90 to 10 black vote is the cause of big margins in the latest primaries

[hill08]

When you look at the voter breakdown, you can see that while the margins in non-black voter preference are within 10 points (both in favor Hillary and Obama), it is the black voters super loyal to Obama who skew the vote so heavily towards Obama.

I am an Asian male, and even I feel a little uncomfortable knowing that Obama's race is going to be the determining factor here. Can you imagine the backlash against blacks when Obama loses to McCain in November and everyone will realize that this selfish desire to put the first black president in the White House caused the 3rd Bush term.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

How do you explain Idaho?

Sexually-biased math?

[geek tragedy]

3. Black people, red states, caucuses, open primaries,

latte liberals, and men don't count.

[skipos]

12. And the youth vote. Don't forget about them, they don't count either. nt

[NMMatt]

146. In fact the only people who do apparently count...

Are Latinos, Women over 40, Whites who earn less than 50k as long as they live in a Industrial State, i.e. Whites from New Mexico of all incomes levels don't con't - only Latinos count in New Mexico... Oh and Asians, Asians count double.

[skipos]

9. That was a caucus or a red state or it had bad weather or something else

that makes it "not count." The only states that count are the ones that Hillary wins.

[hill08]

34. I am talking about Maryland, Virginia and DC

[TwilightGardener]

42. I think we should not allow blacks to vote then--they obviously can't be counted on

to do it responsibly.

[jasmine621]

166. I think the OP was just making a serious statement about the reality

of the situation. It's ok to say that black people are voting for the black candidate. Why not? It's true. I am black and not offended by that statement. I also did not vote for Obama but I understand why many black would. We all need to grow up and stop feigning to be offended by statements of fact about race. You don't think for one moment that Obamam meant anything different when he said he could get Hillary's voters but she couldn't get his, do you. He knows he is black. He knows that gives him certain advantages in certain area, especially if you have the media implying racial overtones to your opponents. If he thought otherwise, he would not be smart.

[ellisonz]

180. But you have to concede it is not primarily a directly causal equation.

The majority of Black Americans are not just voting for Barack because of his skin color, they are also voting for him because of what he says and because of the positions he stands for. He's running a very savvy campaign and people know this. It's the hope, stupid. I think racially and gender motivated voting is equal between Clinton and Obama voters.

;-)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. Really?

Because he won white voters in Maryland and Virginia and DC by a pretty good margin too.

[rodeodance]

37. The SWOON effect

Bornaginhooligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-13-08 04:07 PM
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How do you explain Idaho?

Sexually-biased math?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Are you sure it wasn't bad weather?

or the cult controlled media?

[rodeodance]

70. ha ha--but i do think it is a factor for some.

Bornaginhooligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Feb-13-08 04:21 PM
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46. Are you sure it wasn't bad weather?

Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 04:21 PM by Bornaginhooligan
or the cult controlled media?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. But only for Clinton supporters, right?

Because seniors voted Obama in Maryland, despite the weather.

[rodeodance]

100. chuckle--i thought Weather referred getting all swooped up in the heat.

[Little Star]

94. Illinois was next door, Oprah bused in students who went to

school there to vote which is legal. These kids, voters and volunteers were housed for less than $20 a night (I believe the amount was). He was very lucky to have his home state next door to Iowa and Oprah to pick up the tab of busing.

But most of all:

A caucus process:
partisans who live within a relatively small geographic area — a local precinct — get together and vote for delegates who are pledged to support specific candidates. Those delegates, in turn, represent their precinct at a county convention, which chooses delegates to attend the state convention. And the delegates to the state convention select delegates to represent the state at the national convention. Although this system involves several months, the candidate preferences are essentially determined in the first round of voting. Causing the disenfranchisement of many voters. Handicapped, elderly, shy people, people who do not have a good command of the english language, people who are private and don't want to wear their vote on their sleeve all get disenfranchised by a caucus. Even if these people attended, who would want to be the one seen as racist?

Primaries provide a much longer period of time during the day to cast a ballot, they provide privacy from spouses, neighbors, bosses,etc. Caucus only allow certain hour/hours to caucus, which leave many who cannot get there at that specific time disenfranchised. Primaries are the only real democratic way to select a nominee.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

144. Illinois is next to Idaho?

I think you mean Iowa. Hate to poke holes in your little theory but Obama won decisively among all age groups under 50.

Did Oprah bus Gen Xers in too?

