I cannot believe the stupidity and sour grapes on this forum

[madmunchie]

A candidate OUR CANDIDATE that is getting more and more popular by the day is being put down as a "cult figure" and that is what "fellow" Democrats are saying? I thought that this forum was mainly made up from adults, now it appears that many "children" are part of it to. Who knows how this whole thing will end up, BUT the fact that the Repubs have such a poor ticket should alone give us much rejoicing.....Top that off with 2 strong candidates, one gaining popularity and momentum on his own should be giving us pure joy. But no, instead we get such obviously jealous hateful remarks. Why????? Why is this needed? Sure I am not a big HRC fan, for many reasons, that is why I am so thrilled to see new blood, somebody that is gathering support on his own, with his own fresh message. This truly gives me hope, this truly makes me feel that there is hope for our Party and that we do have possibilities and that it is for the people and by the people.

Why I am seeing some of the really horrid remarks here makes me embarrassed to be a Democrat.

[IndieLeft]

1. You didn't know? We have a troll infestation.

The real democrats on here, even the ones who are Hillary supporters don't talk like that.

[Unbowed]

33. Exactly.

Most of are united no matter which candidate ends up facing McCain in the fall. The republicans are the ones who are divided. Interesting isn't it that we have people here actively TRYING to divide us using republican talking points.

Amusing actually. Like we can't see through it.

Come November: retribution. Ah, it will be sweet.

[backscatter712]

35. Yeah, that's pretty much it.

I don't know how much of it is freeper disruptors doing concern-trolls, how much is paid astroturfers from Clinton's or Obama's campaigns (though personally, I'd find Clinton's camp more likely to pull these kinds of stunts,) or even paid GOP shills trying to stir the shit, and how much is just pissed off DUers blowing off steam.

But I think Skinner & co. may have to bring down the ban-hammer again. Maybe look into some IP-bans if they find that one person or group of people has bunches of sockpuppets here.

[goclark]

41. How do we know who they are ~

I sure wish someone would post something to the poster above the troll to let us know.

I support OBAMA and we seem to constatnly be attack when as far as I can tell, we try to stay OK ~ appropriate.

[Horse with no Name]

2. A candidate that embraces OUR party would give me HOPE for OUR party

However...the current frontrunner does NOT embrace our party. He supposedly transcends it.:eyes:

[madmunchie]

6. Our Party should evolve or it will become irrelevant. The Democrats of 20 years ago

aren't necessarily the Democrats of today, that is the way that it is supposed to be Clinton changed the party when he became POTUS, some said that he went way too right, well we had a pretty good 8 years. The evolution is necessary and a voice that can get people to listen and a voice that can motivate them to do things for this country is to be cherished.

[Bake]

10. Personally, I'd like to vote for a DEMOCRAT in the GE.

A real Democrat. Unfortunately, Al Gore isn't running.

Bake

[burythehatchet]

11. and THAT is a great thing. We keep ourselves divided with labels. n/t

[saracat]

45. Good one! I love it!

[salin]

3. there is ugly, ugly behavior on this board from both sides.

I can't even keep count. It is a little disingenuous to point the finter at supporters of one candidate and not recognize the mirrored behavior of the supporters of the other candidate.

[Blue_In_AK]

4. Healthy skepticism is not a bad thing.

Some of us just aren't bandwagon-jumpers. That doesn't mean we won't vote for our nominee in November.

[madmunchie]

7. Being a bandwagon jumper and being ugly and viscous are two different things.

[Blue_In_AK]

12. I do agree whole-heartedly...

My comment was directed at those who insist on shouting down, ridiculing and name-calling even those who express honest doubt. It's happened to me despite my efforts to remain polite, so I know what I'm talking about.

[krabigirl]

Totally. Flame-baiting and name calling is not right, but we should be able to air our doubts.

[Beaverhausen]

21. what about the thread calling Edwards a "twinkie"

do you approve of that? Or are you only calling out those criticizing Obama?

[NashVegas]

39. *** More Crickets ***

At this time of year, even.

[krabigirl]

14. exactly!

[LanternWaste]

27. However, unhealthy skepticism is not a good thing.

However, unhealthy skepticism is not a good thing.

