Why do 85% of black voters vote for Obama?

[hill08]

Do you think it has to do with him being black too? Or these voters just appreciate his campaign promises more than any other ethnic group?

Why no other ethnic group has such a virtually unilateral preference towards Obama or Clinton? And what is "white guilt" after all? It is just mind boggling. 85% to 15%? ARe you kidding me?

[elizm]

1. Why do women vote for Hillary. Do you think it has anything to do with her being a woman? nt

[hill08]

4. do 85% of women vote for Hillary? Obviously not.

[pampango]

31. Isn't it like 60-65% of women voters going for Hillary? That is not

"mind boggling" but 80-85% is?

And 60% of the women's vote amounts to more votes in absolute numbers based on "identity" than the 80% of the much smaller Black vote.

[elizm]

42. Why do 65% of women vote for Hillary? Is it because she is a woman? nt

[hill08]

56. If it were 62% of black voters for Obama,

I would understand.. But 85 or even 90?

[Orsino]

94. Do you really not understand?

Women have voted since the twenties, and African-Americans for somewhat less time. Women have never been ghettoized in America, yet African-Americans still face this daily.

When all you leave a race of people is themselves, when all they have is each other, they tend to stick together.

[Hutzpa]

115. Poster does not get it, you wasting your time

Hillbot on parade.......

[SOS]

146. JFK received 83% of the Catholic vote in 1960.

nt

[SOS]

147. Sorry about the dupes

computer snafu.

[SOS]

148. self delete

nt

[SOS]

149. self delete

nt

[SOS]

150. self delete

nt

[libertee]

2. Yes, it has to do with your first question..!!!!

[cali]

3. Why are you and so many Clintonites fixated on race?

That's a very interesting question. Very interesting indeed.

[goldcanyonaz]

57. Why are so many Obamabites fixated on gender?

[cali]

67. that's an answer?

lame. But if you really want to know, it's because some supporters of both candidates are willing to muck around in the gutter, and some are actually sexist or racist.

[Athletic Grrl]

129. Don't look at me...

I'm a white, 40+ female supporting Obama.

[Strelnikov_]

134. You just need deprogramming . . .

then you'll vote 'correctly'.

[BluegrassDem]

5. Cause Bill Clinton pissed us all off

That's pretty much why.

[hill08]

7. and you vote based on being pissed off? Is it a mature reasoning?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. Oh. My. God.

:wow:

[Firespirit]

40. What's wrong with voting based on being pissed off?

You don't like the status quo, so you vote to throw it out. Some votes are cast FOR a candidate. Others are indeed cast AGAINST some other candidate. I cannot say what the AA community as a group is doing, but there's nothing wrong with either type of vote.

[polpilot]

59. The large attendance at all the caucuses are based on 'pissed off'

1st 'pissed on' NOW 'pissed off'

[libertee]

41. was going to ask the same thing...thanks!

[WillyT]

47. Ahem... Three Words... "Iron My Shirts"... Worked For Hillary, Eh ???

:wtf:

[NorthernSpy]

52. Look -- do you want answers, or do you want to argue?

You ask a question, someone starts to give you an answer, and you just shoot them down with uncalled-for snottiness.


And you say you can't figure out why your candidate is alienating people? Really?

[hill08]

83. so

the answer is, they want to help the first black candidate to become president? Is that the answer?

[NorthernSpy]

90. well, one clue...

... in my other post:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4539823&mesg_id=4540000

[Popol Vuh]

65. Ahhh....I would imagine

If Obama made some stupid remark about the woman's right movement having nothing to do with woman, but, some male politician, I'd be willing to bet that those current woman Obama supports would reevaluate their support for him.

I am just saying...

[Alexander]

119. Didn't Bush's regime piss you off? Don't you want to prevent another one?

You Shillbots are on a roll - one stupid post after another.

[jasmine621]

11. You mean because the media told you that you should be pissed at BC.

Not every black is pissed off at Bill because we read his comments or saw them in the context of his delivery. None of the comments made by BC or HC struck me as racist, demeaning, or dissing MLK.

[psychopomp]

139. I won't forget HRC's "spade work" comment

To me, that was blatant race-baiting, just like Bill Clinton's rushing back to Arkansas to oversee the execution of functionally retarded and very black Ricky Ray Rector, which allowed him to look tough on crime.

