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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:00 AM
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Former deputy assistant sec. of the Treasury under Clinton already called out Krugman
January 15, 2008

Stimulus Packages: Edwards, Clinton, Obama

I think Paul Krugman has got this one wrong. He writes:

Responding to Recession - New York Times: John Edwards... driving his party’s policy agenda... has done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures. Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens....

The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?

Bear in mind that I don't yet believe that the case for a fiscal stimulus is strong--although I may change my mind in a month or two, depending on how the data flow looks. The principal organization for successful stabilization policy is the Federal Reserve. Congress and the president have a role to play only in two situations: first, if monetary policy has shot its bolt and cannot do anything more--and we are far from that point--and second, if the Federal Reserve has been caught flat-footed in the wrong policy position, unemployment is rising rapidly, and it is important to get cash quickly into the hands of people who will spend it and so keep the rise in unemployment from being as large. We are not there yet--at least I don't think so--but we may be there in three months.

From this perspective Obama's plan looks pretty good:

Obama stimulus package emphasizes quick cash in hand: a $250 tax credit to 150 million workers to offset the payroll tax paid on the first $8,100 of earnings. He urged a further $250 tax credit per worker if employment declines three months in a row. He also would give a one-time, $250 payment to Social Security recipients who would not benefit from the tax credit, followed by another $250 payment if employment declines three months straight. The immediate relief would cost $45 billion, plus another $45 billion if the economy weakened...

The plan is clean: there is no place for lobbyists to hang ornaments on it--which means that quick passage is possible. The first $45 billion of checks could be cut and sent out with this April's tax refunds. It meets Elmendorf and Furman's http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2008/0110_fiscal_stimulus_elmendorf_furman/0110_fiscal_stimulus_elmendorf_furman.pdf requirements that a fiscal stimulus be timely and temporary. It does not do so well on "targeted"--it doesn't do a great job at making sure the money gets to people who will spend it and thus boost aggregate demand--but this is at least partly offset by its simplicity, which is indeed essential if we are going to get the timely and the temporary right.

John Edwards's and Hillary Rodham Clinton's plans look, to me, likely to be less effective. Consider Hillary Rodham Clinton's:

Talking Points Memo | Clinton offers economic stimulus plan: a $30 billion housing crisis fund to help states and localities deal with the fallout of foreclosures... ease the effects of vacant properties with anti-blight programs and helping local housing authorities buy and rent out vacant properties. Setting a 90-day moratorium on subprime mortgages of at least five years, or until housing lenders have converted mortgages into loans families can afford. The proposal also would increase the portfolio caps at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Providing $25 billion in emergency energy assistance for families facing rising heating bills.... Providing $10 billion to extend unemployment insurance for those struggling to find work while supporting families. Providing $5 billion in energy efficiency by doing such things as giving tax credits to encourage purchases of low emission vehicles and efficient appliances windows and other clean technologies. She also proposes funds to train and put to work people making public buildings more energy efficient...

These are all worthy causes--things that the government should be spending more money on. But this is not a bill that can be passed quickly--the housing provisions, at least, are one of those things where the devil is in the details of the drafting and where quick, clean passage and implementation is almost impossible. Funds to train and put to work people making public buildings more energy efficient--well, those aren't timely. The proposal is not Obama's: we are going to stimulate demand by cutting a lot of identical checks via a refundable tax credit--a thing that the government can do well and quickly. And this, I think, matters a lot. As Stan Collender wrote last Thursday:

Christmas 2008 May Be Coming Early For Lobbyists | Capital Gains and Games: A tax lobbyist friend told me yesterday that he's gone into the economic stimulus business. In response to my inquiring look that begged for more information, he said that I'd be surprised how many industries and professions have tax reductions that they want in any economic stimulus package that is considered this year and are looking to him to come up with arguments that confirm they will, indeed, be stimulative. In other words, even though it hasn't yet been introduced, the economic stimulus that has become all the rage in Washington these days has already become a Christmas tree with everyone and anyone who has something they want to do trying to reframe that proposal in terms of its positive impact on the economy. In case anyone hasn't noticed, this includes the White House, with the president all but saying that the reason the economy may be slowing is because of uncertainty about whether the tax cuts enacted during his administration will be extended when they expire in 2010. None of this is suprising. Even though its chances of being enacted are small, an economic stimulus bill may be the only thing that actually moves through the legislative process this year. In lobbyist parlance: it may be the only train leaving the station in 2008. But no matter how good the messaging, loading up the bill with a variety of provisions is one of the things most likely to lead to its demise. It will be too big, too political, too expensive, and take far too long to debate and pass.

The best way to keep a stimulus bill from becoming a lobbyist-pleasing ineffective and destructive Christmas tree in which a lot of the money goes to people who won't spend it and a lot more to people who shouldn't get it is to keep the legislative vehicle simple and clean. Boosting employment in the short term by cutting a lot of identical checks by April if we need to is something congress and the IRS can do. And Obama's plan seems to me to have the best chance of doing that--if he can sign Pelosi and Reid up to move a clean, focused bill.

John Edwards and Hillary Rodham Clinton and their staffs--they don't seem to have grasped that governance is best when you ask congress to do things that are within its competence, and ask the administrative branch to do things that are within its competence. They might respond that these stimulus packages are political rather than policy documents--acts of campaigning rather than acts of governance--and they are right, up to a point.