Honestly? I don't think any of us are bandwagon jumpers...

[Blue_In_AK]

38. Maybe, but I am ALWAYS skeptical of politicians

unless I know them personally, and even then I keep an eye on them. I'm an equal opportunity skeptic. :evilgrin:

I understand that most people here are supporting whomever they're supporting for good and valid reasons so maybe "bandwagon jumping" was an unfortunate term to use, but I do think that "some" people turn a blind eye to their own candidate's flaws and magnify those of their opponent. I think each one of the Democratic candidates in this race, present and past, rise head and shoulders above any Republican, but they all have their down sides.

[LanternWaste]

40. Heck, to an extent, I think *all* of us do that.

"but I do think that "some" people turn a blind eye to their own candidate's flaws and magnify those of their opponent."

Heck, to an extent, I think *all* of us do that. The difference being merely in degrees.

[Blue_In_AK]

42. Objectivity is never easy.

[rug]

5. Part of the reason is the Democratic nominee will be the President.

[ccpup]

8. it unfortunately goes both ways

check out some of the remarks by Barack Supporters in the pro-Hillary Threads. As nasty and spiteful and vicious and snarky and immature as one would hope to never see on a Democratic Forum. And then watch the gloating and rubbing of salt in the wounds of Hillary supporters as Barack wins another primary.

It's easy to wail and moan and bitch that supporters are being mean to your candidate, but you gotta be honest and admit it's a two-way street by taking a look at how your guy's supporters are treating other people. The main reason I so rarely Post here anymore and refuse to donate anymore money to DU is simply because the disgusting lack of civility from many of Barack Obama's supporters.

(now sit back and watch as someone responds with a "waaaa --- waaaaa --- waaaa" crying baby post)

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. The "cult" stuff isn't working...it's lame as hell

We saw John McCain try to use it yesterday when he mentioned "platitudes." That was another Clinton supporter line that's linked into the cult nonsense; it's been failing miserably. Just miserably.

I think it's actually good that they're throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Obama. We see what doesn't stick at all (Rezko, cult, demeaning the "hope and change" theme). They're flat arguments. As is increasingly clear with every result.

This is what primaries are for: test the arguments on each other. If McCain is really leading with "platitudes," he's gonna be in for a world of hurt. It got nowhere with the Clintons, and it will get nowhere in the general. Obama is effectively putting people in the position of doing one of two things:

1) I'm for hope, too! (You sound like a Johnny-Come-Lately and panderer)
2) All this talk of hope is a platitude (You sound like an asshole and killjoy)

Good luck with those positions.

[kestrel91316]

13. Never forget: there are LARGE numbers of "democrats" here.

Some of us are the real deal.

The RW sees great value in sowing discord among our ranks. I have found the Ignore button helpful in keeping me from being drawn in to flamebait posts.

[BlackVelvet04]

15. congratulations....

you just contributed greatly to it.

[madmunchie]

16. And how exactly is that? Please be just a little bit more precise

[NMMNG]

17. Take a look in the mirror

Take a look at some of your fellow Obama supporters. Then ask yourself why some of the HRC supporters here might not be so friendly towards you right now.


Ye reap what you sow.

[madmunchie]

25. Oh yeah, don't take responsiblity for your own actions, blame others for

what you do.....so typical

[NMMNG]

30. No, I'm telling you to take responsibility for your actions

You and your some of Obama friends have been acting like total shitheads. Then you wonder why many HRC supporters are turned off. Case in point, your OP and your reply to me.

Don't bother replying to this because I'm not playing your reindeer games any more.

[moosen]

18. Don't blame us, blame Obama

OUR candidate?

My candidate is Hillary. Forget about reaching across to mythical Obamicans. How the hell are you going to get reality based democrats that are not caught up in this hysterical cult to vote for Obama?

[ieoeja]

20. Let me see if I get what you're trying to say here.

Don't vote for Obama. He's so popular it's scary.

[Beaverhausen]

19. Maybe Obama gives you hope, but that's not what he gives me

so stop trying to make me and others fall in line behind him. His talk of working with republicans shows me he isn't ready to lead. I do not support that kind of talk. We have too many big problems in this country to think they can be solved by working with the repukes.

this is how I feel - get over it. You are entitled to disagree.

