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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:52 AM
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Clinton campaign looks dysfunctional...
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/maine_caucuses_barack_obama_to.html

"Over the last seven years, Clinton had raised $175 million for her reelection and her presidential campaign. But Solis Doyle didn't tell Clinton that there was next to no cash on hand until after the New Hampshire primary.

"We were lying about money," a source said. "The cash on hand was nothing."

In turn, Clinton didn't tell Solis Doyle that she was lending her own money to keep the campaign afloat. Solis Doyle found out third-hand. And when she asked Clinton about it, the senator told her she couldn't understand how the campaign had gotten to such a point."

---How in the world does the candidate not know she is out of $?
---How does the candidate not tell her campaign manager she is contributing $5 million of her own money?

What does this say about how Hillary would run our government when she is not being informed about what is going on in her own campaign?

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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:58 AM
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1. Thanks for bringing up this point.
Claims of "experience" are falling flat, when she can't even manage to run her campaign efficiently, with all the advantages she had going into the contest.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:58 AM
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2. The campaigns demonstrate how they would run an economy so, you decide voters.
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 10:59 AM by cooolandrew
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:59 AM
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3. The fact that she has fallen from prohibitive, inevitable frontrunner
to "underdog" kind of casts a shadow over any claims of competency or electability.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:00 AM
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4. a story about Hillary Clinton not seeing it
I was walking down the streets of DC one nice spring day and someone came up to me and said Hillary would be speaking not far from where i was. I decided to walk the short distance to see her. There was a stand set up and tons of security. Hillary was dressed in a yellow suit. I could barely catch a glimpse of her.

There was also a group of protesters with signs. The security people did everything they could to prevent her from seeing the protesters. They set the stand up in such a way that she couldn't see the signs.

Was this deliberate? Did the Clintons ask for it to be that way? I'll never know but I'll never forget that they hid what the people were trying to say.



Cher
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:15 AM
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13. that procedure is standard operating police procedure for anyone being protested
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:39 PM
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24. No, it isn't.
When the Nazis marched here, protesters were right across the street. At our big anti-war rally, the pro-war protesters were right across the street.

"Free Speech Zones" hidden from the candidates are NOT SOP. Not for Democrats.

Caveat: Maybe in DC is IS SOP - but I doubt it.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:00 AM
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5. delete duplicate post
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 11:03 AM by NJCher
Cher
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:02 AM
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6. Some are saying Clinton knew after Iowa
Clinton herself was not informed that the campaign was in dire financial straits until after Iowa, one adviser said. For two days, Bill Clinton camped out in the campaign's Ballston, VA headquarters and poured through the numbers with Williams and other aides. Aides and advisers say that Clinton's decision to lend herself money was not made by consulting members of the senior staff and was relayed to them after-the-fact.


http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/learning_some_more_details_sin.php


Either way, bad news.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:08 AM
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10. After Iowa or after New Hampshire...maybe the recollection is blurry.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:02 AM
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7. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, and never telling Mary.
How odd, this lack of communication between those two.
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insanity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:02 AM
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8. Ugh, Campaigns are always dysfunctional
I don't think there is really a good correlation that could be drawn for campaign management to economic policy... they are two completely different types of money. The point remains though, that Clinton is in a world-of-hurt. I honestly believe Obama has the nomination locked up at this point... Edwards dropping out really turned the tide.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:06 AM
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9. Not economic policy, but basic communication with your team.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:22 AM
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14. The signifigance of this lack of communication
in such a critical area between the Senator and her campaign manager is not something to be taken so lightly. Didn't you expect much closer co-ordination between the two?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:30 AM
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15. Doesn't look like a partnership kind of relationship.
More like an underling who is afraid of the boss.

I always said I would much rather work for Obama than for Hillary.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:10 AM
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11. Hillary's campaign sounds like a disaster...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:11 AM
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12. Here--Meet Maggie Williams, Hillary Clinton's New Campaign Manager


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Meet Maggie Williams, Hillary Clinton's New Campaign Manager
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4528912#4528912
4528912, Meet Maggie Williams, Hillary Clinton's New Campaign Manager
Posted by bigtree on Sun Feb-10-08 07:27 PM



Born and reared in Kansas City, MO, Williams graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Trinity College in Washington in 1977 and received a master's degree at the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School for Communications. She has worked for the Children's Defense Fund and once served as press secretary for Sen. Robert Torricelli (D-NJ).