[VotesForWomen]

172. irrelavant to the OP; it wasn't about how whites are voting, it was about how blacks are voting. nt

[geek tragedy]

1. Yes, and that 90-10 split got Bill Clinton elected in 1992 and 1996

Please don't race-bait.

[Kahuna]

148. Right. As long as blacks are voting 90% plus for white candidates..

the way they always do and always have it's a GOOD thing. :eyes:

[ORDagnabbit]

2. so your okay with sex being a determining factor?

[hill08]

6. I am okay with a balanced, honest voting, not the 90 to 10 rage

[skipos]

15. You are right.

We need elections that are as close to 50/50 as possible. Fuck that FDR, LBJ landslide stuff. I want the supreme court to decide all of our elections.

[wndycty]

19. Did it bother you that 90% of Black folks voted for Clinton, Gore and Kennedy?

Answers please.

[VotesForWomen]

173. that vote was based (presumably) on principle, not on the race of the candidate. nt

[EffieBlack]

176. So votes for white candidates are "on principle," votes for black candidates are on race?

On what are you basing this presumption? Is it that difficult for you to believe that a black candidate actually deserves to get more votes than a white candidate and that the only reason that he is getting more votes is because of some form of racial bias that is working in his favor?

Does it work the other way around? Are all those white people who vote for white candidates voting on the basis of race, while the white people who vote for black candidates are voting "on principle?"

[VotesForWomen]

178. there is a big difference between repub and dem principles; there is not that big of a difference be

between hillary and obama for example. if there was a black dem running against a white repug, i think it would be a quite wise and principled decision for blacks to vote for the black dem. there is simply not enough difference between obama and other dem primary candidates to explain the *overwhelming* black vote for obama. i'm not saying that i don't understand it, but it's there.

[fishwax]

179. so when African Americans vote 90-95 percent for Obama in the general election, will that be race

or will that be principle? Is it only based on race when it's going against the candidate of your choice?

[ellisonz]

181. Says "VotesForWomen"

[gmudem]

39. So what would you be comfortable with?

Would it be better if black people voted 70-30? 75-25? 60-40? Please tell us, what is a percentage you are comfortable with?

What a stupid fucking post. People can vote for whoever they want to vote, and just because lately that has not been your candidate doesn't mean you can race-bait.

Also, please explain: Idaho, Colorado, Minnesota, Utah, North Dakota, Connecticut, Kansas, Alaska, Maine, Washington, and Nebraska.

[hill08]

49. what would you say if whites voted for Hillary 90 to 10?

what would you say if women voted 90 to 10 for Hillary? Would it be okay with you ? Would it be cool with you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

It'd say that's a lot of dumb white people.

That's purely hypothetical, of course.

White people voted Obama.

[TwilightGardener]

56. Actually, in SC, Obama WAS predicted to only get 10-20% of the white vote, and yet no one cried.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. In all seriousness...

when votes do split so heavily along racial lines, Occam's Razor says it's racism.

Louisiana was an unfortunate split with a happy outcome.

[TwilightGardener]

74. But Obama accepted the result, same as he accepted the result of women

voting against him in NH--didn't cry racism OR sexism after any primaries.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

78. Right.

Obama's not crying about racism or sexism, contrary to the claims of some.

[hill08]

58. they voted for Obama about 51 to 49 in Maryland, Virginia

[jmg257]

140. HAA! ROTFL!!! nt

[whatchamacallit]

98. What if 90% of women DID vote for Hillary, is that a gift horse you would look in the mouth?

Somehow I don't think so...

[VotesForWomen]

174. no one is going to turn down a vote, but it would take something away from her victory, wouldn't it?

[gmudem]

111. Well there's nothing I can really do about it.

Because we live in a democracy and people are allowed to vote for whoever they damn well please. All this shows is that you're willing to race-bait because Clinton is completely unable to make any inroads into Obama's largest base of support.

[Whisp]

116. well, there are ways to 'balance' things, aren't there?

billy clubs and intimidation.
is that what you mean?

[MadMaddie]

137. Did you say that when * was elected? Seems that was 95 to 5

for White voters.

Seriously....this is ridiculous.

[rodeodance]

27. Obama embodies blackness: Clinton embodies womanness--it is a part

of both of their identies (as is white for clinton and male for obama)

this is play a role for many--some not at all.

[FrenchieCat]

4. And?

Hillary is your candidate, and your slanted way of looking at things are biased.

Hillary will lose the Men's vote in the General Election. Who will you be blaming then? Yourself?