Rector didn't even seem to understand what was happening to him. He left part of the pecan pie from his last meal on his tray "for later."

Then there was also Sister Souljah (tough on blacks vote) and later, "Welfare Reform."

[butterfly77]

143. You beat me to it...

[jasmine621]

13. You mean because the media told you that you should be pissed at BC.

Not every black is pissed off at Bill because we read his comments or saw them in the context of his delivery. None of the comments made by BC or HC struck me as racist, demeaning, or dissing MLK.

[jasmine621]

14. You mean because the media told you that you should be pissed at BC.

Not every black is pissed off at Bill because we read his comments or saw them in the context of his delivery. None of the comments made by BC or HC struck me as racist, demeaning, or dissing MLK.

[ecstatic]

6. Catholics voted for Kennedy; Mormons for Romney

and I'm sure if Richardson were the nominee, he'd rack up most of the Latino vote. :shrug:

[hill08]

17. I am talking about this abnormal proportion: 85 to 15. It is ABNORMAL any way you look at it.

[goodgd_yall]

22. I'm a Hillary supporter like you, but I don't get your point? What's abnormal about it?

[ecstatic]

37. Was it "abnormal" when it was 85% + for Gore, Kerry, or B. Clinton?

or just when its for Obama?

[jackson_dem]

82. Neither got 85% in the Democratic primaries against others with perfect civil rights records

Of course, they didn't swiftboat their main rivals as racist either like Obama...

[EffieBlack]

152. Why is it "abnormal" for black people to vote overwhelmingly for a black candidate ONCE

but not abnormal for white people to vote overwhelmingly for white candidates OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again?

Hmmmmmm.

[goodgd_yall]

19. A little off topic but

Some Latino political analyst mentioned that when he brought up Richardson's name in California, most Latinos were surprised to know his was Hispanic.

[goodgd_yall]

8. Why not vote for someone who will break down the color barrier?

If he had a half-way decent agenda, I might too if I was black. But of course there are other considerations----experience, perception of ability to get things done, policies.

My impression is there is some white guilt, but not so much. I think people genuinely would like to see someone other than a white male in office. Also, he's younger and has a style that appeals to younger people. Clinton isn't cool and hip, etc. And she doesn't have the oratory skills of Obama.

[bunnies]

9. You cant possibly be serious with this bullshit.

Take it somewhere else. Fucking ridiculous. :eyes:

[Hieronymus]

10. Why will some women vote for Hillary, just to see a woman ..

president in their lifetime?

[CTyankee]

53. "just to see a woman president in their lifetime" is an empowering statement.

I voted for Hillary in my Super Tuesday primary because I didn't want to miss that chance in my lifetime. At my age, 68, it becomes kinda important. Especially since I have "hostages to destiny" as it were, with 3 granddaughters. YES, dammit, a woman president! About time!

[Hieronymus]

86. Yes, to hell with what's best for the country.......

:sarcasm:

[CTyankee]

130. You don't know

and you can never know...

[libertee]

or because males have been given plenty of years..and it's screwed up!

reason enough!

[Hieronymus]

106. Basing a decision on sex is sexist.

[NJSecularist]

12. The Clintons tried to play racial identity politics in NH and SC

It failed miserably.

That is why.

[in_cog_ni_to]

127. What exactly was that "racial identity politics" the Clintons tried to play? You mean the

swiftboating by Obama? Everyone knows the the TRUTH about that "fairie tale" LIE the Obama camp put out. Is it the "Jesse Jackson won SC twice"...meme? That story was ALSO PURE bullshit. Congressman Kendrick Meek (a black man) was WITH Bill Clinton when that "Jesse Jackson won SC twice" interview took place. He said (I saw the Meek interview myself) he was standing RIGHT NEXT TO Bill and Kendrick said the man asked Bill Clinton about the "Historical" voting of past SC elections and THAT is when he made that comment about Jesse Jackson winning there twice. There was NOTHING racial about it.

SO, tell me, how the fuck have the Clintons played "the racial identity politics" you speak of?

Obama SWIFTBOATED the Clintons. He knew how the black community felt about them. He HAD to get their votes if he was going to win SC and so he jumped on the first thing he could spin into a "racial" issue. Obama has done more to destroy this party than any politician I've seen in my lifetime.

