Will you support the Democratic Nominee?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

Poll question: Will you support the Democratic Nominee?

Hillary Supporters -- Will you Support Obama, if he gets the nomination?
Obame Supporters -- Will you Support Hillary, if she gets the nomination?

Just to clarify, this poll assumes that the candidate you currently support is not successful in getting the nomination.

[IndianaJones]

1. yes. nt.

[IndianaJones]

2. dupe. nt.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

3. Am Not!

Just kidding. If something similar to this was posted over the weekend, then I didn't see it.

And I was curious to see if there were limits to the seemingly-limitless acrimony.

[Kittycat]

6. Not to be rude, but something similar is posted at least 2x/day around here.

It just gets quickly buried amongst the sewage.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

7. Yeah that was a litle rude...

I looked back through the past 24 hours and nothing of this nature had been posted. And I'm sure I wouldn't be curious to know the answer to the question if I had seen it posted twice a day.

[Kittycat]

30. No, that wasn't being rude.

That was saying how there is so much crap in the forum, that anything posted gets buried and reposted again. And crap as in hit and run, flamebait posts. And so you know, there was a thread like that late last night, because I voted it in - and earlier that day.

ETA: The comment was more about all the garbage, not about your poll - which is way I said, "Not being rude".

[spinbaby]

4. I'll cheerfully vote for either Clinton or Obama

I'll be slightly happier about it if it's Obama, but Clinton is fine, too.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

5. That's where I am, too...

I think that McCain is going to be a train-wreck when the General Election gets underway.

1) His military record will come under renewed scrutiny.
2) His role in the Keating Five will be rehashed.
3) Conservatives hate his guts.

The "political hell" for McCain right now it that with Huckabee still in the race, he has to either a) campaign against the religious right and cause them to sit out the election or b) campaign as being more acceptable to the religious right than Huckabee, thus driving moderate voters toward the Democratic ticket.

If Democrats work together, we can win the White Hosue and increase our majorities in the House and Senate. President Clinton? President Obama? Either one sounds good to me.

[abluelady]

8. Remember the Supreme Court. eom

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

9. If you're thinking of supporting somebody else...

By that I mean, somebody other than the Democratic nominee, remember that BOTH the Supreme Court and basic civil liberties are at stake here.

I don't care how much you might dislike Hillary and/or Obama, neither of them will continue the Bush policies of secret surveillance and continued attempts to undermine a woman's right to choose.

If you care at all about these issues, there's no such thing as a "protest vote" for a third party candidate.

[abluelady]

10. Exactly!

Our justices are growing old. And so much of what happens in this country ends up at the Supreme Court. Remember why we have President Moron.

[bpeale]

15. you can't know any of that for a fact

candidates make promises all the time to get you to vote for them. that is not unusual. neither is it unusual for them not to carry out those promises. the dems have helped to put Thomas, Roberts and Alito on the bench. so it comes down to picking your poison.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

33. For a Fact? No...

But I find it hard to believe that either Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama would appoint an anti Roe v. Wade justice to the Supreme Court. And I find it hard to believe that either would continue a program of warrantless wiretapping.

On the other hand, John McCain has announced that he would appoint an anti Roe v. Wade justice and I can certainly see him, with his "100 Years In Iraq" policy, of continuing and expanding the erosion of our civil liberties.

[bpeale]

40. self-delete dupe

[bpeale]

41. with the record of our dems helping out the repugs

i don't expect much of them. unless there is complete turnover of the current dems in favor of new dems, i don't see much changing. and all this "reach across the aisle" bullshit gives me even less hope. and there is NO HOPE our dems will actually do what we hired them to do.

[bpeale]

42. again self-deleted dupe

[bpeale]

43. what the hell is with DU today & all these dupes? self-deleted

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

45. I'm not going that far....

I fell for that "No Difference Between Republicans and Democrats" meme in 2000 and voted for Nader. Frankly, if you can't tell the difference between Republicans and Democrats, then you haven't been paying attention. Look at the last four years of Clinton (a DLC Democrat through and through) and the first four years of Bush -- do you need a more stark comparison?

And while I'm pissed at the Congressional Democrats for not showing more spine in the past two years, they don't have a majority large enough to make the kind of changes we would like. I would certainly recommend voting for the most progressive Democrat in any primary (including Pelosi's), but I would never vote for the Republican.

No way. No how.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

46. I had the same problem yesterday...

I think there are still some server bugs out there.

[bpeale]

13. the supreme court is meaningless if there is no rule of law

edited to add: our dems helped to make that supreme court what it is. ignore THAT at your own peril.

[WinkyDink]

11. Yes. I vote for the Democratic Party's principles, though their flag-bearer may be flawed.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

12. I was just thinking of your avatar the other day...

I was think of Khephra, of course, and other DUer's who, sadly, won't be withus on Election Night in 2008. Did you know him?

[Irishonly]

14. Supreme Court

Enough said. Now if Congress would hold off confirming the 180 judicial nominees we may have a snowball's chance in July of getting some balance in the judicial branch.

[suston96]

16. Only if Florida and Michigan delegates are allocated - now -

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

17. You'll cast your vote based on party by-laws?

Seriously, now.

Not the war in Iraq?
Not the loss of civil liberties?
Not the rule of corporations and lobbyists?

But whether the Party allocates its delegates to your liking?

:shrug:

[suston96]

19. My liking? Hardly. More like whether the historic champion of voting rights ......

...aggressively supports the one person one vote dogma that is the basis of a democracy.

