Obama supporters, do you really want to see your man go up against the likes of John McCain???

[mtnsnake]

Guys, I only ask you this as one concerned Democrat toward another. Can you not even begin to imagine what will go down during that first eventful Presidential Debate? Here, let me give you a preview:

Debate Moderator: Senator McCain, how will you protect the United States from terrorists?

McCain: Considering all my decades of foreign policy experience, you've got some goddamn nerve asking me that, son. :mad:

Debate Moderator: My apologies Senator McCain.

McCain OK, but don't let it happen again or I'll slap you with one of my cheek pouches, ha ha ha-iha-iha.

Debate Moderator: Senator Obama, same question. How will you protect the United States from terrorists?

Obama: homina, homina, homina, uhhhm, wtf, duh, dunno, hmmm.........PRESENT? :shrug:

[izzybeans]

1. Yeah bombing brown people is a real rational foreign policy.

McCain is like Bush on foreign policy. A dumbass who just happened to get shot down during a war.

[woolldog]

2. Obama

will eviscerate McCain in debates. Seriously, it won't be pretty. McCain doesn't think well on his feet, has a weird sing-song annoying voice, and will look ancient next to the youthful Obama.

Hillary supporters don't give their candidate enough credit. She's an excellent debater (president of her college debating team) and, for Obama, having gone through 18-20 debates with her and holding his own will have prepared him well for debating McCain.

[John Q. Citizen]

Yes, i want to see Obama go up against granpa McCain!

[skipos]

3. Sorry your candidate is getting her ass handed to her.

:pals:

And to answer your question: yes. I want triangulating Hil nowhere near the Dem ticket. Obama vs. McCain sounds fine by me.

[ProSense]

4. Let me paraphrase Sen. Kerry: John has held contradictory positions on a range of issues.

:rofl:

[thunder rising]

5. Ha ha FU! Obama has stated and I back him up that he will not hesitate to use force when necessary

But it shall be the last resort.

These aren't preemptive attacks by terrorists they are revenge killings. We have killed them by covert means for decades.

If we quit killing everybody "over their" they'll quit trying to kill us here. But, in our history the CIA has bloodied the name of the USA and now we are hated beyond words.

[tridim]

6. Obama could handle a 50 foot tall atomic clone of Ronald Regan.

McCain will be cake.

[mtnsnake]

20. Yikes, a 50 foot Reagan?!? Didn't they have one of those in the Rose Bowl Parade?

[Danger Mouse]

7. McCain is an idiot and a clown.

He's no Reagan. Or Bush. He'll wilt in the debates.

[Windy]

8. He did VERY well in the last debate with your candidate. I'm sure he'll be just fine! nt

[mtnsnake]

23. Yes, but this is John "My friends, I'll guarantee you I'm gonna catch bin Laden" Mccain we're talkin

Are you sure you want to go through with this? :shrug:

[MagickMuffin]

48. His mentor hasn't bothered to catch bin Laden, that's ALL Obama has to hit him over the head with

How would Clinton handle these questions?.?.?

Both you and McCain both voted for IWR.

Clinton: Well, er, um, er, um, everyone knew Saddam had WMD.

Both you and McCain both voted for Kyl/LIEbermann.

Clinton: Well, a, a, er, um, who knows Iran could have WMD.



Give me a break. I think they both would do well against McLameBrain.

[harun]

9. Obama is going to eat that grumpy old poop for dinner (n/t)

[Occam Bandage]

10. Homina homina yes.

[bigbrother05]

11. And Clinton will do better how?

By saying she'll have her he-man husband handle it?

By using her 35 years of experience not in the military?

McCain has one point where he can crow, he was shot down when he was a kid.

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. Wow I'm guessing you're not a Hollywood Writer who's been out on strike...

And if you are, when was your show cancelled?

[PretzelWarrior]

41. Bahhahhaha. BHAM!!!!

nailed it.

[JBoy]

93. That was good.!

[anigbrowl]

13. Oh yes I do.

Almost as much as I'd like to have a concern troll filter on DU.

Obama: Senator McCain, do you really think singing 'bomb bomb bomb Iran' while drinking at a party is any way for a leader of the free world to behave?

[Zavulon]

14. Very much so, yes.

Obama would hand McCain his ass in debates. I'd tape those debates and enjoy them for years.

[Thrill]

15. McCain is no match for this guy

[goodhue]

pathetic stuff

[x-g.o.p.er]

16. Obama will win 40 states against McCain

The press will bring up his age, he'll rip someone's head off, and it will be over.