[FrenchieCat]

15. Because Black folks know truth when they hear it?

And they know bullshit when it is being shoveled their way.

Black folks have seen a whole lot during history. They are skeptical of Mrs. Clinton because she has given them cause to be. An overwhelming majority of Black people were against this war.....as well.

That's why there is a saying originating from a Black folks; keep it real.

Obama does. Hillary doesn't.

[goldcanyonaz]

95. One could say the same thing about Latinos when it comes to Obama.

[RichGirl]

125. Did you know that Hillary was raised a republican.

But she changed parties and became a democrat because of the civil rights movement...because of MLK.

Bill Clinton could have set up his office anywhere. Did he put it in a classy part of NYC. No...he put it Harlem in order to lift that area up and the property values have sky rocketted. They are two of the most powerful people in the world and have been the biggest advocates for Africa Americans.

[ariesgem]

131. There are plenty of folks from Harlem who resent Clinton for setting up shop in the neighborhood.

Those "sky rocketing property values" you speak of assed-out many low income residents and black-owned businesses due to high rents and gentrification. These folks were long-time residents who resided there for generations and they're are all but gone. THEY were the heart, soul and part of the rich history of Harlem.

Gee, thanks Bill. You gave Harlem 'class'. :eyes:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/harlem-to-clinton-youre-ruining-us-408913.html


http://www.nysun.com/article/36435


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51300


http://www.columbiaspectator.com/node/22087

[Rosa Luxemburg]

16. do Cherokee Indians vote for him in droves?

[suston96]

18. Why, because he is black like them - the first one with a real chance at election as President....

...and what is wrong with that? Why do you ask a question with an obvious answer - other than as baiting?

[goodgd_yall]

26. Exactly.

[Redstone]

74. Baiting? You think? NOBODY could actually be as ignorant as the OP pretends to be.

Redstone

[Thrill]

20. Another Hillary supporter bringing up Race? Sad

[hill08]

29. I am just looking for an honest answer. 85 to 15.

It is very hard to explain by simply voters connecting with Obama's message. There is no other ethnic group that does it, is there? Again, 85 to 15!

[Thrill]

58. Sure you are

[nancyharris]

21. Black voters are not voting for Obama

simply because he is a Black candidate but because he is a Black Democratic candidate. Those same voters would do not support a Black Republican candidate. The same holds true for women voters voting for Hillary. Those same voters are unlikely to vote for a woman if she is a Republican.

[goodgd_yall]

27. Yes, well that's true too.

We have to qualify this.

[Adelante]

23. Why do 85% of white people vote for Hillary?

Oh, wait.

[hill08]

34. that's what I am trying to understand.

No other ethnic group votes in such disproportionate numbers for either candidate. Normally it never exceeds 65%.

[geek tragedy]

24. The answer you're looking for?

"Becaues they're uppity."

[cottonseed]

25. Because everytime a Hill supporter posts something stupid, 1 more voter switches.

nt

[ecstatic]

45. Bingo! nt

[malletgirl02]

93. Yes

The OP is not doing his candidate any favors. Also this post thread needs to be bookmark to use as an example of race baiting.

[hill08]

96. call it whatever you want,

but you still can't explain this voting pattern by simply saying that Obama is a great candidate. 85 to 15 is a couple standard deviations away from the norm and only a couple of people have admitted that black voters are just trying to help elect the first black president, which in and of itself is a disturbing motivation. Remember, women don't vote for Hill 85 to 15.

[intaglio]

28. I seem to recall that some campaign or other said that

Latinos vote largely for Hillary - and, deniably, that campaign suggested why

[NorthernSpy]

30. Okay, since you asked...

Ishmael Reed's analysis of how the Clintons alientated black voters:


Going Old South On Obama


Do yourself a favor and read the whole thing.

[thereismore]

32. They like him. nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. Why did a similar % vote for Kerry and for Clinton (Bill)

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/LA/P/00/epolls.0.html

Kerry - non white men 83%
Kerry - non white women 87%

[aka-chmeee]

35. It has been pointed out to me (not on DU)

that my non-support of Barack Obama is the result of my racism.
No one has ever made a convincing case to me that racism is a strictly white fault.

[hill08]

51. exactly.