[SteppingRazor]

24. I gotta say, as a Floridian, I blame the Florida Dem. Party, not the DNC.

The FDP knew what would happen if they moved the primary up, and they did it anyway. Bitching about the punishment when they're the ones who went against the by-laws doesn't make any sense -- they made their own bed, and now we've all got to lie in it. Mind you, I expect primary elections to be better-codified in time for 2012, but I don't blame the DNC for enforcing its own rules, and I don't expect our delegates to be seated this time around. But then again, as a Floridian, I'm used to my vote not counting. :P

[suston96]

29. As long as the states are the prime movers and holders of elections.....

....bullshit like this must be expected, expected but not tolerated.

It is time for federal elections - President, Vice President, Congresspeople to be standardized by Congress. It has the authority from the Constitution to do this.

This could easily include preliminary elimination rounds (primaries) followed by a general election, using standardized printed ballots.

Something like they do in the newer but backward democracies where the poor slobs don't even have electoral colleges.

[red2blue]

18. i will vote for the strongest candidate..

Dem or Rep

The number one job for the President is to protect the country.

If I think that the the Dem's choice it not the best for that job i will vote for the Rep.

[ronnykmarshall]

20. I'll vote for him if he's the nominee.

That's it.

[Meshuga]

25. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee.

That's it.

[ronnykmarshall]

21. Dupe

sorry something went loco

[Meshuga]

26. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee.

That's it.

[ronnykmarshall]

22. Dupe 2

loco again

[Meshuga]

27. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee.

That's it.

[MrCoffee]

23. I'll be holding my nose in November regardless of who gets the nomination.

I don't like either of them, but I'll vote for the Democrat.

[Pathwalker]

28. I'm beginning to wonder why people are posting these polls

on a daily basis. I'm also wondering if people are working to get people banned after the convention, since it's been announced that the Administrators know how everyone votes in the polls. That's why I stopped voting in the daily "will you support the nominee" threads two weeks ago - I see no point in continuing to vote on a daily basis - I just don't change my mind every day.

[HooptieWagon]

31. Another daily bait thread

Enough already.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

32. Thanks for casting aspersions on someone you don't know...

You'll notice first of all, that there's been no flaming on this thread (until now). And a check through the past several days of the archives shows that this particular question has not been raised. But the long and the short of it is this -- if you don't want to participate in a poll, then don't participate.

I have a genuine interest in knowing if all the acrimony we've been seeing on the boards lately is going to translate into people who really aren't going to vote Democratic if their candidate doesn't get the nomination -- or if their degree of support will be limited to voting only (no grassroots activism). It's a legitimate question.

As to Post #28 -- Nobody is going to get banned because they announce that they're not going to support the Democratic nominee. I think I can speak for the Moderators and for Skinner when I say that reasonable, thoughtful conservatives are welcome here to join in the debate. You're not going to get banned because you didn't pass some arbitrary "purity test."

Edit: Based on this morning's results, it would appear that about a third of the respondents with either vote for another candidate or vote for, but not actively support, the Democratic nominee. I find that interesting becuase, assuming that the poll wasn't Freeped by lurkers, a third of the Democratic base plans to disengage with the part if their candidate isn't nominated. I find that both interesting and ominous. You know how everybody around here is salivating because the Religous Right hates McCain? Maybe we have troubles of our own that are equal to his.

[HooptieWagon]

37. You obviously have spent time on DU

So you should know that one of these bait polls gets started every few days. Do you seriously need to start another? Do you really think there will be a different result this time?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

39. Let me reiterate...

I checked back over 48 hours and saw no similar poll posted (and none has been posted since). I personally haven't seen this question posed -- as a poll -- at any time in recent weeks. If it was posted previously, then it dropped pretty quickly because I never saw it. Beyond that, as the campaign situation is always fluid (i.e., Edwards dropping out two weeks ago), posting this poll periodically is entirely appropriate -- it's not like people aren't posting the results of daily tracking polls around here.

If you read through the thread, you'll find little to no flaming going on here. I'm not interested in flaming someone for their opinion -- I want to know the consensus of DU. If you're tired of polls like these, don't read them. Put me on Ignore. Whatever.

[aquarius dawning]

34. you should have an "unsure" option. nt

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

35. That's a very good point...

I was wondering just today how many of these are "heat of the battle" responses. Come August, once people have calmed down a little, I wonder how many of the diehards will come around and support the candidate regardless.

[Lorien]

38. I'd have to vote "unsure" at this point

I'm no fan of the DLC, so I'm not exactly happy about only having DLC candidates to choose from. I don't see any real differences in policy between them. As someone who is extremely concerned about the environment, I have no heroes to look to in this election. I read Obama's site last night and was appalled to see how weak his stand was on that issue. His strong support of biofuels will only make a number of situations worse. I suspect that HRC's ideas aren't much better. :-(

[terrya]

36. I'll vote for Obama if he's the nominee

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. I'll probably be writing in a candidate. Unless, Mike Gravel wins.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

47. Depending on where you live...

You can't write in a candidate for a federal election. I pretty sure that your only choices are what's on the ballot.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. Sure you can.

Every ballot I've ever voted on has a write-in option.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

50. In Ohio...

You have to file a Declaration of Intent to be considered as a write-in candidate. So if you wrote in "Jeff in Milwaukee" (you won't regret it, by the way), your vote would literally be wasted if I didn't file a declaration with the Ohio Secretary of State. Just in case you're wondering, I used to be "Jeff in Cincinnati" and I'm not sure of the write-in rules for Wisconsin.

But that may not be the case in your jurisdiction.

[Forkboy]

49. You need a "Maybe" option.

[Egnever]

51. Can you add undecided?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

52. Too Late...

The poll was posted yesterday. Perhaps on a future poll, which will doubtless incur the wrath of some people around here (read upthread).