Okay who thought this was a good idea? (not bashing just asking)

[underpants]

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., accepts flowes from Marcos Mancera, 5, a campaign rally at Don Haskin Arena in El Paso, Texas, Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2008.
(AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

[onenote]

1. you want to be more specific about why this is bad?

[underpants]

6. Seriously, you don't think that is pandering?

Seriously

It is sweet yes but cripes that is straight pandering IMHO

I am not saying that it has huge ramifications but we need to be a bit objective about things

[beezlebum]

13. agreed

o/t- love/bookmarked your sig/link. i'm going to send that to my grandmother next time she forwards me the ridiculous fake andy rooney commentary that she sends me probably once a month (the one that ends with something like, "i don't hate the rich, and i don't pity the poor").

[underpants]

17. Welcome to DU

:hi: if'n I haven't before

Thanks

[beezlebum]

43. thanks! n/t

[Tellurian]

24. You could take Jesus Christ and twist his wounds into something crude and ugly!...

Hip hip hooray for today's award of scrapping the bottom of the barrel!

[underpants]

29. Yeah I saw "The Passion of the Christ"

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/underpants/16

[Tellurian]

42. Yeah, the "darkside " is always more vocal..

[onenote]

31. nope.

No moreso than any political event is "pandering"

[rodeodance]

53. First OP says not bash, then says it is PANDering. Shame you YOU>-Nothing but flamebait!

Wed Feb-13-08 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. Seriously, you don't think that is pandering?

Seriously

It is sweet yes but cripes that is straight pandering IMHO

I am not saying that it has huge ramifications but we need to be a bit objective about things
Truth Justice and the American way -that's all we ask. Dear 33% I refuse to subscribe to the culture of victimization

[underpants]

63. Right-I posted it open to opinion THEN I gave MY OPINION in the thread

I think that is fair.

If I just wanted to bash her (and saying that it is pandering is not bashing) I would have done so in the OP but I didn't.

I respect your opinion (and everyone else's) and that is why I asked for it.

[zanne]

7. You don't think it's stereotyping? nt

[NashVegas]

2. I Don't See the Problem

Just because no one in Boston thought to have a kid dressed as a leprechaun give her flowers ....

[JVS]

8. Welcome to Milwaukee, Mr. Obama. I would like to invite you to a delicious beer.

[terrya]

3. To be blunt....no, it wasn't.

I wish she hadn't done that. It's not very subtle pandering.

Just my opinion.

[boricua79]

4. that's cute...but...so stereotypical

what's next, she'll sing the Cucaracha for their votes?

[goldcanyonaz]

14. Or tell Pookie and Ray Ray to get out and vote.

[Cooley Hurd]

5. She just lost Lou Dobbs' vote...

:D

[goldcanyonaz]

9. Another, let's bash Clinton thread. A pattern here.

[underpants]

12. Yeah except for the part where I went out of the way to say that it was not meant to bash

other than that you have a point <--- :sarcasm:

[Cooley Hurd]

18. Some people only see what they want to see...

;)

[Independent-Voter]

20. Stop yer bitchin' - It was a dumbass attempt to pander.

[QC]

Never been to Texas, have you? n/t

[OzarkDem]

10. Its a nice photo

Women candidates and kids are great together.

[Adelante]

11. I imagine the audience appreciated it nt

[Independent-Voter]

15. Holy shit - why didn't she just have a pinata up there as well.

What a dumbass. Can she just go away so people can concentrate on a real candidate for the fall?

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. It's a cute picture.

nuff sed.

[mmonk]

19. I don't see how it's pandering.

If that was the family of the child wishes, it should stand without presumptions.

[RedEarth]

21. I don't see anything wrong with... El Paso has a huge Mexican population

[Saturday]

22. It's an absolutely adorable picture.

Find something else to bash Hillary about.

[Bread and Circus]

23. are you talking about her stage prop?

the "latinos don't vote for blacks" stage prop?

It's cute and the kid is adorable but it's a wee bit over the top theatrics in my opinion.

[underpants]

28. Thank you

[QC]

25. You've never been to Texas, have you? n/t

[underpants]

27. No n/t

[onenote]

33. well, that explains a lot

[underpants]

38. Is there some great insight that the land there provides?

Are we all supposed to make a sojourn there?

I must have missed that part of the instructions

[TheCowsCameHome]

26. It'll get the male perverts on the republican side aroused

especially the Rush Limbaugh types.

[Barb in Atl]

30. I think he's a cutie pie...

My guess is, some mom/dad/parental unit dressed their kid up and took him to the rally with roses because they really like Clinton. Now, they have a picture of their son with Hillary Clinton.

It can only be considered pandering if Senator Clinton bought the outfit, scanned the crowd til she saw a kid that would fit it and said, "Hey, grab him! Quick, get him into this and hand him the roses!"

(By the by, were I the type that could deal with crowds and could guarantee an opportunity, I would take my 8 yo son to an Obama rally to get a picture of the two of them together.)

[underpants]

36. Yes but they know that this isn't only for the crowd in attendance

everything is global nowadays that is why I think this was not a good idea.

[Barb in Atl]

75. I'm sorry...

I don't quite understand. Other than folks right here in the good ol' US of A, who's going to see this as pandering? Moreover, who will see it as more than a campaign rally where the obligatory cute kid is involved?

Everything IS global, and I imagine there are going to be ,more people that go "Awwwwwwwwwwww..." than those that won't.

I think cute wins over every time.

[ieoeja]

69. What you said (which saves me a lot of typing). n/t

[TwilightGardener]

32. Well, she IS in El Paso. Cute little boy!!

[elias7]

34. lacking context, how can you make a judgement?