It will be our Reagan v. Mondale election

[Danger Mouse]

17. McCain = Dole 2.0

[jpak]

18. McCain's support for the Iraq War clearly shows his lack of foreign policy judgment

Obama will clean McCain's clock on foreign policy.

FYI McCain's an asshole - it will be all too easy...

[ButterflyBlood]

19. I think I might've lost 5 IQ points reading this

If only I could "unread" a post...

[mtnsnake]

25. LOL

If only I could "unread" a post...

Interesting thought. hmmmm

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. Obama will manage very nicely against McCain, thank you.

McCain will look old, lumpy and tired standing next to him. Obama can nicely compliment McCain's *many decades* of service to his country and make him seem even older.

Obama has excellent foreign policy advisers, including Samantha Powers and Richard Clarke. I'm sure they'll prepare him more than adequately for any such questions.

I would note that the great and glorious Bill Clinton had much less foreign policy/national security experience than Obama when he ran in 1992. In fact, as the governor of a small Southern state with no federal experience of any kind, he had exactly none at all.

McCain has *no* detailed domestic policy positions except for more Bushian tax cuts. Any domestic policy questions will have McCain sputtering and mumbling.

Obama will clean his lumpy old clock.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. GHWB had decades of foreign policy experience

And was a WW2 vet to boot. And he was a sitting President.

Your point? :shrug:

[qwlauren35]

24. I'm not sure I understand your point.

That is a "pro-Republican" question, and McCain will field it more aggressively than Obama or Clinton, hands down.

Obama is bluntly saying that we are doing a crappy job of addressing the homeland security issues that have already been identified, and that's a big piece of his agenda. I saw that and applauded. It's something that the Republicans can't touch because it's their president who is spending more money on offense than defense.

Someone said to me the other day that football is no longer about a good offense. Times have changed.

Now. Please explain... if Obama wins the nomination, what are YOU going to do with your question in a positive way? I mean, it's an IMPORTANT question... but isn't it more constructive to tell someone that his belt is unbuckled than to assume that he won't get it fixed before he gets to the podium and bemoan the consequences before they happen???

If you really believe that Obama is weak on the question of terrorism AND he wins the nomination, push the issue to his campaign staff. If enough of us who want to win the election, these holes will get plugged.

If people who see him winning decide to take their marbles and go home, then it's the same as wanting McCain.

We have to play the hand we have. Quit trying to fold it before the money's on the table.

[mtnsnake]

29. We gotta start thinking about this stuff, in the rare event that Barack pulls this Primary race out

and goes on to face McCain.

It's never to early to start getting prepared for those "pro-Republican" questions, as you say, that they're gonna throw at him in the Presidential Debates.

Be Prepared!!

[Straight Shooter]

26. McCain will have the power of the media on his side.

McCain will also have the power of dustups with Iran caused by the bush administration.

If the media had treated Hillary Clinton with respect and admiration all these past years, she would be way ahead now. But the media has treated her with sheer contempt, ridiculed her, villified her, and the people bought it. Republicans ate it up like candy, and now the Democrats show that they, too, like the sweet taste of hating Hillary.

The media is either for you, or they are not. But one thing for certain, they are for GOP power. Always keep that in mind as you watch them steering people in one direction or the other. DU is a tempest in a teapot. Most people are not politically informed. A lot of people voted for bush because they perceived him as a "good Christian." Thank the media for perpetuating that nonsense.

Watch for the stealth attacks on Barack as his popularity rises. Once he looks inevitable, you will soon see where the GOP wants to steer this country. Be prepared for more of Tom DeLay's ugly mug.

[theboss]

27. I want a young vibrant man against a 71-year-old who looks 91

I think that's a good matchup, thanks.

[blogslut]

28. Yes please

Our shining bright star pitted against a bitter old man. I'll take it. :hi:

[mtnsnake]

38. "Our shining bright star pitted against a bitter old man". That's very good! Unfortunately...

the MSM will have the first debate pegged as, "Bambi vs the Grizzled Old Warrior"

:hi:

(All in fun)

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Uh, yeah, that would be the point

:rofl:

Perhaps if folks like you weren't so scared all the time, we might have won before.

[Quixote1818]

31. Obama: Well, I was against the war from the beginning. If I had been president

we never would have been in this mess, lost all these lives and blown trillions of dollars for nothing. Mr.McCain here wants us to stay in Iraq for 100 years.

:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

:nuke:

Blow out for Obama of epic proportions!

[Exultant Democracy]

32. DU must have some high traffic, cause here you are doing what you do again.

Good to see some things don't change.

