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MrsT Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:08 AM
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Is Senator Clinton following the Rudy Giuliani "far away firewall" strategy?
I hope someone can tell me she isn't. If her plan is let Obama run away with every state and then comeback with Ohio and Texas, I don't think it will work. Is she going all out in Wisconsin or other states before March? Is a big endorsement or something in the works? What is she doing?
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FarLefty Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:11 AM
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1. I hope not
Surely she is smarter then that. She needs refreshing!! I fear it will not be in time.
I always felt that she was missing a message. One that reverberates, like Obama's Yes, we can!!
I guess we'll have to sit back and wait.
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Ivote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:13 AM
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2. Surprisingly
The motto that o is using belongs to the union that is backing Hillary
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:15 AM
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4. And, Bob the Builder.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:15 AM
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3. The only big endorsements still left on our side
are from Gore and Edwards. But so far...BIG endorsements don't have a strong record.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:18 AM
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8. We don't need a slogan
We have Hillary.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:17 AM
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5. No she isn't
for one thing --we have proportional awarding of delegates.

Her plan is to chip away at Obama's wins this month as best she can and get as many delegates as she can --keeping it essentially a tie.

with Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania looming --she needs to go all out and knock Obama out decisively (or visa versa).

Whoever gets this nomination is going to have to knock out the other in the 3 big primary states --or we going to a brokered convention.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:17 AM
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6. It is a different situation
She has a butt load of delegates to her name and Giuliani had "0". She is a force and I wish her situation was similar to Giuliani's since I am an Obama supporter. But it is not the reality. She could win Texas and Ohio and continue the Democratic roller coaster through the convention.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:17 AM
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7. It makes no sense to abandon those states.
This thing is too close on the delegate count. Even if she doesn't win she still needs to compete.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:19 AM
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9. It is not a purposeful strategy.
She is not "letting Obama run away with every state." Obama is on a roll because he has more support in those states than she does. But it's not that she is letting it happen. It's more a case of there is nothing she can do to stop it.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:25 AM
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10. I believe so
And quite frankly, it is her best strategy at this point. Super Tuesday was effectively a draw, with Obama coming out slightly ahead in pledged delegates. Had Clinton done better, I think she would be much more competitive right now. But as it sits right now, she had little chance of winning any other February states save Maine and Wisconsin. Maine was a caucus, and was not exactly a Clinton stronghold, which is why Obama ended up winning handily. It looks like Wisconsin will probably fall for Obama as well. At this point, it would be worse to fight all out in Wisconsin and lose than it would be to save those resources for March 4. There are 14 contests after February and many of those already seem like locks for Obama. MS and NC in the South, MT, ND, and WY out west, as well as OR look likely to go to Obama. IN, KY, and WV are pretty much toss-ups, and will likely be decided by who has the momentum going into those contests. Which leaves us with Clinton's 5 best chances at a winning. Luckily for her, 4 of those contests are on the same day, March 4. RI and VT might be more likely for Obama if they were not in the shadow of OH and TX. If Obama spends time in those two states he could very well win, but in so doing lose the bigger prizes of the day. A more balanced approach by Obama could lead to losing all 4 states. Of course, this is all premature as the race could shift between now and March 4, but I believe Clinton's hopes lie in sweeping March 4. From there PA would be a strong chance for her to solidify a come back. Even still it may not be enough to overcome Obama's pledged delegate lead, but it should bring the gap small enough that Superdelegates could feel free voting for her without worrying about "going against" the will of the voters. Obama's strategy now is to run up the score for the rest of the month, take RI and VT on March 4, and hope that momentum helps him blunt in leads Clinton might have in OH and TX. If March 4 comes out looking like a wash, or even better a win for Obama, the race is all but over.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:27 AM
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11. She appears to be going "all out" in Maryland and Virginia. But at least in Maryland, the
demographics favor Obama. Her best bet with proportional representation is to get at least 40% in Maryland, Virginia and Wisconsin and then hold Obama to under 40% in Texas and Ohio. I think it is an uphill battle from here because there is a possibility of blowout wins in Maryland Virginia and Washington D.C tomorrow and then lots of time before Texas and Ohio - the pressure on the superdelegates to climb on the Obama bandwagon will be enormous, imo. I don't think there are any significant endorsements which could make much difference - if there ever were. Endorsements mean little for Democrats anyway.
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