This is a very disturbing double standard. And if people don't want to discuss it, it doesn't mean it will go away. It is intellectually dishonest to ignore this voting pattern, which repeats in every part of the US. 85 to 15, in some places 90 to 10. And Bill Maher said last week that black voters are owed more than women . Isn't it ridiculous? What kind of mindset is that?

[IndieLeft]

36. Stop Race Baiting

[daleks not included]

39. It is his race

When Micheal Steele was running in Maryland, he was running as a republican. The NAACP tolds blacks not to look at race but as policies. He lost. Blacks have always voted for the democrats. Blacks say that they should look at the republicans to be taken seriously. Bush got alot of black support over his gay stnace and giving money to black churches.

The democats know that with Obama they can count of black support all the way.



Mourning Edition had a series on blacks who are voting for Clinton. They talked about the struggles they face within the black community.


Ignore the whole "swiftboating Barak" when you mention race on this board. Race is a subject that alot of people don't want or know how to talk about.

[FrenchieCat]

46. I disagree.......because the Clinton were actually ahead in the Black vote

till Bill opened his trap......

It had nothing to do with the race of the candidates.
It had to do with Black folks, like everyone else; disliking the Politics of division.

[daleks not included]

64. NO

It was his race. Alot of the black talk show were shaming blacks for not voting for a black man. Some black men were calling black women traitors because they were africad they would vot for Hillary. The media made much ado about nothing when BC made those comments.

[NoGOPZone]

43. Who cares? In the general election

I'm expecting 90% of the black vote to go to the Dem nominee, regardless of who it is. That's not a problem, is it?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. Because black people aren't stupid.

Black people vote 85% to 90% for any given democrat in the GE. And for good reason.

[daleks not included]

135. Blacks Voting Democrat really has not helped them has it.

I look at my community and see the same shit for the last forty years. You would think that we would try and mix things up so that politicians would work harder.


The democratic party needs blacks. Blacks don't need them. That is why party officials were upset with BC. I have heard blcks say that if Hillry gets the nomination they will vote republican. Blacks know the power of race and voting in a group. I feel sorry for gays, Hillary supporters and anybody else that is not black. You will never get a voice because you are not powerful enough.


When Tavis Smily suggested voting for Huckabbee or McCain, he was labeld a jealous race traitor.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

140. That's the standard republican reply.

Of course they never explain why on earth blacks should vote for racists like Huckabee or McCain.

Like I said, black people aren't stupid.

[racaulk]

48. .

[Renew Deal]

49. The same reason why Kerry has gotten 83%

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4540069

[hill08]

99. did he get the 83% in every primary and caucus?

[CreekDog]

50. I don't know, have you asked any of them?

And you might want to ask a fair number of those voters because they are individuals, just like all the Clinton voters.

[Jim__]

54. Context, context, context!

Is there an extensive history of oppression of African-Americans in the US? Could that have something to do with it? Might that provide some justification for the propensity of African-Americans to act as group in certain circumstances? DO you think this type of proportionality would hold true if the US had had, say, 4 African-American presidents?

[Danger Mouse]

55. Because this is their moment.

A viable black contender at last, who speaks to their hearts, captures their imaginations, and offers them hope, yes the dreaded word hope...that their voices will be heard. In the wake of Katrina, which was a tragedy for the black community, Barack Obama offers them something they have never had before...and that's my thoughts, at least, on why black favor Obama overwhelmingly.
Course, I could be wrong. :hi:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

62. Kerry had a whopping great African American vote too!

>80%

[jackson_dem]

85. Not in the primaries

The only candidate who get such a high black vote in the primaries was Jesse Jackson.

The reason Obama is doing so well with black voters is because he swiftboated the Clintons on race. Prior to that he was losing the black vote. He should be ashamed of his tactics.

[NashVegas]

97. Can You Back That Up?

To the best of my knowledge, the stuff with Bill didn't start until just after New Hampshire. Did Obama really fare poorly with the black vote there?

[jackson_dem]

98. There wasn't enough of a black vote in IA and NH for it to show in exit/entrance polling

National polling had Hillary leading among blacks all of 2007.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

128. Obama didn't swiftboat anyone

I think he has always wanted to run for everyone not just one race.

