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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:15 AM
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Krugman: Hate Springs Eternal
Krugman, today (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin):

In 1956 Adlai Stevenson, running against Dwight Eisenhower, tried to make the political style of his opponent’s vice president, a man by the name of Richard Nixon, an issue. The nation, he warned, was in danger of becoming “a land of slander and scare; the land of sly innuendo, the poison pen, the anonymous phone call and hustling, pushing, shoving; the land of smash and grab and anything to win. This is Nixonland.”

The quote comes from “Nixonland,” a soon-to-be-published political history of the years from 1964 to 1972 written by Rick Perlstein, the author of “Before the Storm.” As Mr. Perlstein shows, Stevenson warned in vain: during those years America did indeed become the land of slander and scare, of the politics of hatred.

And it still is. In fact, these days even the Democratic Party seems to be turning into Nixonland.

The bitterness of the fight for the Democratic nomination is, on the face of it, bizarre. Both candidates still standing are smart and appealing. Both have progressive agendas (although I believe that Hillary Clinton is more serious about achieving universal health care, and that Barack Obama has staked out positions that will undermine his own efforts). Both have broad support among the party’s grass roots and are favorably viewed by Democratic voters.

Supporters of each candidate should have no trouble rallying behind the other if he or she gets the nod.

Why, then, is there so much venom out there?

I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We’ve already had that from the Bush administration — remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don’t want to go there again.

What’s particularly saddening is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of “Clinton rules” — the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent.

The prime example of Clinton rules in the 1990s was the way the press covered Whitewater. A small, failed land deal became the basis of a multiyear, multimillion-dollar investigation, which never found any evidence of wrongdoing on the Clintons’ part, yet the “scandal” became a symbol of the Clinton administration’s alleged corruption.

During the current campaign, Mrs. Clinton’s entirely reasonable remark that it took L.B.J.’s political courage and skills to bring Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to fruition was cast as some kind of outrageous denigration of Dr. King.

And the latest prominent example came when David Shuster of MSNBC, after pointing out that Chelsea Clinton was working for her mother’s campaign — as adult children of presidential aspirants often do — asked, “doesn’t it seem like Chelsea’s sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?” Mr. Shuster has been suspended, but as the Clinton campaign rightly points out, his remark was part of a broader pattern at the network.

I call it Clinton rules, but it’s a pattern that goes well beyond the Clintons. For example, Al Gore was subjected to Clinton rules during the 2000 campaign: anything he said, and some things he didn’t say (no, he never claimed to have invented the Internet), was held up as proof of his alleged character flaws.

For now, Clinton rules are working in Mr. Obama’s favor. But his supporters should not take comfort in that fact.

For one thing, Mrs. Clinton may yet be the nominee — and if Obama supporters care about anything beyond hero worship, they should want to see her win in November.

For another, if history is any guide, if Mr. Obama wins the nomination, he will quickly find himself being subjected to Clinton rules. Democrats always do.

But most of all, progressives should realize that Nixonland is not the country we want to be. Racism, misogyny and character assassination are all ways of distracting voters from the issues, and people who care about the issues have a shared interest in making the politics of hatred unacceptable.

One of the most hopeful moments of this presidential campaign came last month, when a number of Jewish leaders signed a letter condemning the smear campaign claiming that Mr. Obama was a secret Muslim. It’s a good guess that some of those leaders would prefer that Mr. Obama not become president; nonetheless, they understood that there are principles that matter more than short-term political advantage.

I’d like to see more moments like that, perhaps starting with strong assurances from both Democratic candidates that they respect their opponents and would support them in the general election.

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:16 AM
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1. Obama's opponents are pimping Krugman in a weird kind of way
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:19 AM
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3. David Shuster?
:wow:
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:22 AM
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6. It hurts, doesn't it, that Krugman
is not in Obama's camp?

Anyway, the most important thing is his last paragraph!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:24 AM
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7. Hasn't hurt one bit, actually
and it's funny to watch The Mighty Krugman, who probably thought he brought Obama down five columns ago, keep trying to have an impact.
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:33 AM
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13. If it hasn't hurt, I think it should
The most important reason is his column last Monday (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html):

"Mr. Gruber finds that a plan without mandates, broadly resembling the Obama plan, would cover 23 million of those currently uninsured, at a taxpayer cost of $102 billion per year. An otherwise identical plan with mandates would cover 45 million of the uninsured — essentially everyone — at a taxpayer cost of $124 billion."
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:35 AM
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14. Opinions, opinions
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:42 AM
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24. Yes, I've read Reich, he is one of my big heroes
- but I think Krugman and Gruber are right. Thanks for the debate, gotta go!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:45 AM
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25. What a vile thing to say--you need to wash your mouth out with soap!
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:18 AM
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2. Krugman has been spending WAAAAAAAY too much time on DU.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:20 AM
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5. Exactly - this isn't what's happening in Kansas and Nebraska
I'm supporting Obama during the the primary, and I really like Krugman, but I'm not sure where he's been spending his time. From his column:

"I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody."