[hill08]

11. with balanced voting, women could offset the male vote

[tridim]

18. Balanced voting? What's that?

Are you trying to redefine Democracy?

[Name removed]

23. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Mags]

44. why do you all have to attack everyone who has a different opinion?They have as much right to

post here as you. And everything said against BO is not racists.

[TwilightGardener]

47. Make a goddamn stupid post, and earn my foot up your ass. That's my policy.

[Mags]

64. Boy, what a threat. You are so tough. Wow

[FrenchieCat]

63. In your mind!

maybe. Yours are assumption not backed up.

And unfortunately for you, the days of "racial" politics, which should have never been, are almost over. As the mother of a daughter dating an Asian young man of voting age, I'm happy to report that his family are nothing like you. They like Barack, irrespective to his race.

But then, this is a family of informed Asians who would have supported Colin Powell, had he decided to run.

[Kahuna]

150. Ohh! "Balanced voting.."...

:crazy:

[NJSecularist]

5. The white female vote that is heavily tilted towards Hillary...

is the reason she was the frontrunner.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

[VotesForWomen]

175. not NEARLY as much as the black vote for obama, in fact O won white women in

some states, didn't he?

[wndycty]

7. Those same Black folks who turned out in the primary will turn out in the General . . .

. . .and help us win some southern states.

How come that 90% didn't concern you when we voted for Clinton, Gore and Kerry? Please answer that.

[TwilightGardener]

20. Dems LOVE getting the black vote...unless a black earns the black vote, apparently.

[wndycty]

28. Exactly the OP and other Clintons supporters are implying its bad for Blacks to vote for Blacks. . .

. . .they just want us to be house n$%&ers and do what they say.

[TwilightGardener]

29. Blacks are not listening to the directive to vote for a Clinton this time. They must be

getting uppity.

[NOLALady]

48. The nerve of them!

:D

[rodeodance]

31. Idiotic ASSumption on your part. Flamebait response is more like it--or are just not thinking?

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28. Exactly the OP and other Clintons supporters are implying its bad for Blacks to vote for Blacks. . .

. . .they just want us to be house n$%&ers and do what they say.

[TwilightGardener]

35. You are not grasping the extremely patronizing tone of this post.

[rodeodance]

53. and I object to the broard brushing approach.

[wndycty]

55. Are you going to answer the question?

Was it bad for Clinton, Gore and Kerry to get 90% of the Black vote? And please explain your answer.

[NJSecularist]

36. Get your head out of your ass!

What he/she said is 100% true, as much as you don't like to hear it.

[rodeodance]

57. i do not like your language.

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36. Get your head out of your ass!

What he/she said is 100% true, as much as you don't like to hear it.

[NJSecularist]

60. Sorry for being harsh, but it's the truth!

[rodeodance]

92. fine---but my response was focused on the 'other clinton' supporters--putting all and

any into the big all.

[wndycty]

66. Hey when some makes a racist statement don't be upset with the language of the response. . .

So was it bad for Clinton, Gore and Kerry to get 90% of the Black vote?

[rodeodance]

91. are you talking to me?? I did not make a racist statement!

[hill08]

113. This split in GE

when 90% of blacks voted for a Democrat was due to ideological reasons, not racial ones and it is a very big difference.

[NOLALady]

118. And you are 100% certain of this because....?

[wndycty]

38. No I call out racism and RACISTS when I see them. . .address the question. . .

. . .where the fuck was your concern when 90% of Black folks voted for Clinton, Gore and Kerry. Tell me why its a problem now? Why is it a problem now?

[rodeodance]

62. I did--

[wndycty]

69. Well cut it and paste it and put it here

:kick:

[rodeodance]

97. do your own work

[my2sense]

125. what wndycty said....

Seems like a fair question. Why is it when blacks vote for blacks it's because of race but when they vote for whites - it's because of the quality of the candidate??

Inquiring minds want to know. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[MadMaddie]

149. So you are claiming that Whites only vote for Whites because

of the Quality of their candidate....bwah..haw..haw..that's funny shit.

Umm..the Republican party votes for White candidates because they are White it sure as hell isn't based on intelligence.

Umm not sure if you noticed but there are generally not that many blacks to vote for in general elections, which means there are only white candidates...sooo if they are all white we have to pick one right?

Your argument is stating that whites think more than blacks.

I am a Black women and I voted for Hillary in the WA caucus..kinda blows your argument out the window.

If Obama is the Democratic candidate I will vote for him because he is our Democratic nominee and because he could win. It has nothing to do with race.

