Can someone tell me why Obama didn't show up to vote against the FISA Bill?

[Yossariant]

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 2nd Session

Measure Number: S. 2248 (FISA Amendments Act of 2007 )

Number: S. 2248 (FISA Amendments Act of 2007 )
Measure Title: An original bill to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, to modernize and streamline the provisions of that Act, and for other purposes

Not Voting - 3
Clinton (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Obama (D-IL)
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00020

"I'm hoping that Olberman has something to say about this tomorrow."

"It doesn't count ... didn't you get the memo!"

"It wasn't important enough?"

"Otherwise, instead of using your Rovian tactics... Either answer MY question or go start your own thread."

"Why Hillary didn't show up to vote against the FISA Bill? The check cleared."

"What poor politics and yet some people she can 'lead' this country?
Hell, she can't even make common sense decisions on something as simple as this...

No thanks, if this is "experience" I'll pass and go with the rooky."

"It's more important to her to be President than to do the right thing."

"Because she's gotten more money from Telecoms in this election and got something around 100k in 06?"

"She has no spine or core principles"

"Fresh episodes of Deal Or No Deal?"

"She'd rather talk about leadership than demonstrate it"

"No, she was in DC. That has been confirmed.
Hollow gesture or not, it was important. How is she supposed to fight the republicans if she can't show up for a vote this important. You do realize what happend today, right? IMMUNITY! Why do they need immunity if they did nothing illegal?"

"I didn't know standing up for the Constitution was a 'hollow gesture'"

"I don't understand why people just can't look at Hillary's voting record and see
that she votes like a neocon and is AWOL when it comes to these incredulous Bush
power plays and 'Unitary Executive' abuses."

"Not like this one. And don't change the subject. Answer the question
at hand. If you want to address that, then start your own thread."

"Because she's got her corporate buddies' backs, same as always."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[NJSecularist]

1. Obama did vote

[Yossariant]

4. Nope. He didn't. "He has no spine or core principles".

:rofl:

[IndieLeft]

23. You know he did vote. You are being... deceptive here.

He was there for the first vote. Stop cherry picking info... Bush.

[Yossariant]

36. The second vote was "the vote on the FISA bill."

[democrattotheend]

39. Guess Clinton doesn't either

Noticed her name on the list. At least Obama was there for the first vote.

[Yossariant]

2. More:

"Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton missed the final FISA vote today -- they were the only Senators, along with Sen. Graham, to miss it. It occurred between 5:30 p.m. and 6 p.m. The vote was 68 to 29, so it wouldn't have mattered had they been there. Both were present to vote with Sen. Dodd against cloture a few weeks ago and Obama was present this morning to vote on the Amendment.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/12/224018/154

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[gateley]

7. So there were TWO votes today?

I THOUGHT Obama had voted, now I get it. He was there for the first vote, but not the second, right?

[Yossariant]

13. "Fresh episodes of Deal Or No Deal?"

He voted on am amendment, but not the bill.

He was not "present."

:rofl:

[IndieLeft]

25. Exactly, and the OP is being dishonest with his post.

[angie_love]

9. Do you feel stupid now? Obama did vote today, it was on the news

[Yossariant]

15. "Why Hillary didn't show up to vote against the FISA Bill? The check cleared."

:rofl:

[IndieLeft]

28. Thanks for letting me know the type of person you are.

I know how to deal with people like you.

[IndieLeft]

3. Obama did show up.

[Yossariant]

17. "I'm hoping that Olberman has something to say about this tomorrow."

:rofl:

[Yossariant]

19. ...

[stillrockin]

5. Obama did vote.

[Yossariant]

24. "I didn't know standing up for the Constitution was a 'hollow gesture'"

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[southern_dem]

6. Considering Clinton missed both votes

do you really want to play this game?

[rodeodance]

16. would not have mattered-The votes were not lined up--it was going down anyway (amendment)

[gateley]

41. We want our candidates to do the RIGHT THING, regardless of the outcome.

I was furious with Biden when he didn't show up to help Dodd filibuster in December.

[jkshaw]

8. I thought Obama did vote. He was right there.

His name appeared to be on the list of Democrats voting. Where did you get your information?