I'm not exactly sure you can point to one side or the other as being more venemous. I know it's ruff and tumble on the blogs and political boards, but in Iowa or Nebraska, can you really say there's "venom" out there? Then there's this:

"For one thing, Mrs. Clinton may yet be the nominee — and if Obama supporters care about anything beyond hero worship, they should want to see her win in November."

I don't know where he's getting the impression that Obama supporters will not support Hillary. I for one, see it as possibly going the other way on that. Regardless, I'll end up voting for whomever the Democratic candidate is.

It's too bad for a writer of such esteem. I think he's just really making his push for his preferred candidate, but the points he's trying to make, seem only to make sense on such forums as DU : Primaries.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:29 AM
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11. Michelle Obama when asked would not commit to support the Dem nominee if it wasn't Barak Obama
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:37 AM
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18. She was asked if she'd "work to support" Hillary - not "commit to support".
Nice try.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:37 AM
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17. OK, I admit it. I'm Paul Krugman.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:40 AM
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19. No, I am Spartacus!
er... I mean Krugman.

:P
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:20 AM
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4. Krugman speaks the truth.......he must read DU
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:26 AM
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8. But we all know that DU is FAR from representing the
real world. I live in MD and everyone I've spoken to, speaks well of both candidates and is more than willing to vote for whomever the Democratic nominee may be...although they are leaning towards one or the other for the primary. I suspect this is true in "real-life" where you live too.



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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:30 AM
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12. not really cuz my family is only 1 of the 30 that live in 340 square miles
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:26 AM
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9. wow after reading that
I am starting to wonder if krugman is getting paid. Maybe that's what Hillary needed the extra 5 million for.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:28 AM
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10. I heard a voter on Sam Seder's show I think
who said she voted for Obama because the volunteers in his campaign were exceptionally polite and well-mannered --- whereas Clinton's were rude and overbearing.

I don't think Krugman has heard all sides.



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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:35 AM
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15. So,she is voting for the campaign workers? And if she posted here, what then?
She would give up on the Dems and go vote for the Greens, I guess.

That post made no sense at all.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:41 AM
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23. Yes, I thought it was dumb of her to vote for that reason.
But her observations were worth reporting.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:36 AM
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16. Oh, Krugman...
Why have you waded into this mess? To write about the health care plans was fine, but now you are taking sides in a bitter partisan battle, without even the pretense of discussing economics.

Somewhere along the line you have gone from a thoughtful columnist to a political surrogate, complete with the same old pre-packaged talking points (Obama voters are mean, his followers are a cult, the media is out to get Hillary). It's just about all you write about now -- You've done enough anti-Obama columns that you are starting to rival Taylor Marsh.

C'mon, man, get out of the gutter. Your credibility is suffering.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:40 AM
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21. so anyone who doesn't support Obama are gutter dwellers?
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:23 AM
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26. You willfully misinterpret me.
Plenty of good, decent people support both candidates. However, the fact that he is parroting the Clinton campaign's latest talking points word-for-word is very disappointing to me.

I have come to expect thought-provoking analysis and discussion of policy from Krugman, and all I see is slander towards half of the Democratic party ("cult", "venomous"), and the same partisan cliches I could read at HillaryIs44. Oh, except at the end he throws in a "Let's all get along" twist (Did his editor make him put that in?).

He can support whomever he wants. While I was disappointed in his column on mandates, though I was surprised at his vitriol, I didn't begrudge him his opinion. But now he has dropped any pretense of policy analysis and is just throwing partisan poo. If Novak, Noonan, or Dowd were doing it, I wouldn't even blink an eye, since they already live in the gutter. But Krugman had some pretense of being a public intellectual who was above the fray, and now he has completely blown it, IMO. Yes, he has entered the gutter, and yes, I think it will affect his credibility in the future.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:40 AM
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20. Some people, including me, have issues with Krugman
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:41 AM
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22. I'll see Krugman's "cult" and raise him one "hysterical".
He's getting there. Love the guy, but does he really want to hop in the mud with the rest of us?
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:50 AM
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27. That Nixonland speech was written by John Kenneth Galbraith
- and he persuaded Stevenson to give it - in case you didn't know!
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