As a Hillary supporter, I have to say that Obama might win.

[AGirl]

Obama has proven to the democrats that black voters overwhelmingly support him and now hes also getting the white votes.

He has demonstrated that he can bring the voters together by healing the racial tension that has existed for a long time between blacks and white.

His own mixed racial background makes his point more poignant about “uniting” the country.

The superedelegates are politicians, they are not stupid, they know that Obama has huge potential for the dem party as it can positioned itself as a party that represent “change” and “unity” that has a wide based appeal.

After Katrina, the racial disparity has shown itself to be a big emotional factor among black voters.

The Clintons aren’t racist, black voters just need an excuse to support their man.


It isn’t fair that Hillary will lose, but she probably will because she isn’t half white and half black and she has a vagina.

Misogyny and feminism is just too divisive and we need to continue them for a while, sorry ladies. We still have a long way to go.



PS: Also, I personally found Hillary’s life story as very inspiring to me , as a woman. But we all know a woman’s story is not as interesting a man’s story, which can be shared and made translatable to the humanity. When will women be whole? Not in 2008.

[papau]

1. isn’t half white and half black and she has a vagina - that about sums up the media/Dem Primary

[Bongo Prophet]

62. Kind of sad if that is all you can take from it - she's had some great moments , as has he.

This has been a historical primary, and so many have gotten so tied up in hating each other that they missed it.
That, to me, is just tragic.

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[CountAllVotes]

3. maybe it is because she is a Clinton

and people are just fed up with them perhaps?

What a disgusting thing to say about YOUR CANDIDATE!

[TwilightGardener]

4. You started off making some good points, and then buried them in crap.

Hillary is losing because she's not running her campaign as well as Obama is running his, and while she may be a good candidate, Obama is proving to be a better one. No conspiracy, no reverse racism, no sexism can explain her losses.

[meow mix]

6. almost a good post..

missed by a fair margain though lol

[ORDem]

11. kick n/t

:kick:

[rodeodance]

12. HA ha--You were all smiles untl you started disagreeing with what was said HA!

[sendero]

71. HRC is losing..

... because she decided to abandon her base.

[sharp_stick]

5. Picked up the mAnn Coulter memo huh?

How lucky Obama is to be half black. Clinton isn't out of it yet but I don't think she would lose because she's a woman or because she's white.

I think that if she loses it's because people see her as the establishment candidate, right or wrong, and Obama as the insurgant, for lack of a better term. Dems especially are tired of the status quo and are moving to a candidate that they see as less of a mainstream politicial.

Personally I don't think Obama is any less establishment than Clinton but he's pushing that angle and getting a lot of traction with it.

[rodeodance]

7. yes, and a lot of Sexist language used on DU last evening during to speech!!

[Raydawg1234]

8. way to play the gender card.......

i thought we were supposed to look past gender and race and look at the candidate.

what an ignorant thread

[rodeodance]

15. Way to through out a card without saying anything of substance--very Rovian of you.

[Armstead]

9. Ho-hum.....It isn't all about gender

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe -- just maybe -- a lot of people like Obama for positive reasons?

And, have you ever considered the possibility that many people do not support Hillary for reasons that have nothing to do with her gender?

[AGirl]

10. Nothing is ALL about anything..

[babylonsister]

13. This is pathetic. Maybe she just doesn't have the 'right stuff' and that has

nothing to do with her having a vagina. Did you even consider that it's not about her being a woman, but her being Hillary Clinton?

[Debi]

14. Excuse for Hillary not winning # 3248

Couldn't be HER fault - must be the sexists :eyes:

[PassingFair]

16. A "girl" is right.....how old are you, 12?

This is the dumbest post I've ever seen on DU.

AND one of the most insulting.

To YOUR candidate.

But maybe that's just my vagina talking...

:wtf:

[rodeodance]

18. Try engaging in the OP argument instead of Dissing the OP.

[PassingFair]

24. "Engaging" in THAT op?

I can't get past the half-black vagina!