[my2sense]

158. I think we are saying the same thing......

My question is why is it perceived that when blacks vote for other blacks we do so because of race? When whites vote for whites, it is never questioned. It is simply accepted that they are not voting based upon race but upon what they perceive to be the better candidate?

I am black and plan to vote for Obama - not because he's black but because at this point he seems to be the best choice of the two candidates....

I'm a little new on the boards....I hope this is clearer.

[MadMaddie]

170. Well welcome to DU and hold on to your hat because it's

going to be a wild year at DU!!:hi:

Yes you are clear no worries!!

[IsItJustMe]

82. Your making a broad brushed statement. It's not HRC supporters, it's this poster's opinion.

Be fair!!!

[EffieBlack]

89. Exactly - 90% of the black vote for a white candidate means the candidate is WONDERFUL

90% (or anything more than 40-50%) of the black vote for a black candidate means that blacks are idiots who vote in a bloc like mindless sheep.

Apparently, our vote is good enough for them, but our candidates aren't.

[MadMaddie]

141. Hey EffieBlack ain't this some shit?

I have been seeing these kind of posts most of the evening.

No logic to their arugments and when confronted by our Fine DU brothers and sisters they won't even answer the questions.

Apparantly us black folks aren't smart enough to figure out who the best candidate is.

[EffieBlack]

161. Ain't it indeed? When we were voting for Kerry and Clinton in huge numbers

that was testament to how much they connected to all kinds of demographics. But when we vote for Obama, we're just dumb racists.

Wow.

[JackORoses]

8. are you upset that Clinton's large margin in CA was a result of 3 to 1 support from Asians?

[TwilightGardener]

61. No, that was fine, apparently. Asians got it right.

[Renew Deal]

10. All those black people in Maine gave him a 19 point win

:shrug:

[hill08]

26. These losses can be mostly attributed to

Hillary campaign's erroneous strategy, not Hillary being a flawed candidate. I don't know what they were thinking when they had virtually no offices in the states that voted last week after Feb 5.

[Bicoastal]

40. "Attributed to Hillary campaign's erroneous strategy, not Hillary being a flawed candidate?"

For my money, someone who depends on erroenous strategy IS a flawed candidate--and I don't want her in the GE or the White House for that reason.

Obama and his team now how to bring people to his side. It's important.

[Kahuna]

152. Ohhh! You've got all the answers, huh? "erroneous strategy," huh?

What a piece of work. :rofl:

[NorthernSpy]

157. I'm in Maine. We're whiter than Cool Whip, and we choose Obama...

... for our nominee.


And it makes me very, very happy knowing how much that bugs you.

[Lerkfish]

13. racebaiting is getting really tiresome

or don't you realize that?

[Viking12]

71. It is isn't. OP added to ignore. That list is getting long.

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[rodeodance]

16. This author asks some criical questions:

Not necessarily black vote issues---but issues of Obama promises.




Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Obama's first coming
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4540643#4540643
4540643, Obama's first coming
Posted by rodeodance on Mon Feb-11-08 04:55 PM




I think this Oz author raises some valid questions that we should all critically think about.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23182456-28737,00.html

Obama's first coming

Washington correspondent Geoff Elliott | February 09, 2008

IT was early 1994 when Nelson Mandela gave a speech in a slum outside Cape Town and spoke in grand terms of a new beginning and how when he was elected president every household would have a washing machine.