As the first Black woman to direct the operations of the first lady in the White House, Maggie Williams quickly found herself smack in the middle of the republican war on the Clintons.

from Ruth Marcus' 1994 article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/08/AR2008010803378_pf.html

"I had been saying to anyone who would listen that I believed Whitewater was a distraction from the president's agenda, and I did not understand how 17 years of Arkansas history was related to feeding people, clothing people, giving people health care," Williams said. "I was outspoken; I said that; I said it over and over."

In a White House with a different and more powerful First Lady, Williams (was) a different and more powerful chief of staff. She (held) the title of assistant to the president -- on a par with other senior staffers and, in the title-conscious White House, a significant notch higher than her predecessors in the job.

"Her job is huge," said one official, pointing to Williams's three-part role as a major player on health reform, administrator of the First Lady's staff and overseer of White House social functions. "No First Lady's chief of staff has ever had this kind of job."

While a sizable share of Williams's power derives from the importance of her boss, she also plays a wider role than the specific issues facing the First Lady because of what numerous White House officials describe(d) as her overall good judgment, particularly on communications issues.

Williams, at then-White House Chief of Staff Thomas F. "Mack" McLarty's direction, was the principal author earlier (that) summer of a major memorandum on White House reorganization. McLarty said he and his successor as chief of staff, Leon E. Panetta, (had) asked Williams to prepare periodic reviews of the 30-, 60- and 90-day outlooks for the White House.

"The best way to describe her is her title," said communications director Mark Gearan. "She is both assistant to the president and chief of staff to the First Lady."
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:40 AM
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16. I hate that word dysfunctional; it's over-used
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 11:44 AM by poli speak
Hillary is simply exhausted. She needs to get some rest and cut back on her schedule.

Years back I remember, to the chagrin of my Congressman from Ohio, asking him what the hell was wrong with him. I told him he was getting too skinny and to start taking care of himself. I'm sure it pissed him off, but the demands on these people are inhuman. They deserve to take care of themselves, too. And they don't need to be called names because someone thinks they're screwing up (not that I think using the word dysfunctional here was meant to be name-calling).

That being said, I think she has unfortunately cooked her own goose. I had been looking reasons to vote for her until only a few weeks ago myself. I totally sympathize with her plight, but she might even do herself the biggest favor of all by just conceding. She can still be a great senator.

Her interview with Katie Couric was disastrous; it was difficult to believe a word she said. And, in contrast to the 60-minute interview of Obama, she was tense, angry and repeating/using Obama lines instead of her own words.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:43 AM
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17. Yeah, cuz we all know that historically it's Presidents who run economies....LMAO! nt
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:45 AM
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18. if she can't run her own campaign, she can't run the country...
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:45 AM
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19. delete double post...
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 11:46 AM by Az_lefty
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:48 AM
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20. Kerry ran out of money, too.
Remember?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:55 AM
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22. He ran out of money before any vote was cast
And took out a mortgage on his house before Iowa.

Difference is, Hillary has run out of money in an important part of her campaign while she has absolutely no momentum going forward.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:50 AM
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21. 175 Million Dollars Down The Shitter? WTF
This isn't just dysfunction it is CRIMINAL. This campaign is full of cons and thieves.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:10 PM
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23. this is what you get when everyone is too afraid of Hillary to be the bearer of bad news
---How in the world does the candidate not know she is out of $?

Patti was afraid to tell Hillary because she knew what her reaction would be. You see this delayed reaction now.

---How does the candidate not tell her campaign manager she is contributing $5 million of her own money?

Hillary feared a leak to the press so she didn't inform anyone with the self-funding immediately.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:41 PM
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25. "We were lying about money," a source said. "The cash on hand was nothing."
Let the conversation begin!!
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