Hillary is going to concede

[Divine Discontent]

at some point (hey, everyone else gets to make a mean ol' funny on here, I want just one, ha), and I think it's best to do it now, because I really don't dislike her a lot, but I think it should be obvious to her with Obama on a roll of more than likely, 10 wins, that she see she cannot get the vote totals she needs, and this way, she could run again in 4 (hopefully not), or 8 years (I'd consider her at least), but sticking around to make it tougher on the DEM is not good. I hope she realizes it's good for the party, and I will really be impressed.

Does anyone else think she'll leave this early, or only after a few states after Tex/Ohio, where her percentage of (potential) victory there will make it really clear she cannot win this?

[boricua79]

1. she's speaking tonight at 8:40...who knows.

[Eurobabe]

2. That would be so out of character

I think she is in till the bitter end. No way will she drop out.

[BringBigDogBack]

5. Unfortunately,

that's part of the problem. You're right.

[Adsos Letter]

6. I agree...

no matter what anyone thinks of her, the lady is a scrapper...

[MagsDem]

3. No chance in hell

She will win TX OH and PA and it will be deadlocked again.

[Renew Deal]

11. Heard the same thing about Edwards

No chance in hell. Then Howard Dean had a talk with him. This race is likely over 3/4. Also, have you looked at the states other than Texas and Ohio? They mostly favor Obama.

[Hoof Hearted]

Howard Dean! LOL! Howard Dean? Anyone who thinks HRC takes orders from Dean is high as a kite!

That's just silliness talking.

[Renew Deal]

27. Why do you think Edwards is gone?

It's not because he wanted to get out.

[Hoof Hearted]

46. Up! Up! and Away!

Why do I think Edwards got out? He was polling under 20% - everywhere. It sure as hell wasn't Howard Dean.

[GoldieAZ49]

42. Regarding TX - Hispanic votes following the countries trend

Arnold Garcia at the Austin American-Statesmen

Hispanic votes following the countries trend, younger voters (mid 20's) are going with Obama

with the voting blocks changing, as seen in VA, the rest of them across the country may be changing as well.

On another note, earlier today I heard there was disappointment in the Latino community because of the Clinton campaign manager change, they felt she was getting blamed for the losses.

[awaysidetraveler]

15. You'll need fishy math for that projection. Obama would have to lose 100 delegates

in those states to make up for the wins he's gaining now.

Who knows, maybe the superdelegates will rip the party apart, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[CreekDog]

21. Obama would have to lose by 150+ delegates as of tonight!

He's likely to win Wisconsin now because she isn't even giving him a fight there.

The clock is running out on her, or has.

[flor de jasmim]

4. I think she'll fight to the bitter end

First, she's too close to give up now. Tenacity is her middle name. I think she'd stay in even if she weren't so class and be a Huckabee.

[Divine Discontent]

10. is that good?

I mean, like me, do you think it's a losing battle and she just doesn't care about our party winning more than she cares about having a chance to win herself? I mean, my fave of faves of those running this time, John E., dropped out, but he was at least surging when he left, he didn't have to, but I think he did it for the good of the party.

I would expect her to do the same - Obama's run here is VERY impressive, and even if she wins those couple big states, he seems to be winning everything else handedly!

[Renew Deal]

7. The race will probably not go past 3/4 no matter what happens.

Barring a huge Clinton win, it's likely over on 3/4.

[BeatleBoot]

8. 2,025

Rezko trial on the horizon...

It ain't over yet....

[lse7581011]

9. I Wish!

but highly doubt!

[rodeodance]

12. Chelsea in LaCrosse WI today, Bill on Thurs, Health care ads running statewide-GO HILLARY

Chelsea in LaCrosse WI today, Bill on Thurs, Health care ads running statewide-GO HILLARY
Posted by rodeodance




http://www.lacrossetribune.com /
BREAKING NEWS
Chelsea stumps for 'mom'
Go ahead — ask Chelsea Clinton anything. She'll probably have the answer. The once and (maybe) future first daughter spoke for nearly an hour today at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse on behalf of her mom, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, and mom's campaign for the Democratic nomination. 1:20 pm

* Bill Clinton to be in La Crosse Thursday
3:03 pm

[Divine Discontent]

14. I think Chelsea's got class eom

[LucyParsons]

45. I don't think anyone who works for a hedge fund has class

especially someone in her position, with her intelligence and resources, who could have any career she wanted. Speaks volumes to me, personally.

[StrongBad]

58. What is wrong with a career in finance?

Some people are gifted at that particular discipline and are fascinated by the process of growing money. What if this is her calling and she has no interest in the public life her parents have led. Are we to say she has no class just because of that?

[LucyParsons]

59. "growing money" ? (puke)

the whole "financial industry" is a casino in which greedy people profit off the actual labor of people who are really doing the hard work and producing things. if that makes me a socialist, so be it. (just pre-empting your likely response) ;)

[rodeodance]

13. * Bill Clinton to be in La Crosse WI Thursday

[Political Heretic]

16. That's crazy talk.

It makes perfect sense for her to continue on and campaign hard through Pennsylvania, unless she loses it all on March 4th.

Clinton is not a "loser" - and these Obama wins are no reason to get complacent. She's still favored to win Texas and Ohio. If she does that, then it really comes down to Penn and superdelages.

Frankly, I still consider Obama to be the underdog. I think Clinton is still in the position where she is more likely to end up the nominee.

[TheDonkey]

17. she'll wait to the bitter end.

[Blue_In_AK]

18. Not until after Texas/Ohio/Pennsylvania

[harun]

51. You think she will wait until March 4th? Maybe

I think if BO wins TX then, she will concede it. If she wins, like TX big, she will probably work the super delegates to take the nom. Probably not good for the party but with all the major donors she had behind her, she probably feels a responsibility to fight up until the last battle for them.