[madmunchie]

28. Don't worry about "falling in line" And definetly, don't see any advantage in

uniting. That would be terrible....Actually having people come and work together for the common good is not what any "good" political creature wants.....afterall, doesn't there always need to be an enemy?

[Beaverhausen]

31. "uniting" - now where have I heard that before?

Oh yeah...

if you don't think most repukes think of YOU AND ME as the enemy, well I just don't know.

[madmunchie]

36. If there is a way to get past that???? Or is that beyond your comprehension?

[GreenTea]

22. And one doesn't ask why the republican MSM is praising Obama...The same media

that's trashed every Democrat from Carter to Clinton to Gore to Kerry to Edwards & Hillary and we're the stupid ones who don't believe it's because the republican owned corporate media just loves this particular Democrat, Obama?

Get fucking real! Who's the simplistic stupid ones who just can't get enough television coverage of their boy, these people are eating it up and NEVER asking why? ...un-fucking believable!

It's ironic (not to say bizarre) that Barack Obama strikes so many people as
"progressive." First of all, because he's simply not progressive; and, secondly,
because the press has so far treated him much as it treated Ronald Reagan
back in 1980 (and, by and large, forever after): i.e., apolitically, uncritically,
with lots of emphasis on his success as a "communicator" and almost nothing
on his actual positions, or the interests back of him.

If the media knocked off the Reagan treatment of Obama, more of us might
have a clearer sense of where he's really coming from. That he (too) belongs to
Wall Street, and is in the pocket of a nuclear power company called Exelon
(and lies about it), and has named Zbigniew Brzezinski as his top foreign policy
adviser, and stumped for Lieberman, are just a few examples of his true character,
politically speaking. If this sort of thing got proper coverage, we would all be
better off.

It is, of course, a great thing that Obama has inspired so many people to get into
politics. Those people should, however, know exactly who it is they're fighting
for, and what "change" he is likely to create.

MCM

[RandomKoolzip]

23. Decades of fighting for the underdog have embedded in the liberal mind

a peculiar strain of thought that might be either conscious or unconscious: we can only imagine ourselves as underdogs, therefore when one of us starts winning, begins succeeding, or gains acceptance by those we don't consider "us," we scorn him/her and identify them as an alien, an "other."

It's a truism that humans are jealous of others' successes; American liberals are unique in that they're jealous of others' failures - failure, of course, is a mark of purity. If you've failed, if you're consistently losing elections, it's a sign that you're "ahead of your time," or "speaking truth to power," or some other tired cliche. It's why Dennis Kucinich, as ineffectual as he is, is a hero to almost all of us here (myself included - I am not immune to this shit, either).

This is part and parcel of the "sell-out accusation" syndrome common to ideologically pure political junkies; as soon as "one of us" begins to look like a winner, it seems our solemn duty is destroy him/her.

We need therapy, all of us.

[calico1]

24. Do you even see the irony in your post?

"Stupidity and sour grapes"

Is this an example of the so called "unity" message that you so are attracted to in your candidate?

And do you really think this is the way to get Hillary Clinton supporters on board with Obama?

[madmunchie]

26. I'm not trying to get the "Hillary" supporters on board.........I am just sick of the

slimey posts on this board.

[calico1]

29. There are plenty on your side too.

Slime is slime no matter where it comes from.

[NMMNG]

32. Like yours?

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

34. Both camps are chock full of flat out immature idiots and babies.

America deserves whatever it gets.

[Guava Jelly]

37. I can't argue with that

:hi:

[saracat]

43. As a friend of mine and former activist as of today stated"What party"?

I am sorry but I don't see that we have a Democrat as a fontrunner and if we don't nominate a Democrat I see nothing to rejoice in. The fact that my "alleged" party is seeing fit to probably nominate a person who represents nothing has caused many of us to quit and more are going to follow.

[IndianaGreen]

44. The DLCers are having kittens about their "girl" under performing

I am sure that it too will pass!

[redqueen]

46. Yeah... here's my solution: just stay away.

It works great. I peek in maybe once a day... and that's it.