Thought I might be able to vote for one of them, but upon reflection,

[sjdnb]

maybe it will take the country sinking into a greater abyss (President John McCain) for everyone to wake up and realize it will take more than fancy words or the status quo to get us out of the cycle of manipulation/corruption/fraud/greed/injustice we're caught up in.

Edit: BTW - I'm not voting for McCain, just writing in the candidate I most believe in. Sorry if that doesn't serve the party -- but, at this point, the party has not served me.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. Ah... the old "radicalize the people" argument.

Aloha means good-bye


:hi:

[sjdnb]

4. No, it's the old 'why hasn't our party stood up' for what they supposedly believe in

argument ... including O/H - it's thoroughly disgusting.

[calico1]

27. Apparently the abyss isn't deep enough for some folks.

This is the Nader type mindset: We must let the country be in total ruins and then rebuild it. We have to destroy the country in order to save it. :eyes:

[CaptJasHook]

2. Your right, this Abyss just isn't great enough

:wtf:

[Webster Green]

3. Stupid..

Really, really stupid!:thumbsdown:

[sjdnb]

15. No, actually, a philosophical argument that many appear unable or unwilling

to engage in. The future of our country depends on people willing to stand up to the powers that now control it -- I've not seen that done by either party or either candidate substantively -- not my fault - just an observation. But, perhaps, you can enlighten me?

[Webster Green]

20. You think not voting is standing up to power?

Just vote for the best choice we have, please. That would be Obama.

If that fails I'll join you in the streets. Actually, I'll be the first one over the fence!:P

[sjdnb]

33. I'll vote, I just might write in who I think is best

rather than be told who I should think is best.

[ingac70]

5. I don't want the country to collapse! n/t.

[rpannier]

6. I thought the same thing... That may be I could have voted for one of them

Then I realized that...

McCain will keep us at war for the next milennium

and

Huckabee is crazier

So I can't vote for either of them.

So...I'm voting for the Dem nominee

[NanceGreggs]

7. Yeah, let's teach the entire country a lesson ...

... they'll never forget.

Good thinking.

:sarcasm:

[sjdnb]

10. Listen, the Civil War was difficult and deadly, but necessary

to make us realize/fight against what a deadly and morally corrupt path our country was on.

Right now, we are settling for the lesser of two evils - one that has resulted in a whole lot of hurt by American troops and Iraqis, not to mention the American Dream fading away for the vast majority of Americans.

And, neither party is standing up for us or peaceful solutions - check their voting records. And, those who try to are ignored, marginalized, or shot down by those who like things the way they are (aka those things serve their interests).

[NanceGreggs]

14. Have you noticed what BushCo has done to this country?

What do you think would be left of it after 4-8 years of McCain - or any other Republican?

This may come as a complete shock, but millions of Americans do not see Obama or Hillary as continuing along "a morally corrupt path".

But then I'm sure you know better than everyone else who sees things differently than you do ...

[sjdnb]

16. Hey, I hope they're right ...

then all will be good. I just question the fact that the party has, to date, not proven itself trustworthy, in that regard.

[NanceGreggs]

18. The party is US ...

... not any one individual. Our ultimate candidate's job doesn't stop the day the votes are counted - and neither does OURS.

[sjdnb]

29. Sorry, I've worked for many 'good guys and gals'

only to watch them be pushed aside or consumed by those in power. I don't want it to be that way, it is just the way that it is, and has been, for far too long.

There needs to be a major shake-up.

[Muttocracy]

8. I'm pretty sure we're in the abyss now n/t

[rwheeler31]

9. OK Do you like war?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

11. Like it took WWII to wake up the Germans?

Let's not underestimate the importance of this election, or the stakes that are involved. If McCain is elected it could very well mean full scale war in the mid-east. We won't be talking about a few thousand U.S. soldiers dead, and a few hundred thousand Iraqis. We will have death tolls counted in the MILLIONS.

I'll be honest, I would very much prefer Obama to be elected this fall to Hillary. But I'll take either of them in a second vs. McCain or any other conservative warmonger.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

12. This is my question:

Who will "get us out of the cycle of manipulation/corruption/fraud/greed/injustice we're caught up in"? Hillary standing up to the Republicans? Obama reaching across the aisle? I can't get whipped up into a frenzy like so many DUers ... I think the country is too far gone for any candidate.

[TwilightGardener]

13. Won't just teach US a lesson if McCain is Prez--it'll teach the Iraqis and IRANIANS a lesson too!

[bluestateguy]

17. How did that logic work out for Ralph Nader?

A write in vote for a non-candidate (which some states don't even count in the totals) is objectively the same as a vote for McCain.

[AndyTiedye]

19. Doesn't Work! Every Loss Drives the Democratic Party Further to the Right

Since they can't get your vote, they pander even more to the "swing" voters, who always seem to care more about gay marriage than they do about endless war and our jobs being exported.

[zalinda]

22. So you are saying that when Bill Clinton

won and ran the second time with large poll numbers, he went to the left? Or did he go to the right? The left has really been taken out of the equation since Jimmy Carter. Maybe they are punishing us because Carter tried to do then what we must do now.

zalinda

[AndyTiedye]

26. The Pendulum Only Moves in One Direction

It moves more to the right every time we lose. It never moves to the left.

[sjdnb]

28. BC staved off the right by outsmarting them IMO

However, Carter's campaigns were the ones I threw my body and soul into before Gore and, then, Edwards. I had kind of started with Bobby K and McGovern, but I was young, inexperienced, and not of much help.

But, by the time Carter ran, I knew what I was doing.

I still believe he did a lot of unrecognized good and would have led this country were it needed to go (and, still needs to go). His Presidency could have been remembered as FDR-like, if not for his naively believing that democratic principles could trump the entrenched powers in Washington at the time and that people (esp. public servants) were inherently good. Unfortunately, IMO, he didn't 'get' the beltway.

[AndyTiedye]

30. He Lurched to the Right After Our Devastating Loss in 1994

…when we lost both the House and Senate, big time. The Democratic Party still has not recovered from that loss, even though we have taken back both houses, on paper, at least.

[Danger Mouse]

21. I'm sorry, but that's a rather foolish position to take.

Many people would suffer greatly under McCain. There blood would also be on your hands.

[readmoreoften]

23. Well, our votes don't matter anyway or I'd be fretting about it too.

Unless there is pressure applied to predatory corporate behavior nothing will change: not our foreign policy, not our debt, not our future. Neither candidate is offering anything in the way of change. Our votes don't matter. We'll still be in Iraq in 2012--unless we need our troops to invade, oh, I don't know Venezuela or Pakistan. We won't go to Iran because that has "Bush Years" written all over it. But we'll go somewhere. Halliburton and the Carlyle Group will so decree.

Yeah, I'll vote but only so no one can bitch me out about it. I have zero faith in our democracy anymore.

[JCMach1]

24. Don't fall into the Nader trap, that's a very dark place

you don't want to go!

[cali]

25. I don't trust political purists

There's something wrong with them. Do whatever. And continued announcing it over and over. It still won't be impressive.

[McCamy Taylor]

31. This IS the abyss, dude. We are there. Look around. This is hell.

:nuke:

Have a nice stay.

[Drunken Irishman]

32. I'm sorry to hear that, sjdnb.

Hopefully Obama can win you over when he wins the nomination (if, I should say).

[stillcool]

34. You can get off on any floor...

you do not have to take the elevator all the way down to the bottom.