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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:06 PM
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Obama Down 30 Points, And In Deep Trouble
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 12:36 PM by FLDem5
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/11/91158/5807/161/454432

Obama Down 30 Points, And In Deep Trouble

by LarsThorwald
Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 10:12:05 AM EST


I am a supporter of Sen. Obama over Sen. Clinton , but I am alarmed by the cocky attitude being displayed by my fellow Obama supporters.

After the wins in Louisiana, Washington, Nebraska, Maine and the Virgin Islands there has been a dramatic uptick in strutting and an unsettling number of comments that look beyond the primary battles in the days and weeks ahead to what comes after Obama is nominated ("Who will he choose as VP?" "Dude, he is so going to win the primary in Ohio in 2012" "Where do I get my tickets for the inaugural ball? Should I call campaign headquarters directly, or...?").

This is disconcerting, and it is disconcerting the hell out of me.

Follow me over the fold for the rousing, good old-fashioned woodshedding you so richly deserve.

LarsThorwald's diary :: ::
Brief autobiographical digression: I am a litigator by profession and calling. I fight battles every day, and not always with my wife, who inevitably wins.

I have learned through very hard experiences that no battle is won by sitting on your lead, or thinking you are winning, or thinking you have the thing wrapped up. I have seen attorneys on the other side underestimate me because I am young, or because I will appear at early meetings purposefully disheveled (tie askance, papers humorously unorganized and out of order), or because they looked me up and know I went (WARNING: please ask your children to leave the room at this time) to a state school.

These are opposing counsel over whose charred bodies I usually stand at the end of a case, tie straightened, papers neatly collated, a victory in my pocket and in the proceedings of record.

Because I trained under people who taught me that the only way to succeed is three-fold: preparation, preparation, preparation. I also learned after getting my wee head dashed against the rocks of experience that the very last thing you do is underestimate your opponent (no matter how much you like him or her, no matter how reasonable and civil your exchanges are), because that is when you lose.

To quote Quentin Tarantino, auteur, in Pulp Fiction: "That's how you're gonna beat 'em, Butch. They keep underestimating you." These words are true.

Back to the main: I watched with avid interest the efforts of the Clintons in 1992, and I observed as a student of politics their moves throughout the rough days of the early 1990s and the dark days of the later 1990s. The paramount lesson taught by the Clintons is that you do not underestimate the Clintons. They are wicked smart, resourceful, tenacious, dogged, terrier-like in intensity, indefatigable, resilient, tough, and they can be, at times, ruthless. Utterly without ruth.

If you disbelieve me, I can point to a cemetary lined in neat little rows with headstones planted squarely over the political careers of those who thought otherwise.

I know these things, and yet I see the crowing. The strutting. The we-got-em-beat-boy-howdy posts here, covering this site like a sea of orange peacockery. Look at my shiny, victorious feathers. See how they awe.

Take heed, friends:

Senator Obama has won nothing. You have won nothing. We have won nothing.

I see the state results roll in, and where people see winning states I see points of vulnerability because there are those in which Sen. Obama has not prevailed. Where people tout delegate totals, I see an ocean of danger, an ocean covered with lit oil waiting to burn my candidate in a fiery bath of defeat. Where people abacus popular votes in an effort to show how much he is ahead, I see votes going the other way that simply mean that they--we--are sitting around on our asses, not working, not trying, not preparing enough.

Where people see strength in organization, I see laziness. Every step that does not advance the ball toward vistory is a misstep, even if it is not a misstep.

I saw the polls in the days and weeks leading up to that that hard day in November 2004. "The polls show Kerry ahead in Wisconsin!" "Kerry looks like he will win it by three points!" "The exit polls say Kerry has it! w00t!" "Where do I get my tickets to the inaugural ball? Do I call the campaign directly, or...?"

Dolts. Stupid, unprepared, inactive dolts we were. Parsing out polls in a masturbatory love-fest while the never-to-be-underestimated Republicans eked out a win by doing the hard work. We awoke from our sticky days of self-love and he-might-just-pull-it-out fantastic voyages to find them holding the election and us holding the bag. And we know exactly what that got us.

So Sen. Clinton has had some small money woes, and has not won in a few states, and has had a bit of a staff shakeup. And I guess that all means that Obama is winning. Well I say hogwash and horsesh*t to all that.

Obama is not winning, you fool.

Obama is not even close to winning. He is 800 delegates behind. He is 30 points down in the polls. He is awash in shiftless volunteers with IQs of 80 and facing empty coffers and the phonelines are down and help isn't coming.

That is how you must view this, brothers and sisters. That is how you stay hungry. This is how you stay focused.

Tomorrow the good citizens of the State of Maryland, the District of Columbia, and the Commonwealth of Virginia are going to go out and vote.

And not one single one of them is going to vote for Obama. Not one. Not without you.