I think the Clintons are sore because Bill 'always got the Black Vote' somehow Madame Coattailer thought she would too?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

66. Kerry had a whopping great African American vote too!

>80%

[Danger Mouse]

68. Strange, seems to be a lot of duping going on...

:shrug:

[hill08]

75. following your logic

women would have voted 85 to 15 for Hillary, because it is their moment? But it is not happening. Why? Can you explain?

[Danger Mouse]

122. What about black women?

And personally, I think Hillary is a more divisive figure than Obama.

[CreekDog]

60. I don't know, have you asked any of them?

And you might want to ask a fair number of those voters because they are individuals, just like all the Clinton voters.

[CreekDog]

61. I don't know, have you asked any of them?

And you might want to ask a fair number of those voters because they are individuals, just like all the Clinton voters.

[HeraldSquare212]

63. Historically, African-Americans vote for the Democrat. nt

[anigbrowl]

69. I think you took a wrong turning.

Stormfront is that way >>>>

[whatchamacallit]

70. What if it does have something to do with him being black?

Would that, in your opinion, invalidate their choice? It is after all THEIR choice. As it's been pointed out, there can be no denying Hillary's sex factors heavily into her popularity with women. The percentages don't negate the fact that there is a tremendous amount of self-identifying going on in regards to both candidates.

[daleks not included]

77. Whites are not racial or gender loyal

White women won't vot for Hillary just because she is a woman.

White men won't vote for Hillayr because she is white.

Whites split the vote on parties.


Lations split the vote.

You can always count on blacks to vote democratic and vote for a black canidate.

[hill08]

102. it is a good observation

[whatchamacallit]

118. Seriously?

:shrug:

[whatchamacallit]

117. This might be satire, right? n/t

[Redstone]

71. I'm guessing that you're not black. If you were, you'd not have asked such an

astonishingly ignorant question.

Redstone

[libertee]

73. 'This is so stupid..so if we vote for Hillary because she's a female

and we get the same question...we get the uppity attitude that we're "insensitive...That's crap!

[Redstone]

84. I don't quite understand your reply, but here's my opinion:

I have no right to question the motivation of a black American who wants to vote for Sen. Obama, just because he's black.

I have no right to question the motivation of a woman who wants to vote for Sen. Clinton, just because she's a woman.

Actually, I have no right to question ANYBODY'S motivation for voting for whoever they want to vote for. Nor does anyone else.

People will vote for whomever they want to, for whatever reason they want to. And it's nobody's fucking business but their own.

Redstone

[Redstone]

108. I think you were trying to reply to the OP, not to my post.

Redstone

[daleks not included]

87. You that he is non black because.....

The same question was asked 1) by a black man on a black message board 2) by some black co workes of mine 4) by a black racio station.


ALL voted for Obama

[Redstone]

107. Get back to me when you can post in English, OK?

Redstone

[NashVegas]

100. This Is An Awkward Thread. But, I'll Try

We have seen, on DU, threads and posts criticizing women for voting for Hillary, based on gender identity.

When you look at exit poll data, it's impossible to not notice how women are FAR more likely to cross the gender line and vote for an 'other' in this race (approx 46-47% of the female vote is going to Hillary) than any other demo.

Meanwhile, black voters are going with Obama at a rate of 80%->90% and higher. These voters are being given a complete pass while women who vote for Hillary are being demeaned.

It's a bullshit propaganda tactic and it's time the people who are slamming women because of their balanced vote are called on it.

I have no insult or argument towards black voters who are going with Obama due to racial identity; considering he's the first black person in US history with an actual chance, no one in their right mind could detract from that. OTOH, women - of all colors - deserve that same consideration.

[Redstone]

105. I, for one, am not going to demean any woman who votes for Sen. Clinton because

Sen. Clinton is a woman, for that reason alone or for any other reason.

No fucking way. It's not for me to disparage ANYONE'S reason for voting the way they do.

(Unless they're Republican, of course. Then they're fair game.)

Redstone

[NashVegas]

111. Why Do You Think I'm Being Reasonable Towards You?

:)

But I've seen more than one post (as I'm sure you have) demeaning women and/or our intelligence for voting for Hillary. On on TV, strategists speak openly of ways to court the female vote away from HC. I see no reason to hold back from pointing out the inequality of it.

edited to add a note: since Edwards dropped out, women are voting for Hillary at a rate of 55-60%. Before that I'm pretty sure it was more like 46% or so.

