An idea for how to seat MI and FL delegates...

[mckeown1128]

I was reading about the DNC rules and I think I found a loophole.

All MI and FL have to do is hold a primary OR a caucus after Feb. 4th 2008 and their delegates will be seated. Apparently this loophole applies for a few dozen other states and U.S. territories.


What do you guys and gals think?

[papau]

1. A primary do over OK - But I've had enough 2% to 10% turnout caucuses

[JVS]

2. Maybe they should try that

[stellanoir]

3. Somebody from MI called into Stephanie Miller's show last week and

said he might get to vote twice and spoke of some talk about a secondary caucus.

Seems as though it would be the fairest thing to do even though caucuses are getting discredited today.

I suspect that they beat the employment of Diebold's flakey DREs.

Not sure though.

[mckeown1128]

4. An idea for how to seat MI and FL delegates...

I was reading about the DNC rules and I think I found a loophole.

All MI and FL have to do is hold a primary OR a caucus after Feb. 4th 2008 and their delegates will be seated. Apparently this loophole applies for a few dozen other states and U.S. territories.


What do you guys and gals think?

[newmajority]

5. I say they hold caucuses in both states

And send the bill for the cost to the DLC.

[Hart2008]

6. self delete dup

[Hart2008]

7. Seat them on their butts. Your suggestion has already been noticed and ignored by MI and FL parties

Move along.

Nothing new to discuss here.

:boring::boring::boring::boring:

[Hart2008]

8. self delete- dup

[Vinca]

9. I think they've already been talking about it.

From what I heard, the problem in Florida is that it would cost the state about $4 million and that would have to be paid by the Democrats. Another idea I heard was waiting until all the contests are over and giving each candidate the same percentage of delegates from Michigan and Florida. I have no idea what they'll finally do and I can't imagine how they ever thought it was a good idea to disenfranchise voters.

[mckeown1128]

10. They were trying to play chicken with the DNC

and they lost. It is funny. In trying to move their primary date forward both states thought that they would become more important. Isn't it ironic...don't ya think. Now they are the ONLY worthless states to the primary process. If I were a Democrat in FL or MI I would be leading a mob against the state party officials by now.

[adapa]

11. it's expencive to hold primarys

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. No

they don't get delegates. They tried to fuck the primary system. Which in its current form, is GOOD. It is a GOOD THING for candidates who may have raised less money to be able to start on a more level playing field in small states, and have the opportunity to put their ideas in front of voters. And possibly to gain media attention and interest. This is something that would NOT be possible in a state like Florida or Michigan.

And they were warned; they knew what would happen, and they went ahead anyway. The sanctions should stay in place; allowing caucuses would mean the sanctions amounted to a slap on the wrist.

Hopefully Florida and Michigan will find people to lead their respective Democratic parties who aren't fucking morons in the future.

[TahitiNut]

13. "They" does NOT include the VOTERS.

To blame the VOTERS of Michigan for trying "to fuck the primary system" is despicable. That SNAFU was completely the act of Party Hacks, fighting one another. In so doing, they FUCKED the VOTERS, not the "primary system."

As a Michigan resident and voter, I'm nearly as appalled by this as I was with Florida 2000. It's as anti-democratic as partisan politics can get. The Democratic Party deserves to incur the wrath of Michigan voters and lose the state in November. It's detestable behavior.

[TheDonkey]

15. Easy there, they as in your democratic officials tried to fuck the system

Do you not understand that? I would be pissed if CA tried to push itself into the first 3 weeks of the primary to nullifying my vote and I'd be even more pissed if I was in Puerto Rico waiting at the end of the line and FL and MI were able to bully their way into the front of the line.

I think do-over caucuses could be looked at but the state parties should pay.

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. No, 'they' includes the party officials who decided to screw both the primary process...

and Democratic voters in their states.

You want someone to blame?

Blame your state party. Because, I say again, they were warned. They knew the consequences. You had no say in this decision. Not your fault; but the rules are the rules.

[pampango]

14. The operative strategy here is "Just say "No do-overs", then yell "disenfranchisement." n/t

[MagsDem]

17. A Do over because Obama lost

Yeah, sure, why not? After he is done buying all the caucus votes we can just do over the actual primaries that he lost.

[shaniqua6392]

19. That is the truth of the situation.

I do not want a caucus here in Michigan. Screw that. Count my vote that I cast in the primary. Obama lost here in Michigan and in Florida. Just seat the delegates according to the way we voted here. If they try to do a caucus here people will be outraged. We can not afford another primary anyway.

[Tom Rinaldo]

18. It is worth noting, whatever else happens

that even if Florida and Michigan got their current delegates seated at the convention, both states will still have paid a concrete cost for bucking the DNC system. None of the candidates campaigned inside of Florida and Michigan, that can't be changed now. Voters in both states for the most part missed the opportunity to meet the candidates in person. Both states took an economic hit because the national and international media and the candidates barely showed up. It was the same as if several major Conventions cancelled and went somewhere else instead.

Whatever else may happen from here, I believe States in the future will think long and hard before they break their agreements with the Democratic National Committee.