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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:52 PM
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There is much they(GOP/RNC/527's) can use against Obambi
then maybe we should do it now and not lose in November. WHY?

They've gone after Hillary for 15 years so there's nothing left to dredge up,
but Obama is fresh meat. There is so much they can use against him,
especially as he has positioned himself as being just this side of sainthood:

1. Exelon
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.hancock25jan25,0,4656523.column

Tthe Exelon-Obama link is especially strong. Exelon employees
and others close to the company have given almost $195,000 to Obama,

2. Mediocre record as US Senator. All the missed votes, the lack of leadership.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/02/obama.missed.votes/index.html

3. All the "present" votes in the Illinois Senate as well as the six votes where he "accidentally" voted incorrectly http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamavotes24jan24,0,713086.story to avoid taking sides

3. Stepping on Alice Palmer to get his first public office
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story

Operatives for Barack Obama began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures
on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the
city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic
primary rivals was forced off the ballot.

4. Rezko, especially Obama's below market personal real estate deals with him
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article

Obama paid Rezko $104,500 for a strip of his land. The transaction occurred at a time
when it was widely known Tony Rezko was under investigation by U.S. Attorney Patrick
Fitzgerald and as other Illinois politicians befriended by Rezko distanced themselves from him.

In the Sun-Times interview, Obama acknowledged approaching Rezko about the properties
being up for sale and that Rezko developed an immediate interest. Obama did not explain why
he reached out to Rezko given the developer's growing problems.
Last month, Rezko was indicted.

5. The doctrine of his church
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-and-afrocentric

6. His "fairy tale" opposition to the war given he voted to fund it
for two years and hardly mentioned it once he got the US Senate seat
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/03/22/obama_defends_votes_in_favor_of_iraq_funding/

"I have been very clear even as a candidate that, once we were in, that we were
going to have some responsibility to make (Bush's War) work as best we could..."

7. Cocaine
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/02/AR2007010201359_pf.html

8. Maureen Dowd nicknaming him "Obambi"
http://donkeyod.wordpress.com/2006/12/12/will-hillzilla-crush-obambi/

9. His middle name

10. Sadly, race, but look how they slimed one of their own, McCain, in South Carolina in 2000.

This is just stuff that can be pulled together in minutes. They will leave no stone unturned to find anything else they can. And anytime Barack uses that Cheney/Rumsfeld/experience meme, the converse is the Bush/no experience example.

This Obama wave is celebrity culture infecting politics. I wish his supporters were paying more attention.

Yea, the guy reads a script well off a teleprompter, but I wish there was more to him. It's going to get very interesting.

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libertee Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:53 PM
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1. they are preparing it as we 'speak' if you read around!
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:59 PM
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5. Oh noes
Too bad nobody at the Obama camp is even aware that there are sites like Free Republic and the American Thinker out there spreading hate and BS. Boy, are they in for a big surprise when they find that that there are Republicans using the internet as well! They just have NO IDEA!

I'd refute your silly arguments individually but most of them have been refuted already. Keep it coming though - as you say, the more mud you sling now, the less impressed anyone will be when the GOP slings more of it later.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:55 PM
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2. K & R! This must be considered seriously!
:hi:

Everything you said sums up what I believe.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:07 PM
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35. And take a look at Obama's church - Anti White Race?
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 10:12 PM by pathansen
See:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-and-afrocentric

And he's been a member there for 20 years?
Completely pro-Black, pro-African.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:57 PM
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3. Yes, we Obama supporters are just so unsophisticated !
Thank you for enlightening us.

I'm sure Hillary would glide through the general election without a scratch since all of her misdeeds are "old news."

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:58 PM
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4. there is much "they" WILL drudge up on Hillary as well, doesn't matter
if it has any real merit- just as it doesn't matter what real merit anything brought up on Obama would have-
The RNC is going to go for the throat- and they both have throats, and they both bleed.

This kind of argument is worth nothing in my opinion. Should Hillary be the choice because she's someone the RNC loves to attack?

Screw that- How about Hillary should be the choice because of these ______________ and ________________and ________________ positive things.

