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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:36 PM
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More desperation from Mark Penn and Hillary's campaign

Mark Penn's New Message: Hillary Is In "21st Century Solutions Business"

By Greg Sargent - February 13, 2008, 1:39PM

On a conference call with reporters just now, Hillary pollster Mark Penn unveiled the campaign's new message: Hillary, he said, is in the "21st Century solutions business," while Obama is in the "problems business."

The new message coincides with a reworked stump speech that Hillary made this morning, in which she used strikingly similar language.

Separately, on the call Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson made it clear that he thinks the campaign has something of a winning message in the demand that Obama agree to more head-to-head debates, something the campaign desperately wants in order to blunt the impact of Obama's superior oratory on the stump.

Wolfson, in what perhaps signals recognition of the more than a dozen debates we've already had, pointed out that the two have only had a single head to head debate. "Is Senator Obama hiding from the direct comparison that voters deserve?" Wolfson asked, adding: "He will have a difficult time explaining that."

One other interesting tidbit: Penn flatly put a hard number on where the delegate count would stand after the big contests on March 4th: He said that she would be within 25 delegates of Obama.


Huh? I thought their claim was that Obama was in the "false hope" and "smoke and mirrors" business?

I see Penn is already trying to dumb down expectations.




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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:39 PM
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1. Does Hillary have an "Easy Button" on her desk?
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:45 PM
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2. That's pretty funny, considering their Small Business Champion of the Year endorsed Obama
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:45 PM
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3. What is funny is that the Hillary campaign is currently down
25 delegates. So what Penn is saying is that all they need to do on March 4th is Tie Obama. Way to lower expectations.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:11 PM
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5. Carville's
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:46 PM
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4. I thought 21st century was a Real Estate Business?

She can't even solve the problems in her own campaign, how is she going to solve our country's problems?


As for being within 25 delegates after March 4th, umm.... what good is that? She will still be losing by 25 delegates and we are supposed to be impressed? What other big states are left after Ohio and Texas? It sounds like she is done, may as well hang it up.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:24 PM
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6. Breaking: Clintons' InfoUSA Ties Scrutinized
Election 2008

Clintons' InfoUSA Ties Scrutinized

by Peter Overby

Audio for this story will be available at approx. 7:00 p.m. ET

All Things Considered, February 13, 2008 · Political campaigns spend thousands, even millions of dollars to acquire good mailing lists. But last year, Hillary Clinton took the unusual step of renting out some of her lists. The transaction highlights the Clintons' connections to a businessman who now faces questions from the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Vinod Gupta, founder of InfoUSA, a brokerage house for mailing lists, has given early and often to the Clintons' campaigns and to the Clinton library. Bill Clinton has had a lucrative business relationship with InfoUSA.

But InfoUSA has been in legal trouble for selling mailing lists to scam artists, and it's being sued by stockholders who say Gupta spends their profits to ingratiate himself to the Clintons.

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CAMPAIGN FINANCE

Accounting 101: The Clintons

Where did Hillary Clinton get the money for her $5 million loan to her campaign?


On Board: Hillary and Bill Clinton on her campaign plane last month
By Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff | NEWSWEEK
Feb 18, 2008 Issue | Updated: 2:45 p.m. ET Feb 9, 2008


Hillary and Bill Clinton are not nearly as wealthy as, say, Mitt Romney, but her recent $5 million emergency loan to her own presidential campaign has made one thing clear: the Clintons are doing just fine, thanks. Other matters related to the loan are less clear. For starters, where did Hillary Clinton find the cash? Her aides were reluctant to provide details. In e-mail responses to NEWSWEEK, campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson wrote that she "didn't borrow any money" and noted that she "has made considerably more than" $5 million from her 2003 memoir, "Living History." The loan itself, Wolfson wrote, "came from Senator Clinton's (50 percent) share" of joint resources with her husband.

Clinton, unlike rival Barack Obama, has not released her tax returns. But disclosure forms that Clinton filed with the Senate provide some clues to her family finances. They show Bill Clinton has earned tens of millions of dollars in recent years giving speeches at rates of up to $450,000 apiece. During one week in 2006, the former president collected $1.7 million for talks in Europe and South Africa. (He also collected speaking fees from Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, the Mortgage Bankers Association and other big firms.) The documents are more circumspect about other Clinton financial interests, including his annual income as a "partner" in billionaire pal Ron Burkle's businesses and from Vinod Gupta's InfoUSA. Both payouts are listed as "over $1,000"—a description that is legally adequate but not very enlightening. Clinton spokespeople recently said the former president is preparing to sever his dealings with Burkle and Gupta "should Senator Clinton become the Democratic nominee," in order to avoid any conflicts. But Gupta, whose firm has paid Bill at least $3.3 million since 2003, told NEWSWEEK that he is still paying fees to him; Burkle's spokesman could not be reached for comment.

When the Clintons left the White House, they were drowning in legal bills. But by last year, they had sufficient cash flow to pay off the mortgage on their home in Washington, D.C. According to local property records, they took out a 30-year, $1.995 million mortgage in 2001 but paid it off in full last November. (The Clintons also own a home in Chappaqua, N.Y., but there is no record of a similar mortgage payoff.) Election-law experts say that it is legal for candidates to make unlimited loans—or outright donations—to their own campaigns, as long as they do not seek public campaign subsidies. Candidates can even charge their campaigns interest, as John Kerry did in 2004. But a Clinton campaign adviser, who asked not to be identified discussing internal matters, said that fund-raisers have been told that Hillary's loan is interest-free. Wolfson wrote that the campaign had signed a promissory note for the loan and that Clinton could forgive the debt if she wishes, though the campaign adviser said "she expects to get paid back when this is over."


Hillary's Curious Campaign Loan


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:30 PM
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7. "Let's see how the campaign develops, Howie."
Shall we? We'll get back to you on those extra debates. Some time in April.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:30 PM
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8. dupe
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 06:30 PM by Stephanie
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