James Bradford DeLong (b. June 24, 1960, Boston) is a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley and a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the United States Department of the Treasury in the Clinton Administration. He is also a research associate of the National Bureau of Economic Research, and is a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.<1>

DeLong is co-editor of The Economists' Voice,<2> and has in the past been co-editor of the widely read Journal of Economic Perspectives. He is also the author of a textbook, Macroeconomics, the second edition of which he coauthored with Martha Olney. He writes a monthly syndicated op-ed column for Project Syndicate.

As an official in the Treasury Department in the Clinton administration, he worked on the 1993 budget, on the Uruguay Round of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, on the North American Free Trade Agreement, on the unsuccessful health care reform effort, and on other policies.

He writes a weblog, Brad DeLong's Semi-Daily Journal, which covers political, technical, and economic issues as well as criticism of their coverage in the media; he also contributes to Shrillblog and maintains a political commentary site, Egregious Moderation.

DeLong is both a liberal in the modern American political sense and a free trade neo-liberal. He is part of a loose grouping of center-left bloggers who include Kevin Drum (formerly "CalPundit") of The Washington Monthly, Joshua Micah Marshall of Talking Points Memo, Matt Yglesias of The Atlantic Monthly, Ezra Klein, and the group webloggers of Obsidian Wings, The RBC, and Crooked Timber, among others. He is also part of a lively grouping of economics-focused webloggers including Mark Thoma of Economist's View, Tyler Cowen and Alex Tabarrok of Marginal Revolution, Dani Rodrik, George Borjas, Andrew Samwick of Vox Baby, Jim Hamilton and Menzie Chinn of Econobrowser, Max Sawicky of Max Speak, You Listen!, and Brad Setser of Roubini Global Economics, among others.

DeLong lives in suburban Lafayette, California, and is married to Ann Marie Marciarille <3>, AARP Health and Aging Policy Research Fellow at Pacific McGeorge's Capital Center for Government Law and Policy <4>. He received his Ph.D. from Harvard University in 1987. Before moving to Berkeley, he taught at Harvard, Boston University, and MIT.


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:05 AM
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1. That's not all krugman has "wrong".
There's lots of Obama supporters who see a candidate who wants to change how business is done in DC and we don't appreciate being called cultists. I know some friends and relatives here in New York who will laugh when I tell them what people like paul krugman is saying about our being "cultists".

You throw out that term to millions of supporters and you're goin' get Backlash, baby.

"The Cult Meme was also used against Howard Dean. It’s the attempt by the Force of Inertia to stop progress. It’s Cynicism trying to validate itself by keeping things static."
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:07 AM
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2. good post.
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Phil McCavity Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:08 AM
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3. Wow, that's a lot of text. Let me translate for the rest of DU'ers
"Paul Krugman just wrote a piece that I disliked, therefore I will find words by a person who once disagreed with Krugman in an issue not related to the "cult of personality" claim, and I admit I do not if Krugman or the ex-treasurer was right."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:11 AM
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4. Here a shorter piece:

Krugman Wrong on Obama and Mandates

It’s not often that I take issue with Paul Krugman’s economics (at least not recently), but he does misrepresent the issues in going after Obama on health insurance mandates.

The simple story is that any effort to establish national health insurance will require some anti-free loader mechanism to prevent gaming. The logic is straightforward. Everyone agrees that we want to get rid of the current practice under which insurers are allowed to charge fees based on people’s health. Under this system, people with serious illnesses either must pay exorbitant fees or are unable to get insurance altogether. (Insurance companies lose money if they insure people with high bills.)

Under a reformed system, we will require a standard fee under which everyone pays the same rate regardless of their health history. However, this creates a situation in which it doesn’t make sense for healthy people to pay for insurance. Why not just deal with minor health related costs out of pocket? You can wait until you get sick and then buy into the system and pay the standard rate.

That works for healthy people, but it would destroy the system because the only people buying insurance would be those with relatively high bills. This means that insurance would be very expensive, which of course encourages more people to play the “wait till I’m sick strategy.” The end result is that the system collapses, because only the very sick would ever find it worthwhile to buy insurance.

One way around this problem is to mandate that everyone buy insurance. Senator Clinton has proposed a mandate as an explicit part of her plan. Senator Obama has attacked Clinton for this mandate (sometimes unfairly). By contrast, he has suggested that we can get near universal enrollment through other mechanisms. Specifically, he has suggested that we can have a system of default enrollment, whereby people are signed up for a plan at their workplace.

People would then have the option to say that they do not want insurance, so they are not being forced to buy it. However, they will then face a late enrollment penalty if they try to play the “healthy person” game. When they do opt to join the system, at some future point, they will have to pay 50 percent more for their insurance, or some comparable penalty for trying to game the system.

A system of default enrollment will ensure that people do not remain uninsured due to inertia. A system of late enrollment penalties will ensure that people don’t try to game the system.

Is the Obama mix as good at reaching universal or near universal insurance as the Clinton mandate? The reality is we don’t know. It will depend on many factors, most importantly the sanctions that are imposed under both systems (i.e. the penalty for not getting insurance with the mandate, and the late enrollment penalty in the Obama system). Krugman is wrong to say that a mandate is necessary. We can get to the same place with Obama’s approach; it really depends on the details.

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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:13 AM
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5. good information !
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 09:45 AM
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6. Yeah, and
no attacks on candidates supporters!
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