[Hepburn]

56. Excellent remark!

:applause:

[Binka]

29. This "GIRL" Should Have Been Banned After 10 Posts n/t

[Straight Shooter]

70. You've been here since 2003 and you think that's the dumbest post you've ever seen?

And the most insulting to Hillary?

And then you introduce your own vagina to DU?

:wtf:

[PassingFair]

72. Yup. Dumbest post I've ever seen.

And I've seen a lot of them.

She brought up the subject of vaginas,
it was only polite to give her a little lip.

[Occam Bandage]

17. You started off great. After the words "among black voters," you fell into a sack of shit.

[Lerkfish]

19. "The Clintons aren’t racist, black voters just need an excuse to support their man."

um, yeah.

frickin bullshit slash and burn racism disguised as something else -- you guys are transparently desperate.

[TwilightGardener]

26. When Obama doesn't get a majority of white women, I don't hear him crying sexism. Funny.

[Darth_Kitten]

65. No, just some of his supporters slam Hillary and the women supporting her...

but that's okay, guess "some" didn't have strong, capable women in their own lives.

[RiverStone]

20. Some sexism - sure - but there is more...

Appreciate the difficulty in acknowledging your candidate may not win.

You have my empathy there AGirl.

Though as a male, I can assure you that if her IWR vote was made as a man - I'd be equally turned off by both the vote and subsequent denial that it was a mistake. There are other well worn concerns as well, but no need to rehash them here.

Obama is still a huge step forward.

Thanks for sharing.

[AGirl]

25. I think Hillary is not losing because of the IWR.

Maybe she will lose in DU over IWR, but not in the real world.

[Mountainman]

21. If you watched both speeches last night I think you might have gotten the reason he is winning.

He gives better speeches. He is more exciting. He is a much better convincer. He ends his speeches with, "I love you."

Hillary does the clap, clap, point, point, thing way too much. She seems to be trying to persuade us rather than lead us.

Obama is just better at it than Hillary is.

I think that either would be a good president.

[rodeodance]

39. I saw the sexist thread on DU as she spoke.

[jmg257]

22. Why isn't it fair when Hillary loses? Cause the VOTERS had THEIR say??? nt

It isn’t fair that Hillary will lose

Sheesh - it is VERY fair - get over it!

[Raine]

23. Yeah that's all it's about race & sexism

:sarcasm:

[zulchzulu]

27. I would vote for Pelosi, Boxer, Sibelius, Waters, Baldwin or even Snowe in a NY second

They are just some of the women I would vote for (there are others) if they were running for President.

It has NOTHING to do with half-white/black or anything else. These women can stand on their own and I'd gladly support them.

[AGirl]

28. They are not interested in running and they will never be president.

So save your bs to yourself.

[BlackVelvet04]

34. sure you would....

until they actually ran.

[mtnsnake]

30. I agree there's a chance he will win. While its only a small chance, mind you, he does have a chance

[AGirl]

31. heh. Someone gave me a heart. I am happy.

[PassingFair]

36. Good. Here's a puppy for you too.

Now go away please...

[Catherine Vincent]

59. You're telling the OP to go away?

You're on her thread, Einstein.

[PassingFair]

68. This thread belongs in bizarro-land, Tesla.

[rodeodance]

37. LOL

[rodeodance]

32. Sexism is candidate Clinton's primary opponent

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080123_Sexism_is_candidate_Clintons_primary_opponent.html

Sexism is candidate Clinton's primary opponent

Jodi Enda- is a former White House correspondent for Knight-Ridder


Posted on Wed, Jan. 23, 2008


No one has called Barack Obama a witch.

No one has suggested John McCain is too ambitious.

No one has disparaged Mitt Romney for misting up.

No one has accused John Edwards of faking emotions.

No one has depicted Mike Huckabee as calculating.

No one has critiqued the pitch of Rudy Giuliani's voice.