Being a rape victim doesn't preclude you from being a rape victim again. Nor does it make the experience any less traumatic. ( I don't use this analogy lightly)

peace~
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:00 PM
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6. NO Hillary has been well vetted over the past 15 years...the repukes have NOTHING on Hillary
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:04 PM
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10. I hope you don't have to be proven wrong-
honestly I do.

peace~
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libertee Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:09 PM
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16. That is the truth and can ANYONE handle scrutiny with more
class, male or female...I don't think so!!!
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:09 PM
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18. have you seen any stories about her brothers?
No, nothing the republicans would use there....
:eyes:
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:02 PM
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7. I though we agreed to stop the ignorant snide nick names.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:02 PM
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8. Guess we know where to tell them to find it. The GOP thanks you for your efforts. n/t
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:03 PM
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9. the idea there is nothing left on Clinton is foolish
Real or imagined they will smear any Democrat that's for certain.

Unfortunately for Sen Clinton half the population has formed an opinion of her and it isn't good.




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libertee Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:10 PM
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19. wow have you been busy...meeting have the population..I could be impressed..
but then..maybe not.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:57 PM
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27. got me.
zinged me good there.

but take a look


Which candidate still in the race has the highest negatives?




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libertee Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:10 PM
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20. wow have you been busy...meeting have the population..I could be impressed..
but then..maybe not.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:04 PM
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11. Hm. All those weaknesses. So, tell me.
Is it that Hillary Clinton is so weak a candidate that Obama is still beating her? Is it that Hillary Clinton is so awful a campaigner she isn't able to make the most of those?

Or, rather, is it that every candidate has flaws, and the Obama campaign has done an admirable job of defining the narrative?
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:05 PM
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12. come on people...what's with the childish names?
we look and sound like children here rooting for class president. Lets grow up a little okay? If you have something to say try saying it in a rational adult manner...it may be taken seriously.

:rant:

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:06 PM
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13. There's nothing for Bush to dredge up about Clinton as they WON'T get into Jackson Stephens
and the closing of books on IranContra, BCCI, etc...because the REAL PROBLEMS of a Clinton presidency is that Bushes are PROTECTED by the Clintons.

There is ALOT about the Clintons that got glossed over but because it was in SERVICE to Poppy Bush and his cronies, there was no way RW would highlight those matters. How many RWers complained that Marc Rich was a named figure in both BCCI and IranContra operations? No - you only hear about Denise and MONEY to library - never that Rich was an operative for POPPY BUSH.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:14 PM
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22. And that's about it.
Good post, blm.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:07 PM
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14. Obambi? I see you haven't grown up yet. No surprise there. So
you're ignored until you do.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:09 PM
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15. If Obama is our candidate there is no doubt in my mind that the
RW will find plenty to smear him with, even if they have to make it up. I believe they are just waiting to see if he will be the Democratic nominee before they unleash the hounds.

BTW, even if Maureen Dowd is the one who originally nicknamed him "Obambi", I find your use of the name in your subject line to be rather juvenile.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:09 PM
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17. I agree with you completely! Thanks for this!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:11 PM
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21. That's really lame.
Obambi?

Why'd ya leave out the Hill-zilla part?

Grow up.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:14 PM
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23. Ben David, you are being naive
To think that they haven't been watching both Hillary and Bill for the past 10 years is just silly. I've heard rumors of lists of Bill's female "friends" being compiled, and I know there must be a lot more.

Most of what you've listed in your OP is just plain silly, too. "Obambi"?, his church? Matter of fact, the Clinton campaign has already tried using most of those things.

Obama can handle it.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:15 PM
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24. Holy Shit! He's not perfect?!?!
That's it, I'm voting for Gary Bauer! (aka 'Eggplant')
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:27 PM
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25. I have a crazy Evangelical in my
family so I always know what they are up to....she is convinced that he is a Muslim and must be stopped. There is no convincing her otherwise. Her preacher said it; that settles it.

Wall Street is his major donor...he isn't what he says he is.

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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:08 PM
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28. I thought the 100 thousand or so
people just like me were his largest donors.
I'm no where near Wall Street.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:26 PM
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29. Maybe you should check Goldman
Sachs and Lehman. Those were the top 2.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:37 PM
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31. you realize
those listing are for donation above the $200 mark.
samller donation do not have the same disclosure rules.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:09 AM
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36. Yes, I realize you poor, stupid
folks who are easily enamored by sermons and slogans. That one, "Yes, We Can" was stolen by BO from the Mexican Farm Workers...did you know that?

He's a cagey and calculating politician..but since the american public is so stupid, he doesn't have to worry.

