised $47,000 dollars here and Barack has raised over $400,000- more per capita than any other state. Than I tell them to look at our history: In 1988 we went strongly for Jackson and in 1992 we went for Jerry Brown.

[bunnies]

75. Excellent!

I couldnt imagine VT going for Clinton but its definitely nice to hear it from someone who is actually there. :bounce:

[Jennicut]

68. NM apparently doesn't know HOW to count

STILL counting those votes from Super Tuesday???? Jeez, what is taking so long? I guess I'm spoiled as I live in the very small state of CT but really, how long should it take to count ballots from last TUESDAY?

[Highway61]

70. Good one Cali

Now if we can give "Hi, I'm Thusan Collins and I am your (lock step with Bush) Thenator" the boot, we'll be on the right track...Yesterday, I was SO proud of Maine!

[Meshuga]

71. And to be short and not as detailed as your OP

In addition to your OP:

Everyone who endorsed Obama suck and is a traitor. Everyone who endorsed Hillary ROCKS!!!

[Strelnikov_]

72. "Everyone who endorsed Obama suck and is a traitor."

And who does that remind you of . .

[WYObama]

73. Geez!!

When you look at it, that's really a damned impressive list!!

Of course, I'm aware of the pre-dominantly African American-populated states of Alaska, Idaho, North Dakota, and Kansas. Didn't Jesse Jackson win those in 1984 and 1988? President Clinton, are you around to answer that for us?

[AlertLurker]

74. DIEBOLD counts.

[Usrename]

76. !

[bagrman]

78. Doesn't Oregon get t o play?

[hogwyld]

82. We won't count in May... n/t

[rosetta627]

79. :)

Very good. You SO get it.

[bigtree]

80. count the delegates

they will nominate, not the number of states won. on that score, Obama certainly has pulled ahead, but has to win the upcoming big states to stay ahead, or else, it could go back to even, with Clinton slightly ahead.

The premise of your post is a meme and a snippet of the arguments against the prospects for Obama in the race ahead. Obviously other points against the importance of these wins have been made. The response has been to point to some unknown momentum which is supposed to materialize in Texas and Ohio, bleeding into Pennsylvania. If Obama loses those three, this race will go back to even, so, best of luck to both.

[tbl92666]

85. Oh you Obamanistas are sooo clever

Love how you change the calculus for what ever winning means to make your guy the front runner. Good luck winning in November without those of us who don't count in your book -- you're guy isn't winning by that much no matter how you slice it. Its still about 50-50. I for one will never vote for your candidate because I think he's a phony and you are all full of s%^$#.

[PassingFair]

87. We're rubber, you're ...

[tbl92666]

89. Yeah...

That's about your level of maturity.

[AgadorSparticus]

117. o my freaking god, that is just too sinking funny!!! ROFL!!! nt

[cali]

90. um. you clintonites seem to miss the joke

this isn't about Obama winning- I don't think he is. It's about the numerous- and boy, do I mean numerous- posts by clintonites justifying why Obama's wins aren't really wins and don't count. You're right; it's about 50-50. And you have no sense of humor whatsoever. Furthermore, I'm clearly far superior to you as I WILL vote for the dem candidate. I'm not a whiny little freak.

[Ken Burch]

120. So you don't care if we get stuck with McCain and "more wars"?

Shame on you. Obama supporters and progressives will be much more loyal than DLC'ers in the fall. We were the ones who worked hardest for Kerry after the convention, after all.

[Kittycat]

86. OMG - I can't stop laughing

:rofl:

[Arugula Latte]

88. cali -- Looks like Kos might be a DU-lurker:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/11/121758/950/294/454307

[CoffeeCat]

91. I'm in Iowa and I'm truly dismayed to hear this...

I know at least 50 in my neighborhood who would be willing to
give up their lattes.

Four are only willing to give up the "foam".

Would we count then if these people went latte-free?

A functioning democracy is a decaffinated, foam-free democracy!

What about SUVs? Do we count if we drive SUVs?

I can't keep all of these rules straight!

[Debi]

107. Corn and cows don't count!

:hi:

[GrpCaptMandrake]

92. What you're pointing out here

is the ongoing philosophical difference between the Democratic Party's Big State Bi-coastal approach and Dr. Dean's Fifty State Strategy.

On the one hand, since at least 2000, the conventional wisdom is that Democrats should concede a certain HUGE section of the country to the Repiglickins and focus on the "delegate-rich" states. That theory was laid out best in the book "Whistling Past Dixie."

Conversely, the Fifty State Strategy says that Democrats in EVERY state are important and ought not be written off because they happen to live in a pre-conceived "red" state. I prefer this strategy, believing that the South is not forever lost if we only have the will to fight back.