No one says male presidential aspirants are cold or feisty or careless about their cleavage (or any other anatomical feature). If they tear up, or even - gasp! - cry, no one says men are too weak to run the country. If they blow a gasket (à la Bill Clinton), it's manly. If they blow off a question (classic Reagan), it's strategic.

But when a woman has a chance to win the presidency, all bets are off. It's no conspiracy; this is America.

Sure, Hillary Clinton is a popular target in ways that other women are not. Clinton-hating is something of a blood sport, and nothing Clinton does will undo that. Still, the haters did little to diminish her husband's popularity (no matter what he did to help them) when he was in office. We're talking about something different now, something . . . sexist………

When she doesn't show emotion, she's cold. When she does, she's - what? - feminine? Soft? Un-commander-in-chief-like? Unless, of course, she's faking it, in which case she's calculating. When she's serious, she's humorless; if she laughs, she cackles. If she attacks, she's partisan. If she plays nice, she's acting. If she wears pantsuits, she's manly. If she shows a millimeter of cleavage, she's flirty.
………………
In other words, too female?

E-mail Jodi Enda at [e-mail]
…………..




"In many ways, it remains socially acceptable to be sexist. Whether that's because it's not always easily defined, or because women have been lulled into tolerating it, or because men still hold the keys to success is difficult to determine. Could it be that the men who dominate the airwaves and oversee most election coverage don't recognize the code words, that they honestly don't see the disparate treatment?"


E-mail Jodi Enda at [e-mail].
…………………

[AGirl]

33. I read that. Women are still strange beings to alot of men unfortunately.

We are not quite human. Sometimes, we don't even think we are as human as our male counterparts, which is sad.

[Arkansas Granny]

43. I had not seen that, but she is certainly spot on.

[NorthernSpy]

48. Obama's been called the "Affirmative Action Candidate", McCain's supposedly "mentally ill"...

Romney got bashed repeatedly over his religion.


Hillary is not unique in being the focus of hostile scrutiny from people looking for a reason to diss&dismiss.

[bigtree]

35. those two state's demographic wins may not replicate in the other states

we'll see

[apnu]

38. Ah, nothing like waking up to sexism in the morning

To blame Hillary Clinton's slump on sexism and racism is laughable.

Its obvious that voters in this primary are ready to vote either for a African American or a woman, otherwise Edward would still be in it. Clinton's slump has nothing to do with her sex, and everything to do with her likeability versus Obama, IMO.

Obama has great charisma, the stuff that works on TV, radio and in person. Hillary Clinton does not, on TV. She does have it in spades in person. However it is a physical impossibility that she can meet and greet each voter so her personal type of charisma can work to her benefit.

Furthermore, if one is going to identify with feminism, (or rather feminists are going to side with a candidate) then they should consider the most basic point of feminism -- that a person's sex should not matter when considering someone else for a particular job.

Voting for a candidate because of their skin colour or sex is a lot like voting for a candidate just because of their party alignment. That's what Republicans do... Democrats are smarter.

[loveangelc]

40. wrong. hillary will lose because she ran a suckass campaign.

[Lerkfish]

42. DINGDING DING! we have a winner!

she has no one to blame but herself.

[Hepburn]

57. Painted herself as the "inevitable" nominee....

...and that really was a stupid thing to do.

JMHO

[Maribelle]

41. By the popular vote as of today: Obama 46.86% Hillary 46.46%

Obama 9,806,864 46.86%
Clinton 9,724,156 46.46%

[AGirl]

44. awsome, not far behind.

[babylonsister]

47. Do you have a link, or are you just throwing numbers out, hoping

we'll believe them?

[Maribelle]

49. The green papers ...

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml

[babylonsister]

50. This link says Obama is ahead in popular vote:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/obama_leads_in_the_total_popul.php

[Maribelle]

64. And??? I said Obama was ahead, didn't I?

Is there a significant difference between the percentages I first posted and 47% for both on the one you posted? In fact, your 47% shows dead even and is obviously merely only rounded up.