Keep giving him $$....you'd be better off giving it to our Treasury to bring down the debt.

American Empire is over...we're too stupid to exist.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:30 PM
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26. He also recommended $1 million to his boss from a charity on whose board he sat.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:30 PM
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30. You do good work. Maybe they'll pay you.
Now some for Hillary, and there is more.......:

Courtesy of The New Republic, here's a small sampling of what to expect should Clinton go up against McCain. Compare it to Obama's transactions with Rezko. Talk about rolling the dice - Bill Shaheen said that Obama could be a drug dealer for all we know. Well, here's a few things we DO know

----


THE DONOR
Norman Hsu, Hong Kong "apparel executive."


THE GREEN
Hsu bundled more than $850,000 for Hillary's presidential campaign and $260,000 for Clinton's Senate races.


THE SCANDAL
Hsu parlayed his charming, obsequious personality into a spot as one of the top twenty Democratic fund-raisers nationwide. Problem is, he turned out to be a convicted felon, on the lam since 1992 due to a grand theft conviction. Then, this December, Hsu was indicted for running a pyramid scheme that defrauded investors out of at least $20 million and that made $25,000 a year in fraudulent political donations.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
8. Hsu missed his initial (September 5) court date for the 1992 grand theft charge, only to be apprehended a day later on a train in Colorado; he was "freaked out," shirtless, shoeless, and holding a suitcase packed with Tiffany jewelry and $7,000 in cash. Now in federal custody, he confessed to running "phony" companies and leaning on investors to make political donations.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS (on a scale of 1 to 10)
7. Extensive Hsu coverage stretched out over several news cycles during Hillary's presidential campaign, and the sordid details of the affair--the pyramid schemes, the links to Asian gangs, the eccentric professional con artist himself--stirred up memories of Clinton fund-raising scandals past. Hillary blamed the fiasco on errors in the donor-screening process.


**


THE DONORS
Marc Rich, fugitive American businessman; Denise Rich, songwriter and socialite.


THE GREEN
Denise Rich contributed $70,000 to Hillary's Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund.


THE SCANDAL
Over seventeen years after Marc Rich fled to Switzerland to avoid charges of racketeering, illegal trading, and tax evasion (he owed $48 million), Bill Clinton pardoned Rich during his last moments in the White House. His ex-wife Denise's generous donations and Friend of Bill status gave the pardon a particularly rotten stench.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7.5. Rich has been accused of a long list of white-collar crimes. The classiest: trading with Iran while the country was still holding U.S. hostages.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
9.5. As Hillary began her career in the Senate, a media frenzy and investigations in both houses of Congress and the Justice Department were launched to see if Denise's contributions bought her ex-husband's pardon. Though the president was never indicted for wrongdoing, the Rich affair is often mentioned as Exhibit A of Clintonian sliminess.


**


THE DONOR
Aaron Tonken, former Hollywood fund-raiser, current federal penitentiary inmate in California.


THE GREEN
In 2000 he hosted a fund-raiser that took in more than $1 million for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.


THE SCANDAL
Tonken originally drew interest from the FBI for failing to report some donations from the event to the FEC. Although he was never charged for election-law violations, in 2003 he pleaded guilty to stealing from charities, including, according to an ABC News report, the Betty Ford clinic. He is currently serving a five-year sentence for mail and wire fraud.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
9. The self-described con man got his start in Hollywood as Zsa Zsa Gabor's dog keeper. He sold stories about her to tabloids and snuck tourists into her dilapidated, dog feces-ridden mansion while she was out of town. In his memoir, King of Cons, Tonken wrote, "In a land of moral imbeciles, I knew I could be king."


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
4. A fund-raising committee for Hillary Clinton's 2000 campaign had to pay $35,000 in fines to the FEC for underreporting the costs of the gala, even though a federal inquiry failed to find any culpability on the Clintons' part. The financial burden to the Clinton campaign was insignificant--the real harm done was in the image of guilt by association.


**


THE DONOR
Peter F. Paul, renaissance man, jack of all trades.


THE GREEN
He co-hosted the 2000 fund-raiser with Tonken.