People took him literally. A few months later he became South Africa's first black president. That's when clerks in department stores in Cape Town had to turn people away demanding their free washer and dryer.
.......
How does a cult figure, in the eyes of some something akin to a messiah, make the transition to a political frontrunner - president even - where disappointment will soon crush what seemed to be a journey to a promised land?
Looking into the faces of a more than 16,000-strong crowd in a basketball stadium in Hartford, Connecticut this week, the Mandela magic I'd seen before was there too. Black and white, and the youth; they appeared in a state close to rapture watching Obama speak. Here and there one could see women crying and the some men wiping away tears too.
.......
In the US today there are echoes of that Rainbow Revolution. Through the media and on the streets people are getting a bit giddy over Obama. In this man they are projecting a new course - one that he says he will lead - where the US buries the culture wars, charts a new course in bipartisan politics and heralds a new dawn for America. ......
........
And therein lays the danger for Obama. The Obama shuttle has made it into orbit but at some point he's going to have to land this thing back on Earth.
.........
But the danger remains for Obama in managing the cult-like fervour. Obviously, he's no messiah and lofty expectations of his supporters is something that Obama is also acutely aware of. In stockmarket parlance, Obama's share price is soaring on expected future earnings. Clinton, 20 years in the public eye, is like the industrial conglomerate: steady share price and reliable dividends. Think of Obama as Google and Clinton as General Electric.
.............
"We can do this," he told ecstatic supporters on Tuesday night. "It will not be easy. It will require struggle and sacrifice. There will setbacks and we will make mistakes."
But then Obama, in the next sentence, in attempt to appeal to more voters out there, didn't even mention the Democratic Party but instead his "movement" saying: "I want to speak directly to all those Americans who have yet to join this movement but still hunger for change: we need you. We need you to stand with us, and work with us, and help us prove that together, ordinary people can still do extraordinary things".
.........
In his Super Tuesday speech Obama said "we are the ones we've been waiting for", attempting to make the case the time was now to get some "change" in Washington: a post-partisan world where politicians reach across the aisle for the common good. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different," he said. "It's different not because of me. It's different because of you."
.......
"Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause - other than an amorphous desire for change - the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is."
I hear that too in the voices of Obama's staff constantly, themselves referring to this "cult of Obama".
"Even if he doesn't go all the way, and I'm not being defeatist, I'm so thrilled to be a part of this and see the size of the crowds turning out," one staffer tells me.
.........
. He may well build an unstoppable momentum. And then the giddiness might evaporate and be replaced with something else. In marketing they call it post-purchase disappointment. If he gets the Democratic Party's nomination another test begins anew: how to turn the narrative which is all about striving for what is possible, to one where people are suddenly asking how are you actually going to do it?

[wndycty]

24. Is it a concern when 90% of the Black vote goes to white candidates like Clinton, Gore and Kerry?

Or are you only concerned when we Black folks vote for other Black folks. . .answer please.

[VotesForWomen]

177. that vote was based (presumably) on principle, not on the race of the candidate. there

isn't enough difference in principles and policies between obama and the other candidates to explain the overwhelming black vote. the most likely conclusion is that they are voting based on race.

[Thrill]

17. This is a stupid thread

He has wins all over different demographics.

[Caseman]

21. I heard Asians can't say their L's...

...Race-baiting is fun!

[thoughtcrime1984]

22. DUzy?

:popcorn:

[H2O Man]

25. Yikes!

What do they WANT?????????

[NOLALady]

30. You expect a backlash against blacks?

Imagine that.

Was there a backlash when Kerry lost?

[knowledgeispwr]

117. Maybe the OP is saying HE will blame blacks

if Obama is the candidate and he loses. :shrug:

the OP is offensive and is just the latest in a pattern of people negatively scrutinizing the black vote because this time it's going mostly to a black candidate.

[SteppingRazor]

32. Why "when Obama loses," and not "if"?

You're really that sure that a candidate who has demonstrated an ability to draw in independents and moderates -- a bloc McCain has to rely on given how he's loathed by the right -- will lose to McCain? I think Obama has the best chance to beat McCain of either of our two candidates. Hell, if the general election plays out the right way, it'll be an absolute blowout.

[Alexander]

51. I think the OP wants Obama to lose if Hillary isn't nominated.

These Shillbots are a vindictive bunch.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

33. I'm torn.

Is this thread stupid or sad? Maybe it's both. Or it could be satire, who knows at this point.

[Binka]

76. It Is Fucking Both

It needs to be locked IMHO.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

90. I think they should leave it. I'm curious to see who agrees with this crazy ass post . n/t

[TheDonkey]

41. Black peoploe do not count. Sorry didn't get the memo!!!

Didn't know that black people voting didn't count sorry. Get lost.

[knowledgeispwr]

We only count if we vote for the *right* candidate

otherwise we're stupid sheep.

[jackson_dem]

45. It won't be an issue in Texas and not a big one in Ohio and Pennsylvania

Latino support for Hillary will more than offset Obama's 85-15 advantage with blacks in Texas (Latinos are 35% of the population, blacks 10 or 11%) and there aren't enough in Ohio and Pennsylvania to push him across the finish line if he loses white by 13 points again like he did in Maryland (while winning overall by 25 points due to an 84-15 margin with blacks). You, while having a racist tinge to your post, make a valid point about the results so far. Obama loses the white vote far more often than people realize because it is hidden by, on average, a 17-3 advantage he gets among blacks. In the general blacks will be 10% of the vote, not 20% like in the Democratic primaries.

[theboss]

52. And where would Clinton, Gore, and Kerry have been without the black vote?

Should we give it back because it's unfair to Republicans?

