Even if Obama or Hillary win ALL of the remaining states

[panader0]

neither will have enough delegates for the nomination without the super-D's. This is based on a 55%-45% margin for either, OR a 60%-40% margin. This info was on CNN this morning. That's EVERY state. Either the percentages of victory will have to be a lot higher, or it all comes down to the super-D's.

[ShortnFiery]

1. BUT if HRC or Obama have "a commanding lead" in People (vice Super) Delegates, the Nomination SHOULD

be theirs ... well, if WE, THE PEOPLE believe in both "the concept" and "application" of True Democracy in Action. :shrug:

If Super-delegates OVERTURN a People-delegate lead (no matter the margin),
ALL HELL will break loose within our Democratic Party. :nuke:

[Aleric]

8. I sure hope so but...

I doubt it. The Clintons have been supressing any real dissension in the DP for years. On the other hand, if there *is* a *real* revolt in the party, then I might actually return. I would love to see a democratic revolution in the DP, it's long overdue.

[NoPasaran]

9. I didn't realise this was all about you

That makes all the difference. Barkeep! A shot of your tastiest koolaid, and leave the pitcher!

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. As happened twice in my lifetime already.

The disaster of 68 led to a populist rebellion and put more minority delegates in the convention, and created a groundswell of popular support for progressives.

That led to the election of 72 where the neophytes got trounced by a well organized republican machine. They were still around, and much more effective in 96, giving us Jimmy Carter, but his inability to overcome the combination of the hostage crisis and the Bushco manipulation of the hostage crisis defeated him in 80, leading to all hell breaking loose again as the DLC blamed that 68 progressive rebellion for everything that came after, whereupon they pushed through the superdelegate system to PREVENT any further progressive rebellions.

If they do what they were CREATED for, they will be swept aside in yet another progressive rebellion, and the DLC will be history.

[MethuenProgressive]

2. SuperDs for Obama: Good! SuperDs for Clinton: Bad!

At least, according to what I read on DU.

[ShortnFiery]

3. Not an absolute. I'm not the only Obama supporter who believes that super-delegates ...

should NOT be The Deciding Factor for our Democratic Nominee. :shrug:

In fact, I believe that we should NOT have super-delegates at all. :thumbsdown:

The M$M was seemingly on "a full court press" yesterday in order to convince us lowly chattering classes that *super-delegates are people too." I say BULLSHIT! Each super-delegate represents 13,000 people. That's NOT "democratic" (people representation) but more of "republic" (elite representation) of our illustrious term "Democratic Republic."

[tekisui]

5. SuperDs to the winner of the pledged Delegates: Period.

[MethuenProgressive]

6. Is that the DNC rule?

[tekisui]

11. Unfortunately not.

I think the DNC should change a few things after this Primary. Get rid of Supers, or reduce their influence. Do away with Caucus, among others.

I think if the Democratic Party wants to stay viable in this and future elections, the SuperDs should put their support into the candidate with the most pledged delegates. Otherwise, you will see a lot of upset voters than will not be there this November.

[Thepricebreaker]

4. They will go with who has the most..

If the super D's do not go with the way of the voters your going to have a riot at the convention. It would look VERY bad for us.
If Obama has more votes, and more popular votes - Hillary would be another Selected not Elected Candidate.

[mohc]

7. Of course it has to be higher than 60%

Superdelegates make up almost 20% of the delegates, now totaling 795 (RIP Tom Lantos). Since it is possible that all superdelegates to go against the pledged delegate leader, they have to leading by AT LEAST the number of superdelegates. In other words, they need to get to 50% of the delegate total just from the 80% of delegates that are pledged. 5 / 8 = 62.5%. To get half of the delegate total from pledged delegates, they must win approximately 62.5% of pledged delegates (5 / 8 = 62.5%). As big as Obama's wins were in MD and VA last night, they really are just barely keeping ground with the number of delegates he needs each contest to win on pledged delegates alone. The only practical way for a candidate to win on pledged delegates alone is if all other candidates drop out while there is still a bulk of delegates so that they can rack up all the delegates in the final states. Assuming Clinton stays in until March 4, it may in fact be statistically impossible for Obama to reach 2025 pledged delegates after that date as there may not be enough remaining delegates to reach that, as there will only be 611 left. This is why it is unlikely that Clinton will drop out, there simply would be no point. She really just needs to get a few hundred more pledged delegates so that she is within striking distance of the 2,025 if she were to get all the superdelegates.