[southern_dem]

10. This is on final passage

He did vote on the amendment earlier in the day. Clinton skipped both votes.

[mcctatas]

11. out of his/her ass??

or...ya know how FOX news puts a D next to pedophile republicans and john McCain, maybe this is the clinton supporter equivilent of that:)

[rodeodance]

12. He left before the final passage--he a rally in Madison, WI.

[Yossariant]

20. Answer the question at hand. If you want to address that, then start your own thread."

:rofl:

[IndieLeft]

14. Nice Cherry Picking of the Info.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=exNIlIsI6Rg&feature=user

[Kokonoe]

18. here is someones explanation

There was the vote against the telecom immunity amendment (which Obama voted correctly on, while Clinton did not vote) and the vote for the final bill, which Obama did not vote on.

The fight was over telecom immunity, and he voted correctly. Technically xxxxxxx is correct by saying he missed the final vote, but it omits the important part of what happened today: Obama stood up for Dodd's fight, Clinton did not, and McCain sided with the police state.

[IndieLeft]

21. I really can't believe OP would stoop so low on this one.

It is disgusting.

[Yossariant]

30. Some people don't have sense enough to know when they ought to be embarrassed.

That means you.

:grr:

[Yossariant]

35. Here's another: "Money money money money..."

:rofl:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

22. LOLLLLLL ... now THAT'S funny

...after all the screeching that went on here. :rofl:


Her statement, released today:

February 12, 2008

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the FISA Amendments Act of 2007


"I believe we need to modernize our surveillance laws and give our nation’s intelligence professionals the tools they need to fight terrorism and to make our country more secure. At the same time, smart, balanced reform must also protect the rights and civil liberties of Americans. In my opinion, the FISA Amendments Act of 2007 falls short of these goals, and for that reason, I oppose the bill.


As I have maintained for months, I oppose the provision contained in the bill that grants blanket retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that allegedly cooperated in the administration's warrantless wiretapping program. I believe granting retroactive immunity under these circumstances is wrong and undermines accountability. To that end, I have supported and cosponsored Senator Dodd’s strong efforts to strip this provision from the FISA bill, and was discouraged to see the amendment fail by such a significant margin.


Over the past seven years, the Bush Administration has blatantly and systematically disregarded Americans' civil liberties. It cannot be trusted to protect Americans’ privacy rights. That is why I strongly believe we need to pass balanced legislation that protects our civil liberties and the rule of law while giving our law enforcement and intelligence agencies the tools they need to protect our country."

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=292758&&

[IndieLeft]

27. The FACT is, she didn't not show up to vote, and Obama did.

Granted he missed the second vote, but he was in WI. She didn't even bother to show up for the first one.

And the info the OP gives here, does not show that.

[Yossariant]

32. That "second vote" was called "the vote on the FISA bill."

:rofl:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

34. Stopppppppp ... you're crackin me up! ;o)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

33. She was on her way to TX ... she is, after all, in a

...'do or die' situation at this point. I know some would have preferred her to give up, on the campaign, and stay in DC to place a vote that would have ZERO effect on the outcome.


She made her statement, she's on the record.



Speaking of Senate voting records:

Statistic: Barack Obama missed 185 of 1098 votes (17%) since Jan 6, 2005 (Extremely Poor relative to peers).
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629


Barack Obama has missed 175 votes (37.9%) during the current Congress.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/




Statistic: Hillary Clinton missed 152 of 2406 votes (6%) since Jan 23, 2001 (Poor relative to peers).
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022


Hillary Clinton has missed 120 votes (25.5%) during the current Congress.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/c001041/

[stillcool]

26. Because he did?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00015
Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---31
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Tester (D-MT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)


NAYs ---67
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Not Voting - 2
Clinton (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)

Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

[Yossariant]

31. How's your comprehesion? Can you figure out that an amendment is not the FISA bill?

Can you read your own link?
:rofl:

[chascarrillo]

37. Trull

[alteredstate]

38. You are here for one reason --- to wreak chaos on this board.

And I'm calling you on it.

[blogslut]

40. What? That's all you got?

Ms. Clinton did not show up to vote on any part of the FISA bill yesterday. Justify yourself out of that one.

[robbedvoter]

42. I didn't find your thread. Media lied for him - and they were pontificating,