[underpants]

35. How? Step 1-look at photo Step2- refer to brain

Who? Me
When? When I see it
Where? Where I am
What? Judgement
Why? that is why we have them pundits

[nutsnberries]

45. [ funniest subject line i've seen in a while ]

thanks.

:rofl:

[elias7]

46. I guess our brains are different

what is the context?

Is this a planned photo-op or a serendipitous moment caught on film.
Did HRC arrange this moment or was it spontaneous.
Is this one of many folks who gave her flowers or the only one?
Is this boy caucasian, black or hispanic, and how do you know?

It seems like you have constructed a story in your own mind from one picture and are forming judgements based on what you think you see.

Again, lacking context, how can you conclude anything (fairly)?

[underpants]

55. Planned or spontaneous?

talk about lack of context--NOTHING is unplanned and spontaneous at least it shouldn't be. They SHOULD have 98% planned out but then if they had done that (or at least had a "if anyone does last past Iowa and New Hampshire" PlanB) they wouldn't be in the situation they are in.

[rodeodance]

54. brain full of -FLAMEBAIT!

[Politicub]

37. Why is this bad exactly? I think it's a sweet moment

She's in El Paso. You may live in a bubble, but there are many hispanics who live in El Paso.

Perhaps if it had been someone in an Oprah mask you would have found the image more to your liking?

[underpants]

39. No they let me out of the bubble for today

(fingers crossed for tomorrow)

An Oprah mask would be pandering too.

[GCP]

40. Let's lose the cynicism

It's a nice photo, period.

[Renew Deal]

41. That kid doesn't look comfortable.

Allowing your kid to be used for political reasons is bad parenting.

[Ronnie]

67. I've seen kids dressed like that on both sides of the border.

Look at the boots. Get a grip!

[Phillycat]

44. I honestly don't see this as pandering.

She was in Texas, with an enormous Latino population, and the kid was dressed in culturally traditional clothing. His parents probably wanted a picture with the Senator.

All I know is, in Texas, you actually do see people dressed like this, as well as cowboys dressed as actual cowboys. It's like, normal down there. It looks weird to those of us on the East Coast, but I really think this is par for the course for Texas. And that's where she was. She can't control every camera around her and what they choose to capture and disseminate.

[onenote]

47. Its not pandering. Its standard every day politics.

Hey, was it "pandering" when Obama put on a cowboy hat? You could argue it was, or you could just say it was doing what a politician does:




PS - I'm an Obama supporter -- and neither the picture above or the picture in the OP bothered me at all.

[Tatiana]

50. Damn. He wears that hat well.

Quick, let's get him some cattle. :rofl:

[QC]

59. Reminds me of Dukakis in that tanker helmet. n/t

[Phillycat]

61. Man is hot.

If there was a swimsuit competition for the primaries, and the Leader of the Free World position required only traveling around mouthing empty platitudes about world peace....wait a minute. :think:

[nutsnberries]

73. remember?

:)

[underpants]

52. Well it looks like pandering to me

I know we have to consider...no we don't not everything needs to be so damned nuanced it looks like pandering at least to my eye

:shrug:

I understand the context and all that too

[GoldieAZ49]

48. Pandering from a sore loser n/t

[crispini]

49. Dude. It's not pandering. That's kind of normal down here.

His mother probably dressed him in that.

[rodeodance]

51. Lovely photo Thanks

[rodeodance]

56. "not bashing just asking) says OP-then says "pandering"-- SHAMEFUL!

orum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Okay who thought this was a good idea? (not bashing just asking)
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4570298#4570298
4570298, Okay who thought this was a good idea? (not bashing just asking)
Posted by underpants on Wed Feb-13-08 07:38 AM



Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., accepts flowes from Marcos Mancera, 5, a campaign rally at Don Haskin Arena in El Paso, Texas, Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2008.
(AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

[underpants]

64. see post #63

[JimGinPA]

57. This is exactly the kind of campaign decision that got her where she is now

She's using the little Mexican boy as nothing more than a prop. A Bu$h-like photo-op that is so transparent that it's laughable.

[nutsnberries]

58. only a pawn in their game -came to mind.

i'm admittedly cynical when it comes to Hillary.

i see every little thing as a ploy. When she hollers out to the crowd? ploy.

[demokatgurrl]

60. What should she have done- thrown them back in his face? n/t

[QC]

65. Then they could say, "Why does she hate brown people?" n/t

[Justpat]

62. This is a Mexican American child dressed in the clothing of his Mexican culture.

Would you rather the little guy was dressed in a nice suit with a tie and short pants?


How exactly is it pandering to accept flowers from a child dressed in the clothing of
his native culture?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

66. Just the usual nauseating political sales job.

“Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote,
He's a-runnin' for office on the ballot note.
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple,
Tellin' me he loves all kinds-a people.
(He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins
He's eatin' bullshit!)”

Bob Dylan

[Mother Of Four]

68. Not a HRC supporter here

But this is just silly to call this picture pandering.

The USA is supposed to be a multi culture melting pot, what the heck is wrong with wearing traditional clothing?

Personally I think its sweet that she let that little boy up onstage to give her roses.

Stop nitpicking.

[Metric System]

70. Good grief, even children are acceptable targets for ObamaNation! n/t

[underpants]

71. Not "Obamanation"

play the victim card elsewhere

[Neecy]

72. did you see it live?

I was watching this on MSNBC last night. The kid stood there quite a while for photos, then some guy yanked his arm and pretty much dragged him off the stage. I guess the kid had served his purpose and once he'd done the photo-op it was time to hustle him away. He never once seemed to enjoy the experience or have any awareness of who she is.

And yeah, I've been to Texas.

[underpants]

74. No I didn't

thanks for that