[Forkboy]

33. If this example is the worst we have to worry about then I feel good for the first time in months.

[burythehatchet]

34. AFter reading one of your random thoughts, I feel stupider. n/t

[mtnsnake]

63. You're not alone. Someone upthread told me a similar thing. lol

[Bonobo]

35. Obama is the PERFECT matchup against McCain. Are you for real!?

[mtnsnake]

42. Perfect for who, though, Bonobo? Us or THEM?

:shrug:

[jackson_dem]

53. Them. Obama is a lifesaver for the rethugs

He gives them a fighting chance of winning by arguing that he can't be trusted with security. If Obama can't clear that threshold he is done. His "unity" bs won't work against the "bipartisan maverick" McCain either. What is Obama going to run on when his theme is taken off the table?

[burythehatchet]

36. The really good thing about tonight is that crappy threads don't get 50 recs.

[Franks Wild Years]

37. Obama is showing right now....

...just why he is going to blitz Bush lovin', Gook Hatin', Iran Bombin' "Mr. 100 Years" McCain in the election. He exposes the 106 year old as the doddery relic of a bygone era and a failed administration that he so clearly is.

[mtnsnake]

46. "he is going to blitz Bush lovin', Gook Hatin', Iran Bombin' "Mr. 100 Years" McCain"

I like your style :toast:

[sniffa]

39. Very much so

Even a greater land slide than against Huckabee.

[mtnsnake]

50. It would be nice for Barack if the Huckster could pull a miracle and win their nod

although all the Huckster has to do is whip out his bass guitar and start strummin Free Bird by Skynyrd during the middle of a debate and the election will be his. Yikes

[Rowdyboy]

40. Either of our candidates will mop the floor with Senator McCain.....so I've gotta say.

[fishwax]

43. wow, that's kind of sad

:shrug:

[Redstone]

44. Yes. Next question?

Redstone

[mtnsnake]

80. Ask and you shall receive

"Obama supporters, do you really believe that Barack Obama is a better speaker than John McCain???"

:evilgrin:

:hi:

[Redstone]

84. Now that's a good one. Do NOT post it as an OP in GDP, if you value your life.

Redstone

[mtnsnake]

92. I think I'll take your advice on that one, Redstone.

thanks, I don't want to be hiking up any mountains in the near future on two broken legs. I aint as young as I used to be! lol

[IDemo]

45. "Why, I'll tell em to get off my lawn. Heh, yeah, GET OFF MY LAWN!"

"Where's my damn pills?! Who?"

[wileedog]

47. I don't understand..

...the fear of John McCain. Half his own party can't stand him, he has stabbed them in the back repeatedly. He is a terrible debater, an awful orater, and he can't even put away a complete nutjob like Huckaby even AFTER being declared the de facto candidate by the MSM.

The Cookie Monster could be put out there as the Democratic nominee, and he would have a 50% shot against McCain, who failed utterly in his last bid and stands where he does now because everyone else the Repubs put up this year was even more utterly repulsive to even Republicans. If I was a Republican I would have put a gun to my head when I saw the respective options put in front of me.

McCain will lose to anyone with a pulse. Certainly to Obama, who can talk circles around him, and probably to Hillary, because, well, she's not a complete whackjob like McCain.

Stop raising the specter of the opposition as some reason to vote for your candidate. That is a patently Bush/Rove tactic which the Repubs clearly are still counting on.

[Sanctified]

49. The only reason someone would want to attack the US is because we are...

stepping on their balls, stop stepping on the balls of foreign countries and they have no reason to attack us. Voting for McCain is voting for a ball stepper while voting for Obama is voting for someone who would respect our worldly neighbors and someone who will gain the respect of our worldly neighbors.

[mtnsnake]

55. Excellent stuff

That's the kind of rhetoric we have to be prepared to use. :thumbsup:

[jackson_dem]

51. mtnsnake you are right. The folks here are underestimating McCain

[mtnsnake]

59. They really are, but that's understandable. I watched some of his debate and speech style

and the old fart has his shit together this time like there is no tomorrow. People here say he's too old, he can't speak, and all that. Well they haven't seen the latest issue of McCain that I've seen. Even the way he humiliated Romney and then rubbed salt into the wound by chuckling at him to his face should be a wake-up call to anyone on our side that this will not be any cake walk with McCain.

Too old? MSM will have him pegged as the grizzled old warrior. Obama will look like Bambi compared to McCain when it comes to foreign experience, so Barack will have to figure out ways to overcome that perception somehow.

Lousy speaker? Not nearly as lousy as what the people here on our forum claim. McCain isn't as smooth as Obama, but when he's not being nasty, he's down to earth as it gets, and his sheep suck it right up.

