I have a feeling Hillary is done for :(

[JKaiser]

It just makes me really sad that people are not seeing past the primaries. McCain and the GOP will attack Obama hard on his experience and Obama will loose. They will do it with scare tactics that will put doubt in the independents that have supported Obama. Honestly he won't win southern states or western states except for the dem states. When Nader and Bloomberg join the race, it will also divide a lot of moderate and very liberal democrats.. This is definitely a sad sad moment for democracy.

[niyad]

1. welcome to DU

[Captain Hilts]

2. No, she's not, by any means, 'done for'. Ignore the crap here. nt

[Enrique]

3. I'm sorry you're sad

;(

[RL3AO]

4. How is it a "sad moment for democracy"?

If the people choose Obama, then democracy has been delivered.

[MagsDem]

18. "People" aren't choosing Obama

He is winning the caucus states because he has a well honed and very crooked machine in place. I suppose that is to be expected from an IL represenative. I can tell you the WA state caucuses were a joke. He bought the win there. No question. I saw it myself.

[alteredstate]

35. A "crooked" machine"?

What are you talking about?

[donheld]

47. He had no machine in Denver

and he won handily anyway.

[rockymountaindem]

48. I know

They only started talking about Obama and Clinton offices opening up in Colorado after the NH primary. I don't know why anybody would think that either campaign had a huge advantage over the other in that regard. In fact, one would think that the Clintons would have more people and resources to call on due to their history as party leaders. I guess that didn't pan out for them.

[sentelle]

There is no machine out where I live

The scene I saw on friday on my way home.
Olympic and Winslow Way (Bainbridge Island). On all four corners were people. On the north west Corner (by the Chamber of Commerce) were the Women in Black.

On every other corner were 3-5 Obama supporters. At least i think they were, they had big Obama banners and were screaming his name.
On the South east corner (by the police station) was a lone Clinton supporter, with a hand drawn banner.


That was it... and pretty much sums up the attitude as I saw it.

[XemaSab]

52. The Obama "machine" in Santa Barbara, CA

Looked like about 10 happy and enthusiastic young people, 5 happy and enthusiastic middle aged folks, and 10 happy and enthusiastic retirees to me. :shrug:

[Blarch]

58. Explain the primaries he has won...

I can wait.

[stillrockin]

5. scaredy cat

:dem:

[IndieLeft]

6. Are you kidding? Have you seen McCain speak?

Obama will be just fine.

[JKaiser]

37. Well we got BUSH and he is a dumbass... Gore and Kerry were better speakers than he was!

[JKaiser]

38. Well we got BUSH and he is a dumbass... Gore and Kerry were better speakers than he was!

[JKaiser]

39. Well we got BUSH and he is a dumbass... Gore and Kerry were better speakers than he was!

[newmajority]

7. Obama will CRUSH McCain

And we Democrats will crush what's left of the DLC.

[WinkyDink]

46. Don't bet too much on that. "Security" is a best-seller.

[jakem]

8. :)

;)

[coalition_unwilling]

9. Obama is going to grind McInsane into the dirt. All Obama has to

do is run an ad showing McInsane saying he'd be happy staying in Iraq for 100 years and the election is over and Obama wins in a landslide. Q.E.D.

[coalition_unwilling]

16. Obama is going to grind McInsane into the dirt. All Obama has to

do is run an ad showing McInsane saying he'd be happy staying in Iraq for 100 years (check out McInsane's appearance on Meet the Press about a month ago) and the election is over and Obama wins in a landslide. Q.E.D.

[harun]

40. Agree 100%, McCain isn't winning, period (n/t)

[TheDeathadder]

10. Don't worry

there's plenty of race left with Clinton looking good in big states. Not to mention Clinton and Obama are both Democrats. Whoever wins we need to support and help win the general election no matter that the scenario without any excuses. This is our race to win, everything will be blue when the smoke clears.

[Occam Bandage]

11. Hillary isn't done for by any means,

and Obama, if he wins the nom, will beat McCain and the Republicans.

[COFoothills]

12. Your analysis is off...

...except for the part about HRC being done for. I think that part is right on.

Otherwise, I think you are way off target on what is to come.