Soon the citizens of the State of Ohio and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the Republic of Texas are going to go out and vote. And you can be damned sure that none of them are going to vote for Sen. Obama. Not by a mile.

Unless you help. Unless you phonebank. Unless you call a friend or a neighbor or a sworn enemy and ask them to lend their support and their vote. Not until you hit the bricks and knock on a few doors. Not until you donate time and money and get others to do so.

Preparation, preparation, preparation.


Money goes here.

Your time goes here or here or here or here or here.[br />
And here or here or here.

Focus on the polls and the horserace and the prettiness of your feathers at your own expense.

We are losing, and losing badly.

We have work to do.

Get off your asses. Fight.

Fight.


You heard the man, click a link and GET TO WORK!

(Mods and Admin - I have permission from the diarist to post this entire Diary - do I need to forward you the official permission?)

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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:07 PM
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1. FIRED UP!! GOBAMA!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:09 PM
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2. The Reversse Pep Talk--Very Effective
and good practice for the General Election, too.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:11 PM
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3. Nice article. Complacency is a killer. n/t
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:11 PM
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4. very true we should take every contest like we are 20 points behind.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:11 PM
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5. Hillary is way way ahead
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:12 PM
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6. FLDem, You Need to Edit
Major copyright violations in lifting that much copyrighted text from another website. DU's rule is 4-5 paragraphs, max, without the author's explicit permission.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:25 PM
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12. delete - dupe
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 12:33 PM by FLDem5
so I will edit it - I hope I get an okay before the edit time expires.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:28 PM
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13. delete - dupe
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 12:33 PM by FLDem5
so I will edit it - I hope I get an okay before the edit time expires.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:29 PM
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14.  I have received permission from the Diarist to post the entire thing.
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 12:37 PM by FLDem5
thank you for the reminder.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:13 PM
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7. Nice!!
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:18 PM
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8. A professional litigator baiting people w/false facts is embarassing ...
even if I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with the general underlying point that Obama supporters should not get overly optimistic. There are at least four or five BIG tests coming up -- Wisconsin, Ohio, TX, Pa, and Indiana (I think N Carolina at this point is likely Obama). But he has to win some uphill fights and broaden his base yet further to get the kind of lead for which WE SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND DEMAND THE CLEAR LEADER IN VOTES AND PLEDGED DELEGATES AT THE END OF THE PRIMARY SEASON GET THE NOMINATION.

Sure -- donate, do whatever work is suitable, etc. But the demand (in the form of a candidate-neutral petition) is one HUGE thing that Democratic Underground and similar sites can do for the blogosphere to make a HUGE difference. I think that armed with THOUSANDS of signatures of Democrats across the country Brazile's argument would be that much stronger.

A general admonition -- especially based on a (small) trick -- doesn't really do too much good, in my arrogant opinion.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:18 PM
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9. Anyone who names himself after the murderer in Rear Window has my ear anytime
:-)
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:18 PM
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10. Awesome
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:21 PM
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11. Why would someone from DU post this
knowing it isn't true. It stinks of Rovianism. And the OP should be ashamed.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:39 PM
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15. Not ashamed - a REMINDER of what happens
when you rest on your laurels.

You lose.

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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:40 PM
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16. This reminds me of the first Dean emails when he became head of the DNC
Very bossy, strident, demanding. I didn't like it then and I don't care for it now.

Who the hell is LarsThorwald? Professional litigator? Who would call themselves a "professional litigator?" What an asshole.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:53 PM
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17. this was actually a very good post & could apply to ANY candidate
Go Hillary!!!
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LiveLiberally Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:58 PM
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18. K&R
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:00 PM
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19. Are Obama supporters really asking about tickets to the Inaugural Ball already?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:21 PM
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35. nah, but better to be working hard to obtain the prize
than assume that Santa is bringing it.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 04:05 AM
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46. No, the writer is talking of 04 saying lets not get ahed of ourselves. Keep working.
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 04:07 AM by cooolandrew
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:02 PM
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20. PAY ATTENTION to this message
it's for both Obama-lovers and Clinton-lovers. It's a powerful message and as real meaning.

Get out and participate for your candidate. Otherwise, if you just sit here readidng and posting on DU, you're sitting on the sidelines being a spectator.

Get to work! We have MUCH to do!

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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:36 PM
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25. Living in Florida
I have been trying to get people fired up. I have made calls and sent emails. :)
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:07 PM
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21. Different people need different motivations
I am in no way trying to slight your message, for a great many will find this to be exactly what they need. But keep in mind there are also a great many that would become lethargic in the face of a great deficit due to pessimism. For those of us in the latter camp, the message is slightly different than yours: Finish the job. Obama has done what he needs to do to be ahead at this point, but he has no won it yet. He and his supporters must take this position of advantage and push it further, no slowing down now.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:32 PM
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22. GREAT message! I'm fired up and ready to go to Milwaukee! n/t
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Freetospeak Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:34 PM
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23. ...
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:36 PM
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24. K&R
:patriot:
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:37 PM
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26. I totally agree with the sentiments of the diary
I see no need for any of the 'we've got it in the bag' stuff. So far from true.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:38 PM
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27. Thanks for the slap in the face.
We needed that.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:50 PM
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28. I like this post
we have won nothing.. let's get out there and GOTV!
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:18 PM
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29. Saddle-Up ! Lock 'N Load!
Hit the streets!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:18 PM
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34. I made LOTS of calls to Virginia today!
I recommend it.
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:23 PM
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30. Exactly what i've been posting for days - WORK GENTE!
too many 1000 posters in DU - who need to get out on the streets and get on the phone banks

stop gloating about the weekend victories!