[jackson_dem]

79. The only Democrat to win the white vote since LBJ is Clinton in 1996

Without blacks he never would have been president in the first place so there wouldn't have been a 1996. African-Americans are a vital part of our coalition. I was simply offering political analysis. Texas will not be a replay of Maryland and Ohio isn't Virginia, Pennsylvania isn't South Carolina.

[theboss]

121. And Delaware isn't Virginia which isn't Washington which isn't Maryland which isn't Illinois

Here is something to chew on: Outside of OK, Hillary has only won states where Bill won overwhelming majorities in the '90s.

[NOLALady]

75. Does this mean if Hillary loses to McCain

we can blame and backlash the selfish Latinos?

[Hav]

102. .

No, but apparently you should be prepared for the backlash against women because they dared to hope for a female President.

[NOLALady]

114. As a black woman, I might as well prepare for the backlash.

Either way, I'm SOL.

[adabfree]

122. As a black woman...I too better prepare myself..

Lawd lawd lawd whats us poor colored folks gone do?

[Kahuna]

153. There are a lot of black posters on this thread and on DU.. We're Everywhere!!!

Run for your lives!!!! Run for your lives!!! :rolf:

[Kahuna]

154. There are a lot of black posters on this thread and on DU.. We're Everywhere!!!

Run for your lives!!!! Run for your lives!!! :rofl:

[theboss]

50. So, should Republicans get 40 percent of the black vote?

Or is it ok in the general?

[TwilightGardener]

80. Good question.

[NashVegas]

54. Please, Just Give It Up. You Aren't Very Good At It

You tried this two days ago.

Alerting.

[NOLALady]

59. Will there be a backlash against the selfish white voters

who voted for him?

[Island Blue]

65. Just when you think you've read

the most mind boggling post ever on DU ... someone else comes along to prove you wrong. Wow.

Unbelievable. :rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

67. So, explain Iowa? Idaho? Kansas?

[TwilightGardener]

85. Those didn't count, because the "latte liberal"/leisure class vote went 90-10 to Obama.

[Occam Bandage]

88. And he won Virginia because of the sub-$50,000 leisure class.

[apocalypsehow]

73. Your "concern" is noted. n/t

[thereismore]

77. Luckily, in this country, once a black vote is cast, you can't tell it was black. nt

[elizm]

81. Yet another stupid post. nt

[RoadRage]

83. Umm.. us here in Nebraska voted him in 68% - and we're as white as it gets...

[knowledgeispwr]

108. THANK YOU!

Why is it an issue when blacks vote mostly for a black candidate?
Blacks have voted 85-90%+ for white dems all the time, like Gore and Kerry, and it hasn't been a problem. Why?


Al Sharpton and Carol Mosely Braun (two black people) have run in the dem presidential primaries in recent years and didn't wrap up the black vote. They usually got negligible percentages.

[adabfree]

124. shame on you Nebraskans...voting for a black man..lol

whatever were you guys thinking...

[RoadRage]

162. I know.. leave it to us huskers to put race aside and vote for the best candidate..

regardless of skin color. Ehh.. nevermind, i'm sure that it has nothing to do with us not being racist, and everything to do with us all being sexist. We couldn't possibly just choose to vote for the guy who actually took the time to show up to our "to small to count" state and campaign a bit.

[Maribelle]

84. Obama will not lose to McCain. McCain will lose to Hillary.

And Hillary is extremely forgiving.

[EffieBlack]

86. "Backlash against blacks when Obama loses" Are you SERIOUS?

Why would there be any "backlash against blacks" if Obama loses?

What kind of "backlash" are you talking about? Would we be dragged from our homes and beaten? Or would the 15th Amendment be repealed? Or are you imagining some other "punishment" would be inflicted upon a race of people because someone who happens to be of the same race runs for president and doesn't win - a "punishment" that clearly has never been applied to white folks any of the 100 or so times that a white presidential candidate didn't win an election.

Why don't you run along and spew this race-baiting crap somewhere else.

[NJObamaWoman]

87. Yes Black People Are To Blame!

Thanks for saying it. As a black woman I'm thrilled people are saying this because it makes me realize how freaking happy I feel to support Obama. If he becomes president I will be dancing on every doubter, every people who says that Obama if he lose will keep blacks down therefore Obama should just quit, every person who blames blacks for this election etc. Mr or Mrs. Asian why don't you look at how offensive the Clinton campaign have been to blacks right during the SC primary. If the Clinton's would have been respectful of the black community I think those numbers would favor HRC. Maybe your race if the flavor of the moment but some of us black folks are thinking deeper now at how the Clintons what to race bait.