Bloomberg was only coming in if the Repubs went way to the right. That ain't happening now with McStain.

Nader...who cares.

And Obama will not only keep attracting independent voters, he will expand that critical segment.

[MagsDem]

13. Nah, she is going to win TX, OH, and PA

It will go down the convention, and the super delegates will decide it. No doubt Obama is buying those people off as we speak.

[Renew Deal]

14. Obama is not running on experience. Hillary is.

Hillary is running on experience and she automatically loses that argument to McCain. Obama isn't running on it. Also, Obama has more elected experience than Hillary. Obama also does a gerat job of putting McCains experience into perspective. He subtly calls him old by saying that we all admire McCains "half century of experience."

[XemaSab]

55. That was a

SHOT. ACROSS. THE BOW.

I loved it and I want to see more. :D

[FrenchieCat]

15. McCain would attack Hillary on Experience and Hillary would lose......

OBama isn't the one touting experience as a reason for folks to vote for him, Hillary is. But Hillary has a problem, because McCain really does have more experience than she has.


OBama is touting sound judgement. McCain voted and supports this Iraq Debacle. Obama didn't support this war. OBama wins the argument. Period.

Next......

[MercutioATC]

22. But.....but.....HRC has "35 YEARS" of experience......

She's 60 now, so that would make her 25 when she started gaining this "experience".

What "experience" is she speaking of?

[FrenchieCat]

30. First, McCain will point out that Hillary worked less than a year

on the Children's defense fund. Was a Corporate lawyer for 15 years. Did not have security Clearance or sat in any National Security meetings while Bill was at the White House. That her visit with foreign heads of states were purely ceremonial as she was the First Lady. And that she voted with him on the IWR.

McCain has been a senator for 25 years, and before that served 2 terms as House Representative, and before that flew 23 bombing missions, was shot down and held captive for 5 years.

I believe that on experience, no one ought to even try and compete with McCain. Contrasting him is a more effective approach, which is what Obama can do. Hillary can't.

[HughMoran]

51. If you watched her biography on MSNBC you would know

She really has been very active in politics since her college days.

[katty]

17. concur-they will have the attack dogs everywhere

[Freetospeak]

19. She is done...IMO. The margin of victory in MAINE told the story

She was not supposed to lose in Maine. HE was not supposed to win!!! The people came out for HIM. I honestly expect he will win every single state going forward. Super delegates will start speaking out shortly.

Obama will make us proud in November!

[OneSelf]

20. Seems pretty much even right now.

Obama has the momentum, but it's still a toss up.
I don't think anyone is "done for", except the candidate on the right.

:evilgrin:

[Lisa0825]

31. Thanks for putting it in perspective!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[OneSelf]

34. Thanks Lisa0825!

Happy to be here.
:hi:

[rodeodance]

56. chuckle

[DJ13]

21. Obama has already proven he can take on the GOP type of campaigning

He's beating the Clintons, and they beat the GOP twice.

[texastoast]

23. Not as sad as if she turned out to be the candidate

Hillary would mobilize Republicans to get to the polls who would otherwise stay home. Not that I think she deserves it--it is just what I'm hearing.

[beachmom]

24. You're wrong on all counts. #1 Hillary isn't done for and #2 Obama will do well against McCain

[elixir]

25. I don't think Hillary is done for. And I certainly hope, but, don't believe Obama can crush McCain.

[anigbrowl]

26. You're making an awful lot of assumptions...

...few of which are justified.

If Obama does win the nomination, there's no reason to assume the Republicans are going to do anything worse to him than what they could do to Hillary. The sad part for democracy is you assumption that independent/swing voters are going to be mindlessly brainwashed by any and all Republican smears and the Democratic candidate is foredoomed. The reality is that politics is a game of win some, lose some. Neither party has a permanent lock on elections, and neither party plays fair all the time.

Nader might get on the ballot. He has to raise money first, and get taken seriously. He ran in 2004 as well but most people hardly remember that because he didn't make any significant difference to the outcome.

Bloomberg might run but that's a far cry from assuming that he will. And he's just as likely to suck votes from McCain as Oabam or Hillary.