[Blue_In_AK]

55. Yeah, maybe if she loses Texas

but she does have some very committed supporters, and I think she should stay in until it's clear that she's no longer viable. I really don't have a favorite here ... I don't particularly care for either one, but I'll vote for our nominee, of course.

[theboss]

19. There is no way she is giving up

It would be against every part of her nature.

[TexasObserver]

20. If she concedes, I'll be surprised, but not shocked. They have to know it's over.

Hillary supporters may not be ready to know it and accept it, but the key people in the campaign have to know it's hopeless, and the landslide losses for her will only continue. If she really wants to see the party glide to majority status across the board, she'll stop and get behind Obama.

[Divine Discontent]

24. agreed.

and who knows, maybe she talked to Obama and said she'd concede now if he made her VP choice, which would be tempting for him (now, but not down the road imho) to get her out of the race and solidify his nomination.

sorry, Clinton backers, I'm feeling it's OVER

[TexasObserver]

35. She just got through using her "he wins caucuses, not primaries" meme. That's gone.

I don't know how she faces the cameras, but she's going to do it soon.

[jackson_dem]

22. She knows history. She is still alive and should fight onto March 4 at least

[Divine Discontent]

31. I agree, she has a shot at least, until then

if she doesn't win those BIG (20 points) then she's done, so obv. she probably won't leave without a chance, but I would think if Obama runs off 10 states in a row - he will surge some in OH & TX, and that just makes it all the more unlikely she will garner the delegate count she needs to have much say about which is the nominee... I'm no expert on that part (how the dealing would go down in the convention) but I would think if Obama has a good lead, how could he cheated out of something he really deserved, the party would be ripped apart.

[jackson_dem]

36. He could but there may also be buyer's remorse

And the msm may finally stop supporting him in order to keep the horse race alive for ratings.

[Divine Discontent]

47. always a possibility the dirty msm, we know how they operate all too well! eom

[Kahuna]

23. She'll go out like Norma Desmond: "My close-up please.." nt

[Divine Discontent]

25. I shouldn't encourage you. LOL n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

33. Why? She's attractive...........

I guess when you don't have the wisdom to appreciate a woman's intelligence and class you mock her looks.

Juvenile.

[Divine Discontent]

37. yes she's pretty for a woman of her age

his/her joke about her I think maybe comes from the fact that she might go kooky if she's not the nominee, after being talked up as the eventual president for 3 years...

If I saw her, I'd have a hard time not telling her to, "just stand there and look pretty, Hillary!" in response to her saying it to John 5 years ago in the Senate.

[Darth_Kitten]

28. How is this remotely funny?

:shrug:

[terrya]

34. Knock it off. Please.

Thanks.

[NoBorders]

26. Nope. She's going 'all in' in TX and OH.

She's NOT going to concede before then, especially if she wins in WI.

[CreekDog]

32. But she seems to be giving up on Wisconsin

And you think she might win?

[NoBorders]

40. One poll has her up 10 points, another down 10 points

But she is sending Bill and Chelsea there. I'm not sure she's so much giving up on it, so much as she's prioritizing TX.

[CreekDog]

48. Wait, Texas is when and she's not in Wisconsin now?

She's conceding it, c'mon. Sending just Bill and Chelsea is so that it's not a wipeout.

[LucyParsons]

29. No way will she concede

She will be willing to strongarm superdelegates in contravention of the votes of the party membership, if need be. IMHO

[IDemo]

30. She still has enough dough to buy a lot of Lunches With Chelsea

Super Delegates are the end game now.

[stevietheman]

38. For the good of the country, she should. n/t

n/t

[mkultra]

39. she would concede

but not just because of a lose in the patomac. She has class and if tx or OH dont go right, she will do the classy thing.

[creeksneakers2]

41. If it becomes apparent that Hillary is no longer viable

and she's hurting the party's chances in November she'll step aside.

Obama does have a hurdle coming up. He's now front runner and the negative attacks are starting to focus on him. We'll see how he holds up.

[milkyway]

43. March 6.

[JVS]

44. Anyone have an online radio link that covers her speech?

All I can find is some fox news shit talking smack on Carter.

[Unsane]

49. interesting

[tandem5]

50. new surveyusa she's up by 17 in ohio - why leave now? nt

[mirrera]

52. I would admire her greatly if she did. I really feel for her...

She is going through what Edwards did. Both of them just could not stop this train. This is way bigger than anyone could know. It is a once in a lifetime experience, someone with the charisma of Obama running. The President needs to be able to persuade. It has been 8 years of STFU. It is worse for her because she is at a perfect age. I am reading her book right now. She would have a lot of fun working hard with a good president, she has not had that experience. her husband's presidency was an entrenchment. A defensive camp.

[Divine Discontent]

57. good points

her 8 years with bill were nonstop attacks from the GOP, a lot of self-blame there of course, but they didn't deserve the level it was taken, nor did they deserve the attacks against the health care issue or gay rights in the military that they got...

I like what you said. I think whoever gets our nom will pick wisely for VP, I really do.

[sniffa]

53. I think she will on March 5th.

Right now she could win both, but I don't think she could Texas based on my gut, and the voting process there (and then topped off with MO). I guess she could win Ohio, but I think that's going to become a long shot as the date approaches.

However, if internals show bad results following WI/RI, she may concede then to preserve her stature as a future nominee. Personally, I kinda hope she drags it out, as I think it will finish off the "Clinton Era" once and for all. I think she's going to end up losing, and if she drags it out, it will erode the good will the Party has for her and her husband (though if he keeps quiet, he could come out much, much higher than her).

[Divine Discontent]

56. good pts eom

[Little Star]

54. She'll quit when Tom Delay becomes a Democrat!