[jackson_dem]

66. Great post. I have nothing more to add to it mtnsnake!

[DS1]

52. I'm just laughing at how much time you must have spent writing and formatting that piece of crap

:rofl:

[Raine]

54. Uh...Yes I do

that's the point of him being the nominee he can beat MacCain, something that Hillary can't do.

[newmajority]

56. Obama will CRUSH McCain

Sorry for you that Hillary is getting her ass kicked so badly in the last 8 contests, but we need to look to the future. We will have a great nominee, and he will make the Republican fossil look like the tired, angry, somewhat less than sane man that he is.

[jackson_dem]

58. A lot of Obamite ageism in this thread...

Ageism won't help Obama. People won't look at is as young vs. old but experience vs. inexperience. McCain is eager to fight Obama based on his speech tonight in which he seemed to mock Obama. McCain's strength is Obama's weakness. It might be Obama's kryptonite.

[mtnsnake]

61. You said it better than I could, jackson

but I've often said that the biggest mistake anyone can make is to underestimate McCain because of his age. What people don't realize is that many voters will find comfort in his age...plus everything you already pointed out.

[jackson_dem]

64. Yup, like they did in Reagan's age in 1984 as Reagan won 49 states

[jpak]

77. McCain's an ASSHOLE - and 9 or 90 McCain always will be an asshole

"bomb bomb bomb - bomb bomb Iran"

OK?

[Hippo_Tron]

65. Worked very well for Bill Clinton

[Wizard777]

57. Oh Please please please please pretty please with sugar on top. n/t

[mtnsnake]

68. In that case, I'll think about it

That was one of the best pretty pleases I've ever heard! :toast:

[Wizard777]

79. Thank You. Something else you should consider.

The republicans are banking on the race being War Hero vs. Black Man. Little do they know that the race will be War Hero vs. American Hero. Not everyone can identify with war. But all can identify with America.

To a bright future with Obama. :toast:

[mtnsnake]

81. I'll drink to that, Wizard

Little do they know that the race will be War Hero vs. American Hero

Enough with the disrespect for McCain's age. We need more of your kind of thinking.

:toast:

[AtomicKitten]

94. Wow, and I was just looking for a tech wizard ...

Thanks for the nudge upthread, Snake.

:loveya:

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

60. O 563,449 > C 317,679 + M 223,728 (541,407) at 94%

Obama > McCain + Hillary in Virginia votes tonight.

Easy pickens.



--

And on your question, I'd like to see him respond "By replacing them in office"

[Withywindle]

62. HELL YES.

I'm ordering popcorn in bulk right now. It's gonna be GREAT.

:popcorn:


McCain is like that unhinged old grampa at the family reunion who rambles and just might, if the stars align wrong, launch into a shocking racist rant and break dishes.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

67. I think either of our candidates could bury McCain...

no contest.

[liberalhistorian]

69. McCain is an enthusiastic and unabashed warmonger,

who has said the troops could be in Iraq for over a hundred years and he doesn't care. He would love nothing better than to go into Iran. People aren't gonna be too thrilled about that, frankly.

And Obama has a greater chance of beating him than Hillary does. If Hillary is the nominee, there's a large base that will come out just to vote against her. And frankly, she isn't much better when it comes to the warmongering. That's been her problem lately, she's underestimated the strength and breadth of those against the war and against the current Iraq policy, and the depth of their anger.

[MrSlayer]

70. I'm not an Obama supporter but yeah, because he'll beat McCain.

He'll make him look like the tired and foolish old man he is.

[ORDem]

71. mtnsnake, ya got a point there...

gosh, I never really thought about it! Golly, I guess you're right, that would be awful. I'm gonna change my vote when it comes my turn, that's fer sure, by golly! You are quite the deep thinker, thanks a million for saving me from the humiliation of seeing Barack go up against that ol' bag of whichever-way-the-wind-blows.

:silly:

[mtnsnake]

74. All in fun

and welcome to DU ORDem.

[Catherine Vincent]

72. The Obama supporters better stay pumped up for the General,

if Obama is the nominee. Others will need persuading.

[Crunchy Frog]

73. I'm very much looking forward to it.

If he can hand Hillary her ass, he can certainly do the same to McCain. :)

[workinclasszero]

75. Senator McCain, how will you protect the United States from terrorists?

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb Iran.

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb the whole middle-east for the next one hundred years...

I have zero worries about Obama going up against a 71 year old rethug with a nasty temper.