[JKaiser]

41. I am not making assumptions.. I am looking towards the future

[anigbrowl]

49. You are looking towards your imagination

Neither you, nor anyone else, has the magic ability to predict the future. I respect your opinion, but that's all it is - and you haven't given any reason for the rest of us to believe it, other than it's what you happen to think.

[cali]

60. that's making an assumption and if you were paying attention

and had educated yourself, you'd know that they're lousy assumptions. I'm not going to spoon feed you, but this is a year that favors the dem nominee heavily. In fact, if we can't win this year against McCain we should hang it up forever. And much as I wish Hillary was done, she isn't. She's in fine shape.

[JKaiser]

42. I am not making assumptions.. I am looking towards the future

[Tesha]

27. They're both likely losers in the General Election.

Wasn't this a great way to pick our candidate?

Tesha

[abburdlen]

28. Don't fear McCain

this sort of http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ "> video is the sort of things we'll see all the way until the election.
McCain is going to make Dole seem competitive.

Dems are going to win no matter who the nominee is

[rox63]

29. Your concern has been noted

Enjoy your brief stay.

[sellitman]

32. Things couldn't be any more even.

It's a virtual photo finish if it ended today.

Are you looking at the same race?

[JKaiser]

33. THE GOP will attack from every angle

his lack of experience, race, religion, his name, his youth, his iraq vote.. THEY WILL make stuff up and the media will cover it over and over again.. The media WILL support McCain.. Obama will get no air time. We will know longer see his speeches in the news. They did it too Edwards, they are doing to Hillary, next is Obama.. KERRY wanted to end the war in 2004 when he was running, and a lot of people wanted the war to end as well.. That didn't stop the GOP from using scare tactics to put doubt in people about Kerry..

[libertee]

36. Rock Stars fade...No problem. n/t

[demokatgurrl]

43. It's not over yet. Having the primaries over early

is NOT typical, it's just recent. It's going to be a long haul. If enough people start paying attention and really thinking about what the candidates are going to face in the general election and beyond, and look in vain for substance behind many of Obama's platitudes, they will come around. Don't throw in the towel yet.

[TomClash]

44. Some of her big donors think she's done too

I think she needs to do extremely well in the debates.

[Adams Wulff]

45. Hillary is not "done for"

Her campaign is evolving and adapting at this point, and the two candidates are for all intents and purposes, tied.

Momentum is a wonderful thing, but I'm sure both would rather have money and a few more primary wins under their belts.

As far as red or blue states are concerned, all 50 states have men and women coming home in flag draped coffins, and they are all sick of it. If the choice comes down to ending the war, and staying for 100 years, I get the feeling it's going to be a very blue country.

[Bucky]

50. Bloomberg is not "joining the race". He's a regional vanity candidate.

He can't score more than 2% of the vote west of the Susquehanneh River. If he runs, he won't matter. So he won't run.

[cali]

53. aaaargh. that should be "lose" not "loose"

clothing can loose. Clinton can lose.

[FyurFly]

54. Cankles is done for.....

Obama has my vote in VA! :kick:

[ORDem]

57. First off, it's "lose" not "loose".

Hillary will get attacked worse for her "experience" because she's touted it so hard and it's really a sham. McCain will win the experience argument hands down (of course, it's also spinnable as a negative for him).

Divide very liberal democrats? WTF? Like very liberal democrats are going to vote for McCain?

Besides, you have no evidence for what you are saying, it's just gut feeling, probably HRC spin.

Here's some evidence for you, look at every recent poll in the last week pitting McCain vs. HRC or vs. Obama. Who's polling better against McCain? Obama every time.

You can also easily find evidence that HRC's negatives are way higher than Obama's and she will bring out the GOP in droves in the GE. This we do not need. In fact, I don't really care who wins the Presidential race in November as long as we get fillibuster proof majorities in both Houses. That's what's really needed.

Speculation, but I strongly suspect that Obama's coattails will be longer than Hillary's. And the Superdelegates have that in their mind right now. Most of them want to continue their political careers.

[mtnsnake]

59. Let's just say that your chances of being a Poster Child for Optimism Supporters are pretty slim!

lol