[TheDonkey]

72. Because Bill's desperate race offensive blew up in Hillary's face.

[libertee]

79. Okay..forget race...now people are voting for him because he's

a male...there's a positive chauvanist attitude.

[beachmom]

76. Like Kerry who won the LA primary in '04, Obama is the best candidate.

People like his message and think that he understands where they're coming from. They think he'll make things better for the country.

[libertee]

80. so are you wishing the same fate on us.

[DangerDave921]

78. human nature and politics converge

I think it is human nature to identify with a member of your own race. And when you add that he's a Dem and a charismatic person to boot, you're going to get a lot of folks in your corner. And the notion that they can help a black man rise to such a level of power is indeed very exciting.

[jackson_dem]

81. Obama swiftboated the Clintons on race

He was losing among blacks before he took the campaign into the gutter.

[hill08]

88. That's

exactly what he did. As Michelle called for black voters to wake up. I guess, Obama campaign will do and say anything to win.

[jackson_dem]

91. Barack himself spoke of "solidfying" the black vote in 2007

That was well before Bill Clinton ever challenged his record. Imagine if Hillary said "We need to solidify the white vote". The Audacity of Hypocrisy.

[Redstone]

110. And that's a problem, exactly why? Why SHOULDN'T black voters get together

and vote in their own self-interest, the same as ANY other group with a common interest?

Redstone

[jackson_dem]

112. Simple

We would all be, correctly, screaming racism if Hillary Clinton said "we need to solidify the white vote." The fact is it was the Obama camp who brought race into the campaign and then swiftboating the Clintons as racist.

Speaking of interests, both have perfect NAACP ratings. What is in Obama's platform that Hillary doesn't offer? Did Hillary change her platform overnight a few weeks ago? No. What changed was Obama swiftboated her and Bill on race. He should be ashamed of such pathetic tactis.

[IsItJustMe]

89. I see it as a three stage process.

First and most important: BO is a democrat
Second: They don't see big differenced between BO and HRC
Third: They would like to break the Glass ceiling and bring forth the first black American president.

I see nothing wrong with any of this. Do You? Appearenly so!!!

[BlackVelvet04]

92. Because they stick together as a group better than women do? n/t

[MagsDem]

101. Because he is black. Shame they are stuck with him

Simple answers to simple questions

[izzybeans]

103. Why have whites voted for only whites for president since the founding?

The double standard expressed in this OP is monumental.

[sofeisty]

104. Chris Rock says its because of parking tickets...

He said black voters think they will not have to pay them when Obama is in office. He seems to think they will expect LOTS of things. LOL.

[jmg257]

109. Simple...WHY NOT??? (end of message) nt

[Bucky]

113. Not "white guilt"! I'm voting for "white hope"! Obama will give us "White Victory!!" in November

Wait, that doesn't sound like how I meant it.

.

[quickesst]

114. As the thread grows....

in number of posts, the answers you seek should become clearer, and clearer. Of course all will not be able to, or will refuse to see it. Pretending certain facts pertaining to society do not exist is not rational. Thanks.
quickesst

[onenote]

116. Shouldn't Obama have only gotten 50 percent of the black vote against keyes

He got 92 percent. Yet, under the OP's way of looking at things, the African American vote should've split 50/50. In fact, since Obama's mother was white, shouldn't Keyes have done better?


I hated keeping this thread going, but I couldn't let such a ridiculous OP go unanswered.

[NorthernSpy]

120. I remember election night 2006, when the senate race in Missouri flipped to a Dem victory...

It happened at the last moment, because Missouri is one of those states where the Democratic precincts -- heavily black urban areas -- take longest to tally, and consequently report late.

That was a great night. A number of critical victories were made possible by that solid "black block".


I don't remember anyone here complaining about black block-voting then.

[sfam]

121. Clinton's SC strategy cost her at least 20-25% of the black vote...

I think Obama would still have been around 60%, but the totals we're seeing now are uncalled for, unless folks really think the Clintons did them wrong. Quite clearly they do.