Why the fuck would I or any black person want to vote for a person whose campaign pollster said that part of HRC support base i.e. Latinos WONT vote for a black person. Do you get how freaking offensive that mess was? Do you understand damnit? I'm tired of Americans not respecting black people. I don't care who the hell you are but my black people are the ones who worked their ass off to build up this damn country. Our women were RAPED and forced to work hard labor. Our Men were castraded, killed, etc in this country. To this day people discrimate and treat many of my people bad.

As a black woman I'm angry by your post. I want to say curse words to you but I'm trying to be polite.

Blacks aren't to blame in this election in terms of the dem party. Maybe if HRC and BC would have done more for the REAL people of our community instead of business and committee heads like Julian Bond, Bob Johnson etc then we would support them.

But your right we are to blame. We are to blame for not being stupid and thinking PAST the damn 90's and not listening to Masta like other cultures might want to do. I'm glad Obama is showing us to be independent and proud of our culture. That he doesn't just want to talk about helping Americans and African americans but is about doing something. That is something the Clintons never did for my community IMHO.

[EffieBlack]

93. You GO!

I'm right there with you (except for the HRC and BC not doing anything for real people part - I think they did - but that's beside the point)

Excellent post.

[NJObamaWoman]

101. Thanks Effie. I know my reply sounded so hectic but I was angry.

Racism makes me angry and I'm tired of people dumping on Black people. We aren't the cause of everything wrong in this world. Yet know we are going to be blamed for the Dems not getting into the White House. Oh please as if. If this race baiting mess continues than I'm seriously leaving the Dem party to become an independent. I don't want want to participate in a party that accepts this mess.

[EffieBlack]

128. But if Obama loses, it will be the first time EVER that a Democrat lost an election

And since he's black and he's the only one who's black, he obviously lost because he's black.

Get it?

:sarcasm:

[my2sense]

129. cosign n/t I was aboad the Hillary train until S/C

[wndycty]

135. Oh no she didn't!

LOL

:kick:

[stahbrett]

95. So your implication is that the black voters are voting for the wrong person because of skin color

Maybe they're just more likely to not discount his skin color, and they are therefore better able to see how much better of a candidate he is over Clinton.

[EffieBlack]

130. Excellent point!

You're showing up the consistently biased point of view we see throughout our society - anything that the white majority does is the norm and anything that deviates from that mean is suspect. If a black candidate gets a larger proportion of the black vote than of the white vote, it MUST be because the black voters are voting for the wrong reasons since the white voting patterns are, of course, perfectly normal.

[Danger Mouse]

96. Backlash against black?

Wow, racist much?
:puke:
This is without a doubt, one of the more repulsive posts to come out of hillary supporters in recent memory.

[Neecy]

99. This is bullshit

Racist crap.

I'll just add that I phonebanked for Obama with a group of women, all in their 40's and 50's, a couple of weeks ago. About half were African American. We all were chatting before our lists came down and the black women there were really torn. They expressed how much they loved the Clintons and how ready they were to support Hillary - until the "Jesse Jackson" comment. Hurt and offended? You bet. Before you blame the black community I suggest you put a lot of the blame for your candidate tanking
exactly where it belongs - on Bill Clinton.

[knowledgeispwr]

112. Thank you!

People kept downplaying the odd comments that came out of the Clinton campaign and their surrogates and the effect it would have on some blacks. Some blacks on DU (including me) have even said so, but we're often dismissed.

Blacks have been one of the most (negatively) scrutinized voting demographic this primary season, because voting in large numbers for a black candidate seems to be a problem all of a sudden.

[Neecy]

127. It shouldn't be dismissed

It was truly an anguished decision for many women there. The black women were more than willing to give their support to the non-black candidate until they were insulted and offended by Bill Clinton. And even then it wasn't a decision that was made lightly. For the OP to be somehow claiming that blacks are voting for Obama simply because of his race is overlooking Bill's blatantly racist comment - and the fact that he very likely lost Hillary the nomination. You're absolutely right about the impact of his comment.

[ButterflyBlood]

103. OK, let's just repeal the Voting Rights Act

Would that make you happy?

[Johnny__Motown]

104. Nebraska and Washington State ? I don't think so.

[knowledgeispwr]

105. What about the large margins in states with few blacks?

Washington, Idaho, North Dakota, Minnesota, Kansas, Alaska, just to name a few?