THE SCANDAL
How did Paul underwrite the gala? According to The Washington Post, by improperly borrowing more than $4 million from Merrill Lynch. Shortly after that was discovered, Paul hopped a plane to Brazil and spent years waging a two-front war: fighting extradition and trying to sue Hillary for underreporting the value of the event. In 2003, Paul was extradited to the U.S., and Clinton agreed to pay a $35,000 fine to the Federal Election Commission.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
9.5. You've gotta give this guy credit for flamboyance. According to The Washington Post, Paul's laundry list of crimes includes a 1970s plot to sell $8.75 million worth of nonexistent coffee beans to Fidel Castro--the plan was to sink an empty cargo ship before it reached Cuba so he could keep the cash. In 1979, he was imprisoned for fraud and cocaine possession, then later violated parole, reportedly fleeing to Canada with a dead man's identity. After his release from prison in the '80s, he served as partner and manager to Fabio.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
4. Hillary offered the same explanation for missing Paul's criminal background as she gave for missing Norman Hsu's: technical errors in the vetting process. It worked--by 2008, most Americans have forgotten about Peter F. Paul.


**


THE DONOR
Sant S. Chatwal, founder of Bombay Palace restaurants.


THE GREEN
In 2000, Chatwal hosted a half-million dollar fund-raiser for Clinton in New York. In 2007, he declared his intentions to raise $5 million for Hillary's presidential campaign.


THE SCANDAL
According to The Washington Post, as of September 2007, The IRS was pursuing him for $4 million in back taxes, the State of New York for another $5 million, and the FDIC is suing himin connection with a failed bank venture. The Post wrote, "Yet none of the legal and financial woes--occasionally touched on in American or Indian newspapers or highlighted by political opponents--raised red flags inside Hillary Clinton's fund-raising operation."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
4. Though Chatwal's legal troubles span several suits and two continents (he's also been charged with bank fraud in India), his alleged crimes lack the color and imagination of, say, a Peter F. Paul.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
1. So far, none. But if any of the lawsuits against him come to a head during election season, the timing would be awful for Clinton.


**


THE DONORS
International Profit Associates (IPA), an Illinois-based management consulting and business development company.


THE GREEN
Bill Clinton pocketed $125,000 for addressing IPA workers in December 2001. The Chicago Sun-Times reported that firm employees have forked over nearly $130,000 in contributions to Hillary's Senate campaigns since 2000.


THE SCANDAL
IPA has faced a string of scandals--most notably, a widely reported sexual harassment suit involving 113 former female employees. Two of them told their stories on a 2005 episode of "Oprah Winfrey Show."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
8.5. The harassment suit included accusations that the CEO offered money to a female employee in exchange for sex and that a sales manager would pin female employees up against the wall and ask if they enjoyed intercourse.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
3. Though never a large-scale national scandal, it doesn't look good that Hillary has, in effect, shrugged off what the lead attorney for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (the federal agency leading the investigation) called one of the "most egregious case of sex harassment that the Chicago district office has seen." Senator Clinton--unlike other politicians who received campaign donations from IPA employees, such as Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle--has opted not to return the contributions.


**


THE REELECTION FUND-RAISING FIASCO

The tangled web of scandals associated with the Clinton-Gore reelection campaign in 1996 led to hearings by a Senate committee led by Fred Thompson. Though Thompson's hearings are widely considered to have been a bust, several unsavory characters came to light.



THE DONOR
Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, Taiwanese-Arkansan restaurateur-turned-fund-raiser.


THE GREEN
Trie funnelled more than $2.2 million, much of it from foreign corporate donors, to the DNC from 1994-1996 and helped pay $460,000 of the Clintons' legal bills between 1994-1997.


THE SCANDAL
Trie, who knew Clinton from his days as the owner of the Fu Lin restaurant in Little Rock, moved to Washington in 1994 and began donating to the Clintons and the DNC through various shady channels, including through "straw donors," typically poor legal immigrants who stand in for foreign businesspeople.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Trie was notorious for peddling access to President Clinton. Most distressingly, he set up a White House coffee klatch with a Chinese arms dealer.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
7. Trie earned the dubious distinction of being the first Clinton donor indicted during the Justice Department's 1997 campaign finance investigation.


**


THE DONOR
John Huang, businessman and Commerce Department official under the Clinton administration from 1993 to 1995.


THE GREEN
He raised $3.4 million for the DNC in 1996. Most of it has since been returned.