[angie_love]

123. I'll throw a bone to this idiotic OP

I will never speak for any black person b/c I could never know what its like to be in their shoes. But I can try to imagine. An empathetic person would understand it in a heartbeat. I can only imagine what feeling oppressed for so many years with segregation, slavery, discrimination, racism feels like. So when finally, the first viable DEMOCRATIC black candidate comes along, of course most black people will want to vote for him. Its a historic and heartwarming feeling that a black person could actually become president and close the chapter of slavery, segregation, etc. It will say alot about how America has grown up and moved on. It is a very powerful statement. So don't try to pretend that you don't know the reason black people would want to vote for Obama, don't even go there. I can't believe the idiotic posts some people come up with. The most ugly posts I've seen have come from democrats themselves and not from repugs.

[CTLawGuy]

124. Person with low post count

starts inflammatory and insulting thread attacking Obama. Ho hum.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

126. 90% of black voters for for white Democrats all the time.

Suddenly, a vast majority of them vote for a black candidate, and now it's racial. :eyes:

[Uzybone]

132. Because he is black

Black Americans are not going to let a chance to vote in a qualified black candidate pass by. Most of us didn't think he had a chance before NH.

[Uzybone]

133. Because he is black

Black Americans are not going to let a chance to vote in a qualified black candidate pass by. Most of us didn't think he had a chance before NH.

[psychopomp]

138. No, it is not only because he is black

It is because people like what they see. If, for example, it were Alan Keyes and not Sen. Obama in the contest for the nomination, I think the numbers might be reversed.

The image of Michelle Obama and her kids in the White House, that very wholesome-looking first family being the new role model for the nation, is very powerful. Honestly, that alone is a terrific selling point for Sen. Obama's campaign, but it will never be overtly acknowledged.

[hill08]

153. sad fact is that

black voters do not exhibit any semblance of balanced approach when voting in these primaries. Look at the results in Virginia--90 to 10 for Obama.

[HughBeaumont]

136. This thread needs to be destroyed by Bruiser Brody.

[Jed Dilligan]

137. This may explain some of it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4542078&mesg_id=4542724

[IronLionZion]

141. Just to piss you off. Everybody knows it bothers you. And that's awesome! nt

[Infinite Hope]

142. As a european-american, I can say blacks have long been ahead of curve on social/political issues nt

[butterfly77]

144. One of the reasons is that he is black..

and they feel that he has a chance of winning but they aren't looking at the issues. My problems with a lot of the people I speak with is that some of them are now pretending that they hate Hillary but, if Obama wasn't in the race they would be singing a different song..

[newmajority]

145. Because everytime a Hillbot posts a race-baiting topic

A Klansman gets his sheets. :puke: :banghead:

[EffieBlack]

151. Why do white voters vote overwhelmingly for white candidates?

Maybe you don't notice it because they spread their votes out between more than one white candidate. But if you have one black candidate and three white candidates, you can bet, in most instances, 90-99% of the white voters will vote against the black candidate.

Why is that? Do you think it's because white people are racist? It's mind-boggling - 99% to 1% Are you kidding me?

And while you're trying to stereotype black voters, you should first look at the facts. Among other things, black voters almost always vote in much larger percentages for white candidates than white voters vote for black candidates.

This election is different - it is one of the first times that a majority of black voters have voted for the black candidate. They didn't do it with Sharpton. They didn't to it with Moseley Braun. They didn't do it with Doug Wilder.

So, you're supposed "puzzlement" about why 85% of black voters are voting for Obama is misplaced, since this is certainly not a consistent pattern. Given that black voters obviously don't just automatically vote for black candidates, the fact that so many are voting for Obama must have to do with something other than race, as much as you're trying to twist it into a race issue.

[theboss]

154. I have never voted for a black man before today because I never had the chance

Because I've never had a black man on a ballot in an election I voted in. Growing up in WV will do that for you.

My guess is that if you have a chance to make history, you do it.

[theboss]

155. If you have a chance to make history, you should do it

Bob Costas made a great point on Real Time the other night. Maher called Obama, "The Jackie Robinson" of politics because he is the "perfect" black candidate.

Costas pointed out that the guys who followed Jackie did not have to be perfect.

This may - hopefully - one of the last elections where race and gender really matter in a profound, noticeable way. Hopefully, the next black candidate pulls equally from black and whites. But right now, this is a historical moment.

(And don't bring up Jesse. Jesse was a chance to vote for a black man who had no shot at the White House. Voting for someone who can actually win is an entirely different story).

[JuniperLea]

156. all y'all are nutty as hell... eom