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Torgo Johnson Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:36 AM
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Debunked: Puerto Rico primary/caucus is NOT Winner-Take-All
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 02:54 AM by Blackwell Sucks
Right-wing columnists Michael Barone and David Brooks recently claimed that because of interference party bosses, Puerto Rico (which holds the final primary contest on June 7) would give all of it's 56 pledged delegates to the winner of that contest. A couple of DUers have used this to argue that if Senator Hillary Clinton won there, those 56 delegates could put her over the top. It turns out that Barone and Brooks are full of it and Puerto Rico will allocate its delegates proportionally, just like all the other primary caucuses.

"Both Brooks and Barone are wrong. Puerto Ricans will vote according to much the same proportional representation rules that govern Democratic party primaries and caucuses in the 50 states. The notion of Puerto Rico being a "winner-take-all" jurisdiction stems from previous presidential primary contests, which were pretty much over by the time the Puerto Ricans got to vote. John Kerry swept Puerto Rico in 2004 just as Al Gore triumphed in 2000 because they were the only candidates left in the race, and the party bosses could manipulate the caucus process.

This time will be very different, according to several Puerto Rican Democratic leaders I contacted earlier today by phone. At present, Puerto Rico is scheduled to hold a caucus--not a primary--on June 7. If the race is still competitive, participation is likely to be very high, and there is no way that one candidate will sweep all the delegates.

"Both the candidates have supporters on the island," said Eliseo Roques, vice-chair of the Democratic National Committee's Hispanic Caucus, and a prominent Puerto Rican politician who is neutral in the race. "You will see a closely contested race."

Both Brooks and Barone backed off the "winner takes all" talk when I caught up with them today. Barone said he had based his analysis on past elections, when Puerto Ricans traditionally plumped for one candidate. Brooks said he got his information from Barone."


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/will_puerto_rico_decide_everyt.html

Here is the actual delegate allocation for Puerto Rico.

The Puerto Rico Senatorial District Caucuses convene. The caucuses choose Puerto Rico's 55 Pledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention. A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates at either the senatorial district or islandwide level.

36 district delegates are proportionally allocated by senatorial district (Puerto Rico has no congressional districts).

* District 1 San Juan: 4
* District 2 Bayamón: 5
* District 3 Arecibo: 4
* District 4 Mayagüez: 4
* District 5 Ponce: 4
* District 6 Guayama: 4
* District 7 Humacao: 4
* District 8 Carolina: 4

In addition, 12 at-large and 7 Pledged PLEOs are proportionally allocated by the islandwide vote.

* 12 at-large National Convention delegates
* 7 Pledged PLEOs


http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/PR-D.phtml#0607

In order for Clinton to take all of those delegates, Obama would not only have to fail to reach 15% islandwide, but also fail to reach 15% in each of the 8 Senatorial districts. In short, it ain't gonna happen.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:43 AM
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1. It is my understanding that the DEMs have no winner take all...
contests. Repubs just don't want to come to terms with the fact that they most likely won't be running against Hillary.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:44 AM
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2. Great! Here's to Obama
getting down there and winning some delegates in Puerto Rico when the time comes!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:50 AM
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3. What morons believe those two clowns, anyway? I mean, really...
they're never right.

The reliance on rightwing sources here of late is troubling. Der Google is right here on the interwebs, it's not that hard to do a little independent verification before frantically posting crap-rumor designed to rile people and get them all pissed off.

It's nice that you took the time to correct this misapprehension, though--credit to you for so doing!
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Torgo Johnson Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:24 AM
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4. Kick
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:11 AM
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