THE SCANDAL
In 1996 Huang solicited an illegal donation of $250,000 from a company in South Korea, as well as $425,000 from donors whose U.S. citizenship was an issue of contention. He also co-organized a 1996 fund-raising event at the Hsi Lai Temple in Southern California, where monks and nuns under an oath of poverty mysteriously contributed large sums of money to the DNC. It was later revealed that they were reimbursed for their donations by the church, and the money had to be returned.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7.5. Thompson's committee suggested darkly that Huang may have been acting as an "agent of influence" for China, though the committee ultimately had scant evidence supporting the plot.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
8. Considerable. Though the money he raised was primarily for the DNC, Huang had remarkable access to the president and the West Wing. The Commerce Department even gave him a top-secret security clearance--with a cursory background check far less thorough than normal procedure--when he was still a private citizen.


**


THE DONOR
James Riady, Indonesian banking magnate.


THE GREEN
Riady and his business associates gave more than $700,000 to the Democratic Party between 1991 and 1997. They also paid $100,000 to Clinton friend Webster L. Hubbell, who resigned from his job as associate attorney general after being charged with tax evasion and mail fraud.


THE SCANDAL
Riady, a regular visitor to the Clinton White House, was busted by the Justice Department in 2001 for funneling foreign corporate money into Clinton's 1992 election effort. (He had to pay out $8.6 million to the DOJ--the largest campaign finance settlement in history.) In 1997, the Thompson-led committee accused Riady of maintaining "a long-term relationship with a Chinese intelligence agency."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Riady was a big fund-raiser for Bill from his Arkansas days, and repeatedly pressed Clinton on sensitive foreign policy issues. Riady was also closely linked to a number of other scandals, including the improper appointment of John Huang (a former manager at Riady's company) and the Hsi Lai Temple fund-raiser (which was organized by Huang).


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
6. In 1997, pre-cigar, William Safire called the Riady affair "the low point of the Clinton Presidency." Still, his name is all but forgotten today.


**


THE DONOR
Johnny Chung, a Taiwan-born, California-based businessman.


THE GREEN
He gave $366,000 in personal and corporate donations between 1994 and 1996. All the money was returned by the DNC.


THE SCANDAL
Chung's contributions to the Democratic Party earned him significant access to the Clinton administration: He made at least 49 visits to the White House between 1994 and 1996. He arranged for five of his Chinese business clients to attend a taping of one of President Clinton's weekly radio addresses after making a $50,000 donation to the DNC. Furthermore, Chung claimed that part of his donated funds came from sources connected to the Chinese government. (The Chinese government emphatically denies the allegations.)


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Ick! One radioactively slimy Chung quote: "The White House is like a subway: You have to put in coins to open gates."


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
7. Chung was one of the most recognizable--and damning-- figures in the campaign finance controversy; 49 White House visits will have that effect.



**


THE DONOR
Roger Tamraz, a Lebanese-American businessman.


THE GREEN
Tamraz and his company donated $300,000 to the Democratic Party in 1995 and 1996.


THE SCANDAL
In 1996, Tamraz apparently sought to leverage his donations into a face-to-face meeting with President Clinton over the objections of a National Security Council staff member. Members of the Democratic National Committee, the CIA, and the Clinton administration were all alleged to have gone to bat on Tamraz's behalf to allow him access to the White House. Tamraz then used the meeting to propose a $2.5-billion oil pipeline through Central Asia, a proposal that was then passed on to officials in the Energy Department. (Nothing ever came of it.) He was later a key witness at the Thompson committee hearings.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Know when your reputation could use a boost? When The New York Times writes sentences about you like this: "Indeed, in describing Mr. Tamraz in testimony on Wednesday and again today, the adjective used most often by lawmakers was 'shady.'" (It didn't help that when Joe Lieberman asked Tamraz at the Senate hearing if he thought he got his "money's worth" for his $300,000 donation, Tamraz replied "I think next time I'll give $600,000.") Also, at the time of his meeting with Clinton, Tamraz was wanted by Interpol for allegedly embezzling hundreds of millions of dollars from a Beirut bank. In a separate case before that, the Times reported, a French court had ordered him to pay $56 million for his role in the collapse of a French bank.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
3.5. Not so bad in the context of the larger scandals. But Tamraz's name continues to surface from time to time, most recently on the best-seller list and the movie marquee. The saga of a man (modeled after Tamraz) using cash to gain access and influence in the White House appeared in former CIA agent Robert Baer's book See No Evil, which served as the inspiration for Syriana.




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HONORABLE MENTIONS

So many donors, so little time. Here, other donors who have sullied the Clintons' reputation over the years.