As soon as McCain lays out his neocon fantasies about conquering the arab world and turning it into nirvana, Americans will be running for the exits!

Simply put, McCain = 4 more years of Bush.

The vast majority of Americans will never vote for that!

[mtnsnake]

76. "McCain = 4 more years of Bush"

That one is a must. :thumbsup:

[AtomicKitten]

78. Oh, yes, I do.

In fact, MSNBC had a screen shot right after Obama's monster rally (17-18K, but I'm bragging) side by side with the next speech on deck with a shot of McCain's anemic "rally" but looked like a press conference in a small room.

I wish a wizard here would find, work their magic, and post it so I can put it in my sig line. It was that much of a contrast.

Obama argued his case against McCain in his speech tonight, and he brought it. And then some. Oh, yes, I can't wait for him to tell Grandpa Crazy he has lost his mind on Iraq. Yes indeed, I'm looking forward to that.

Yes, he can.

[mtnsnake]

83. You wish for a wizard?

Check out post #79, written by a wizard who knows.

[jeffrey_X]

82. After watch Barack speak and then switching to McCain's speech tonight....

FUCK YES!

McCain's speech might as well have been in a morgue. He's horrible.

[mtnsnake]

86. Bush was a horrible speaker, too. n/t

[ddeclue]

85. Oh give it a rest... Obama can handle McCain..

Remember Mission Accomplishment McCain walking around the Baghdad market buying rugs... he isn't the world's greatest orator or debater.

[mtnsnake]

89. I hope you don't think that Obama will beat McCain just because he's a great orator

and McCain isn't. Yikes

[Life Long Dem]

87. Was Obama trying to say something? McCain put him into terror!!

Do we ggggh ggh ggget a back-up candidate after those debates? :sarcasm:

[mmonk]

88. Absolutely. I've been waiting a long time for someone to talk

rationally against the madness in front of the nation. Don't ever fear the truth when speaking it.

[judaspriestess]

90. Any Dem would wipe the floor with Dr. Evil

[Binka]

108. Oh Please Honey Dr. Evil Is Too Good For McLame

Fuckwittage, Ass Carrot, Senile Shitdustbag, Doddering Old Dork, Warmongering Whore, Insane Inane Idiot, Fucktard, Impotent Incompetent. Those are his proper monikers. Dr. Evil is actually cool compared to this Geritol Nazi.

[Name removed]

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[goodgd_yall]

95. In a debate, Obama will defeat McCain

I'm not an Obama supporter, but I think Obama could handle McCain pretty well. I am a bit worried about the "spin machine" of the media and the possibility of a dirty tricks operation. But, in a debate, I think Obama could win quite handily.

That goes for Hillary, too. She'd beat McClain into the ground.

[mtnsnake]

97. It'll be interesting, that's for sure. The matchups will be like nothing else we've seen before

What a ride we'll all be on this year.

[thevoiceofreason]

96. C'mon, snake man

We want you with us this fall. I'd of been with you.

[mtnsnake]

99. Oh for sure I'm gonna be with you this fall

Don't you even worry about that, and don't worry, I've got plenty of confidence in our people, but I'm not going to make the fatal mistake of underestimating McCain at all. Each of our candidates is going to have their fair share of strengths and weaknesses against this guy.

[Political Heretic]

98. Oh puh-leeze.

:eyes:

[lojasmo]

100. Absolutely. Hell yes. EOM

[TexasObserver]

101. Yes, because Obama is TEN times the candidate Hillary is.

She's not a good candidate, your loyalty notwithstanding.

[stillcool]

102. Yes.

I think he is far more intelligent than you care to give him credit for.

Behind Obama and Clinton
Stephen Zunes | February 4, 2008
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940
Foreign Policy In Focus

[mtnsnake]

104. I think Obama is highly intelligent

to the point of being brilliant, as is Hillary.

Credit where credit is due. Always

[Zodiak]

103. this post is not one of your shining moments

but I understand...

[mtnsnake]

106. Don't complain. A bunch of Obama supporters came here in defense of their man

and not a single one of them got all bent out of shape. There were quite a few good suggestions, too, which is good because we're gonna have to be prepared for this guy. It won't be as easy as what so many people think. We can beat him, but it's going to be a heck of a battle. In case anyone forgets, we're still at war, and that plays right into the hands of a hawk like McCain.

It's not always about the moment, my friend :)

[Egnever]

105. Oh hell yes

Obama will make this guy look like he needs to get out his wheelchair and his pea soup. This isnt even going to be close.

[mtnsnake]

107. I don't think it will be quite that easy

but I hope you're right, Egnever.