Numbers are changing by the minute as votes are validated. And it seems each site has different numbers. So it comes down to buyer beware.

And quite frankly I don't trust either TPM nor their source of NBC as being unbaised - - as the green papers are; nor accurate for that matter. Both TPM and NBC should be ashamed of themselves. They are total zeroes in my book.

[TalkAgain]

63. Please take out the Florida numbers

Silly

[JTFrog]

45. Do you realize how demeaning it is to women everywhere to put the onus on them

because Hillary isn't winning?

I am whole woman right now in 2008, thank you very much. I'm sorry for you that you hitched your womanhood to Hillary's campaign.

[Bonobo]

46. "It isn’t fair that Hillary will lose because she isn’t half white and half black and has a vagina."

That's how I will always remember you after you are gone, AGirl.

[calteacherguy]

51. You lost me when you starting talking about Hillary won't win because she has a vagina.

Obama is winning the majority of votes of people with vaginas, don't you know? :shrug:

You're post started out very good, then deteriorated into stupidity. :thumbsdown:

[rodeodance]

53. My guess would be that you to educate yourself about sexism in the USA.

[TheDonkey]

52. Your desperation is showing

[Yael]

54. This is pathetic

[Hepburn]

55. What total unmitigated bullshit:

It isn’t fair that Hillary will lose, but she probably will because she isn’t half white and half black and she has a vagina.

I am ashamed that member of my beloved Democratic Party would make a statement as this. If you cannot figure why it is the totally WRONG thing to say, then maybe Free Republic is a better place for you to post.

JMHO

[smalll]

58. As a male Hillarite, I've been surprised how strong sexism is in the electorate,

but I think I've figured it out. (To me, Hillary always seemed the most "presidential" of the candidates, particularly when they have been laid end to end in debates, even though up until now everything "presidential" has always been male.) I've been surprised how much of the electorate can't get past the fact that she's a woman, but I think I've figured it out: it's an American thing. People with a real awareness of history and of the world are used to the woman leader, partially because of monarchies. People like Elizabeth I of England, or Victoria, Catherine the Great of Russia, women like that proved they could lead, and that has been reflected in the more modern, democratic governments of the world, with people like Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, even Angela Merkel, Mary Robinson of Ireland, and others.

But America has had no experience at all with women in charge of its government (except maybe for Edith Wilson at the end, but that was kept kind of hush-hush.) At most, on gubernatorial levels, you have the occasional Lurleen Wallace type, where a woman sits as a place-holder for her husband.

[GarbagemanLB]

69. That is such a pathetic excuse.

I guess anyone who opposes Obama is racist, then.

[DiamondJay]

73. its not the electorate, its the media

THEY are the ones who hate Hillary Clinton and have fucked her campaign up. they talk about bullshit non-scandals that every campaign does. they ruined her image with bills in the 90s when they decided to buy into the bullshit the Arkansas Project was selling in order to sell tabloids. She beats McCain in some polls. She could win, except the media hates the Clintons. But to be fair, with the federal system of government, getting a women elected to head of state is much MUCH harder than in a parliament. Parliaments are the ones who elected the women you mention, as they vote on a leader just like the house of reps. If we were a parliament, Nancy Pelosi would be president.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

60. I don;t feel the same way

I was torn between both candidates, and the I was supporting Hillary, but now I support Obama.

I was supporting Hillary for a lot of different reasons, but not really because she's a woman. I don't think her being a woman is her biggest strength and I actually think it's not fair and right for people to put that idea out there. I actually it demeans her to make a big deal about how she would be the first woman president.

[Iktomiwicasa]

61. I will tell you, AGirl

That I have no qualms whatsoever about supporting a woman candidate. I do, however, have serious questions about this particular woman and her character, and that is why I am voting for Obama.

[K Gardner]

66. Let's see: Black, half-black, half white, racist, black voters, vagina. GOT IT !!

:banghead:

[still_one]

67. Anyone might win, perhaps none of the above might win also if it goes to

the convention undecided