Jeffrey Epstein: In 2002, the wealthy money-manager and Friend of Bill flew the former president in his private jet to Africa to discuss AIDS policy. He was recently indicted on charges of soliciting prostitution from underage girls. The Smoking Gun has the gruesome details. (Warning: Link is disgusting.)

John K.H. Lee: The South Korean businessman scored a meeting with President Clinton in 1996 after making a $250,000 donation to the DNC. Under U.S. federal election law, foreign companies and individuals are not permitted to make donations, but Lee tried to skirt the restriction by donating via a U.S. subsidiary of his company, which, problematically, didn't really exist. When it was discovered in September 1996 that the money had originated from Lee's South Korea-based parent company, the DNC returned the contribution.

Pauline Kanchanalak: Kanchanalak, a business executive and Democratic fund-raiser who met frequently with President Clinton, was sentenced to six months of house arrest in 1996 for funneling $690,000 of foreign contributions to the DNC. She claimed the money came from her in-laws.

Ng Lap Seng: The businessman and owner of Macau's Fortuna Hotel (per The Washington Post, "known as much for its prostitutes working the lobby as for its floor show of whip-wielding, leather-clad dancers upstairs") wired more than one million dollars to convicted Clinton donor Charlie Trie between 1994 and 1996 through a company the two co-owned--nearly a quarter of that money ended up in the DNC's hands. Ng attended DNC events and met with the Clintons at the White House.

Abdul Rehman Jinnah: According to the Los Angeles Times, this Pakistani immigrant raised more than $45,000 for Hillary Clinton's HillPac, allegedly reimbursing employees who contributed to Democratic causes, including Clinton's political action committee, which is illegal. He fled to Pakistan after a grand jury indicted him for violations of election law in 2006, and was placed on the FBI "featured fugitives" list. He returned to the U.S. last year.

Ron Burkle: He's never been accused of any crimes, but Ron Burkle lies at the center of any innuendo about Bill Clinton's post-presidential life. A much-commented-upon May 2006 New York Times article stated, "Mr. Clinton is rarely without company in public, yet the company he keeps rarely includes his wife. Nights out find him zipping around Los Angeles with his bachelor buddy, Ronald W. Burkle." The zippy Burkle, friends with Bill since 1992, often flies the former president in his private Boeing 575, described by Clinton as "Ron Air" and "Air Force Two." Burkle, also reportedly a "longtime friend" of Michael Jackson, has thrown lavish fund-raisers for Hillary at Green Acres, his Hollywood estate. Rumors abound about the supermarket billionaire's private life. "Page Six" covered Bill's bachelor buddy unfavorably, writing that he used the jet to entertain young models--and that he was dating Gisele Bundchen. Burkle then made headlines by secretly recording an alleged extortion attempt by a reporter for the gossip column. He has also been accused of using his influence as a Democratic donor to speed a law through the California legislature that would have kept the records of his messy divorce proceedings sealed.

Bill Clinton has been a senior advisor to Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. since early 2002. Clinton is only now trying to untangle himself from the company, a move that will simultaneously free him from questions about Yucaipa's ties to Dubai, while also netting a reported $20 million payday. One particularly shady deal Clinton's scheduler helped Yucaipa arrange was its investment in Catholic Church properties at the urging of a young Italian businessman named Raffaello Follieri. As The Wall Street Journal reported last fall, in 2005, Follieri intimated to Clinton aide Douglas Band that Yucaipa could make a killing on the deal--and that his ties to the Vatican would smooth the transaction. Yucaipa plowed as much as $100 million into the venture, and Band was paid a $400,000 "finder's fee" by Follieri. The Italian then spent Yucaipa's cash on an apartment in New York, private jets, and gifts for himself and his girlfriend, The Devil Wears Prada star Anne Hathaway. Burkle is currently suing Follieri for misappropriating at least $1.3 million.

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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 09:17 PM
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32. And he seems way too thin skinned, overly sensitive to criticism
If he thinks Hillary mistreats him, how is he going to react if the GOP finally goes after him the way they've gone after Hillary for many years?
I'm concerned that he won't last a month.
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33. If you don't mind posting what could be dredged up about the
Clintons you might not know; it could be added to this thread.
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34. Obama's pressing the wrong button time and time again will make him
the laughing stock in the GE. Would you trust him with the nuclear weapon button?
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