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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:40 PM
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Why Clinton isn't a Leader
I was pretty surprised to see a link on Clinton's campaign website called "ATTACK TIMELINE!". When I went there, they actually have dedicated what are obviously hundreds, if not thousands of person-hours to creating the most vile piece of petty rubbish I have ever seen produced by a Presidential candidate. Here it is in all it's divisive glory: http://www.attacktimeline.com/

I wonder if Clinton will continue this site once she is President and instead of trying to work with the rest of America will spend millions of dollars trying to build her PR and poll ratings up. I think she believes her approval rating would be more important than policy.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:43 PM
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1. Thank god Obama wouldn't do anything like that
Oh--

wait


he did. (and first)

http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com/
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:46 PM
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6. Look at the difference in the sites... the point is how much effort has gone into it.
Obama has one page with links to FactCheck (an independent site).

Clinton's is a multimedia extravaganza. If she put more effort into posting her policies, maybe she'd be doing better.


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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:47 PM
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7. It doesn't really require that much effort
Obama gives her lots and lots of material.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:48 PM
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10. See what you want to see.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:49 PM
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12. you clearly do
Obama has the same exact kind of crap on his website --but you single out Hillary only for his?

One thing we can see easily though --Obama attacks Hillary way more often then the reverse.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:51 PM
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15. OR, Obama doesn't care about Clinton's attacks because they are baseless and divisive.
And Clinton cries more about stuff that isn't real. She is prone to crying you know.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:52 PM
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16. haw haw haw
you're as classy as your candidate.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:59 PM
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19. Well, I will say this... maddiejoan... you are certainly quite witty and sharp
And are a worthy, and classy, adversary in these discussions. Touché.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:04 PM
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20. I look forward to the end of the primaries
when my rapid snark will be appreciated by all ;)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:44 PM
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2. Wow that is very revealing
Are you sure her campaign is responsible?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:47 PM
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8. The Big "Paid for By Hillary Clinton" logo at the bottom of the page would indicate so.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:16 PM
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23. LOL I didn't scroll down that far - thanks!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:45 PM
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3. Are we SURE she's not a neocon in Democrat disguise?
Thats right Hillary, we want another divisive President to further your corporate agenda....
:puke:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:46 PM
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4. Wow.
That's pretty fucking pathetic.

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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:46 PM
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5. How can you be a leader if you can't inspire people to follow you? (nt)
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:47 PM
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9. Did you happen to forget that Obama began this first back in January?
http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com/

The website you're crying about was in response to his.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:48 PM
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11. See my response #6 above.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:51 PM
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13. see post #1
But who cares?

When Obama does it --it's cool and smart.

When Hillary does it --it's bad and nasty and evil.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:51 PM
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14. That's the "most vile" thing you've ever seen from a candidate?
Dang, I wish I was you.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:57 PM
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18. he said it was the most vile piece of petty rubbish...
not the MOST vile thing he's ever seen.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:05 PM
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21. You beat me to it. Thanks.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:53 PM
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17. You wonder?
Bank on it.

It is her 50.00001% strategy of scorched earth, divide and conquer, win at any cost.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:10 PM
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22. That's not the worst of it.
On her website, dead center of the screen, first entry under "On The Blog", says "Hillary Is The Democrat To Beat McCain." You'd think that it was perhaps a reasoned explanation for why she can do the job better than Obama. But click on it and you'll realize it's a bait and switch.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=33969

Rather than being a positive entry, it's essentially a hit piece directed at Obama. The first paragraph is a blurby statement in support of Clinton. This is followed by 6 paragraphs attacking Obama's credibility and attempting to debunk the many polls that showed him beating McCain while she either loses or barely wins. It goes so far in the sixth paragraph of saying that Obama would not be able to protect the country against future threats.

This is one of the reasons I don't support Hillary Clinton - she is using many of the same tactics that Republicans used in the 2004 election. I'm not one of those who agree that "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:36 AM
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26. P.S. Obama supporters...
I just started a separate thread on this hit piece that's been on Hillary Clinton's site for over a week now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4532097&mesg_id=4532097

Might wanna check it out and give a rec

:thumbsup:
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:38 AM
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30. This D does not want or respect Republican campaign tactics. O has figured out how to transcend 'em
the truth shall set you free

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:17 PM
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24. By the dates on the time-lines, Clinton's seem to be a response to a similar...
"ATTACK TIMELINE" Obama put up back on December 3, 2007 http://www.barackobama.com/hillaryattacks/2007/12/03/the_hillary_attacks_timeline.php Clinton's appears to have started up over a month later as when you follow the link backward you find this http://www.barackobama.com
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:44 AM
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28. WHOW--OBAMA IS NO LEADER--LOOK AT HIS ATTACH TIMELINE--!!
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:04 PM
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31. kick...
:kick:
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:56 PM
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25. Oh my. Very glitzy. Where's the Clinton on Obama timeline?
:boring:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:39 AM
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27. How do you expect her to hit back at the vile rubbish if she does not keep track of the vile??
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:47 AM
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29. "I wonder if Clinton will continue this site once she is President " hA-GLAD to see you think she
will be president.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:12 PM
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32. Yes, Hillary thought she could win on the power of gender sympathy.
That's been the gameplan all along. Get 60% of women, and make sure the vote is 60% female in the Democratic primary. But then Barry showed up last January, and turns out, he got game.
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