WORK GENTE!
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:34 PM
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31. Right on! Its a marathon --- and it's about pace at this point --- winning is way down the road!
K&R! :applause:
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:39 PM
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32. haha welcome to frontrunner status - I can hear the rocky music being played for clinton nt
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:32 PM
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33. If only I had more than one recommendation to give.
I remember people crowning Obama after Iowa.

The bottom line is that Hillary has more intensity than a wall of charging visigoths, and she will fight just as hard to get what she is after.

She will not be out of the race until there is no possible way she can win.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:03 AM
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42. Ding, ding,ding,ding we have a winner
The DLC, the insiders, the establishment etc. are just pulling back to reassess their options. Expect that renewed full court press with some new twists soon.

Through the years as much as we have been able to examine all of it with a microscope detecting that almost unnoticeable minutia while parsing all the motives we should know that story is correct.

We should be getting more than prepared for that onslaught when it comes. Just remember to the point answering the question WHAT IS "IS" (if you need some more parse anyway :shrug:)
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:23 PM
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36. Thanks for this. Much appreciated! nt
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:27 PM
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37. I *love* the Onion!!!111
:rofl:
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:41 PM
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51. heh
FTW
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:30 PM
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38. He is not winning. This is true.
So Sen. Clinton has had some small money woes, and has not won in a few states, and has had a bit of a staff shakeup. And I guess that all means that Obama is winning. Well I say hogwash and horsesh*t to all that.

Obama is not winning, you fool.


Trying to spin this, with help from the ho media, as the end of Hillary's campaign is, well, hogwash and horsesh*t.

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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:36 PM
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39. Go, go, go!
Absolutely right, nothing happens without us! Thanks for the link, I just sent some $$$.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:38 PM
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40. "Never say "never"...
Very interesting piece - makes me want to go out and fight for Hillary even more...
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:50 AM
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43. Me too
PA is coming up, and PA just might live up to its nickname the "KEYSTONE" state. We are all working very hard for Hillary, and in no way shape or form, are things slowing down in the Clinton camp. We are ready for OH, and TX and onward to PA (my neck of the woods). Straw polls here have Hillary way up, but we are not "gloating" over the numbers (like some of these Obama supporters do---Gawd); instead we are inspired and dedicated to keep Hillary winning; and that includes alot of hard work. Go Hillary!! See you in PA.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:57 PM
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41. Leave something in the tank
for the GE. If you think Hillary is tough and worth fighting, wait until you meet the Republicans.

I backed Edwards early and now I am an interested observer from the sidelines. I find myself posting defenses of Hillary, not because I prefer her to Obama, but because the attacks against her are legion (and mostly idiotic). As someone of a more populist persuasion than most, I view Hillary and Obama as tweedle dee and tweedle dum.

However, I will gladly and enthusiastically support either candidate against any Republican. The posters who claim they will back Obama but not Hillary against McCain or any other Republican are not Democrats of any stripe. Anyone who would vote for Obama over McCain and McCain over Clinton has got to be a terminally clueless dupe of the commercial media.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 03:41 AM
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44. kick
:kick:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 04:01 AM
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45. The writer is totally right don't take anything for granted and just keep working..
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 04:03 AM by cooolandrew
...We have to view ourselves down to keep the motivation going even if the reality says otherwise.
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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:22 AM
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47. Obama Up 20 points in Chesapeake States
Creams Hillary by 6 points in a toe-to-toe race against McCain.

BTW, why won't Hillary release her tax returns? Obama did.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:43 AM
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48. Relax. You can win without being in a constant state of worry all the time.
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 06:47 AM by Perry Logan
I honestly don't think overconfidence is a problem for liberals and lefties. It's OK to enjoy your natural feelings of hope and confidence when things are going well for your side.

Savoring a good situation is perfectly OK. It doesn't mean you're going to let down your guard or stop working for your candidate or cause.

Enjoy! You can win without being in a constant state of worry all the time.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:33 PM
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49. Best. Election. Post. Ever.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:37 PM
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50. It won't matter
Bad habits get ingrained and become very difficult to break.

--p!
How many Obama followers will reply "Yeah, but Hillary should at least try to break them." -- ?
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:29 AM
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52. This is too important to forget
:kick:
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