Given the 16 years the Grand Ol' Perverts have invested in demonizing Hillary Clinton, especially in the South, it's not surprising we'd see her conceding the South and focusing on the delegate-rich states. By extension, it's also not surprising to see Obama going in the opposite direction, given the greater likelihood of his ability to motivate previously marginalized african american voters in that region.

[AllyCat]

93. Didn't I hear American Samoa didn't count either? n/t

[DiamondJay]

96. well how many of those states that Obama won can he get in the general?

11/18 states Obama won will NEVER vote for a dem in the general. that is 61 percent of his current primary wins will never be general election wins. 63 percent of Hillary's current wins WILL vote for a Dem. the rest for both are toss ups.

[yellowcanine]

97. It's a moot point. If nominated Obama will get the states Kerry won plus he will likely drag down

a few red/purple states - in particular, Ohio, Virginia, Missouri, Arkansas, New Mexico, Colorado, North Carolina, maybe Georgia, West Virginia, Florida.

[mohc]

98. President of the United States

That is the office being run for. Not President of the United Blue States. McCain is not running to be President of the United Red States. A Democrat in Wyoming is just as important as a Democrat in New York or California. California collectively has far more weight than Wyoming based solely on the fact that there are more Democrats in the state, not because the state is of greater value. This weight is represented in the number of delegates apportioned to the states. If Obama wins, it is not going to be because he won more states, much less more important states. It will be because he won more states by far larger margins than Clinton did. What state has so far given Obama his biggest delegate pull? California by a long shot, a state that he lost. It is silly to discount the level of support Obama has received in blue states. On the other hand, where Obama has won he has often won big. With the exception of Arkansas and Oklahoma, all of Clinton's wins have been relatively small, with Obama getting over 40% of the votes (with the obvious exception of states where there were still other viable candidates running). I find it quite ironic that now Clinton's chances now lie in two red states that by the accounts of many of her supporters should "not count".

[IndieLeft]

99. Awesome! You hit the nail right on the head.

[OneSelf]

101. I notice...

A troubling pattern here.
;-)

• Alaska doesn't count
  
• Louisiana doesn't count
  
• Nebraska doesn't count
  
• Washington doesn't count
  
• Connecticut doesn't count
  
• Illinois doesn't count
  
• Idaho doesn't count
  
• Iowa doesn't count
  
• Minnesota doesn't count
  
• Missouri doesn't count
  
• South Carolina doesn't count
  
• Kansas doesn't count
  
• Alabama doesn't count
  
• Georgia doesn't count
  
• Utah doesn't count
  
• Colorado doesn't count
  
• North Dakota doesn't count
  
• Delaware doesn't count
  
• The Virgin Islands don't count
  

[BeatleBoot]

115. You noticed it, too.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

102. You are so cool ! Oh-Bama !! nt

[iilana X]

103. LOL! k&r n/t

[iilana X]

104. LOL! k&r n/t

[sundancekid]

108. does this mean we have to give out PURPLE bandaids to the states

that DON'T count when we get to our convention?????

[Infinite Hope]

109. LMAO! n/t

[still_one]

112. Thanks /nt

[liberaltrucker]

113. You owe me a keyboard!

Beer and electronics don't mix very well!

:spray:

:rofl:

[graywarrior]

114. *snort* No wonder you have a gazillion hearts

[Iwillnevergiveup]

119. My mama and my daddy

say Maine counts! They are 87 years young and trekked out in a blinding snowstorm to caucus for Obama. My dad said he kept smiling at people and uttering, "Historic." They lost track of their ride home navigating around thousands at Portland High School, and decided to try to walk the 7 blocks home. They made it to the nearest corner and realized they were no match for the weather. They were concerned about falling and possible dual broken hips, they flagged down a car and got a ride home from a perfect stranger. Says a lot for Portland and senior determination, yes?

[XemaSab]

122. Update from California!

San Francisco, Sacramento, Alameda/Oakland, Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Plumas, Sierra, Nevada, Alpine, Mono, Marin, Sonoma, Yolo/Davis, Mendocino, Trinity, Humboldt, and (last but not least) Siskiyou counties don't count here either! :o

[mohc]

125. It's official

(projected anyway)

Virginia Doesn't Count!!!

[Tatiana]

126. I don't think Maryland is gonna count, either. n/t

[TheDonkey]

127. Bravo

[grantcart]

128. I am not on the fucking distribution list for the "Who counts memo"

Does Pa count or not

I cant sleep at night


Wisconsin is definitely out right?


Do Latino's count if they are in Virginia?


Whites making less than $50 count in Ohio Texas but may or may not count in PA??



This is getting more complicated than Apartheid in South Africa