What about when blacks have gone 90%+ for white democratic candidates?

What's a "good" margin? What determines that?

You have yet to answer these questions, although others have asked them.

[davidwparker]

106. "uncomfortable knowing that Obama's race" - this seems to be an issue

only to Hillary supporters. Yesterday, I saw a lot of white faces at the poll that I went to in Virginia. As you can (painfully) see, Obama won VA in a landslide.

The exit polls in VA -- in which I participated -- showed that Obama was pulling from all demographics in VA.

I voted for Obama and I'm a middle-aged white guy. :hi:

[snooper2]

107. Feb 6th...

all ya need to know

[endarkenment]

109. Obama is black? Who knew?

Thanks for sharing.

[Kittycat]

110. Give it up.

Just for once I wish some of the HRC surrogates would learn to have a some class, congratulate, and move on to the next race. Of course in speaking of class... They take their marching orders from the queen herself.

[noamnety]

115. And the other 43 presidents we've had?

You feel a little uncomfortable knowing that their race was a determining factor? Or are you pretty comfy with that - just not so much when they're there because of the wrong race?

You still pissed off JKF got elected cause he's white?

[TheDonkey]

119. You are more insane than I thought by re-reading this post. Backlash of blacks... selfish desire

WOW

[Arugula Latte]

120. This post is ridiculous.

Others have outlined why it is ridiculous, so I'll just add: :banghead:

[ecstatic]

123. If I was basing my vote on what supporters of each candidate said on DU...

Hillary would have just lost my vote forever due to your bigoted, stupid post.

[adabfree]

126. Wow...

Well, whats us poor, mindless black folk suppose to do now...and after the backlash..

[CreekDog]

131. Uncomfortable that Hillary is trying to use her advantage among Hispanics in Texas to win?

just wondering.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

132. Why do you think Hillary doesn't get 90 to 10 of the white vote?

I'm just curious, what do you think that means?

I don't think you'll ever see a "backlash" against blacks, ok? Because, that would be called racism!

Also, where's the backlash against the evangelists for helping Bush get reelected?

Oh, how are you liking the new posting rules?

[goodhue]

133. What about Washington, Minnesota, Idaho, Nebraska, North Dakota, Maine etc

Huge margins, mostly white votes

[HCE SuiGeneris]

134. Link?

:shrug:

[MadMaddie]

136. I don't even know where to start....

Maybe just maybe blacks don't feel intimidated to come out and vote like they were with the last election. Maybe blacks feel like their votes count.

But posters like you keep missing the point...you didn't note the youth vote 18 - 30 year olds. This group is huge and it's broad mixture of groups.

Everyone knew the race card was coming this is a weak argument.

People like you complain that when there is a low turnout of black voters that they are apathetic and they have no right to complain. Then when the black vote does come out you play the race card and say stupid shit like "They are voting for their own".

Do you say that when the white voters voted for * in the last two elections? Do you say that when Whites vote for Hillary or even the Republican candidates?

Race baiting at it's best.

[loveangelc]

138. stupidest. post. ever.

[johnnydrama]

139. MJ

I think Michael Jackson should use Barack's makeup person, because I'm assuming last January, when Hillary lead 53-27 amongst black voters, Obama must have been white.

[mckeown1128]

142. I am sure that the fact that Obama...

one seniors, hispanics, white men, woman, those younger than 64, rich, poor, and educated voters helped contribute to Obama's large margins of victory.

He also large margins in Nebraska and Washington but there are not very much AA there.

[jmg257]

143. Can you imagine when Obama wins in November and we can get past ALL this type of bullshit? nt

[Kahuna]

145. Sad you see it that way, when blacks vote 90% plus for non black

candidates all the time I bet you don't have a problem with that. Why now?

[rufus dog]

147. what the fuck!

What kind of BS is this. She is a woman, can she not claim the women vote? What about the Black % for previous Dem winners. Should we segregate other race?

Finally, why can't your people drive? Your piss poor driving causes accidents and makes me late to work some days. When is your selfish desire to drive going to understand the impact that your peoples piss poor driving impacts me? GET IT!

[my3boyz]

151. Mmmmmmmmmmm...I don't think so

I live near two areas predominately white and Obama won with over 60% of the vote. He did not win just the black vote. He won across the board (older people, younger people, white,women,latino,voters that make under 50,000 and voters taht make over 100,000).

[Starbucks Anarchist]

155. Maybe we should have their votes count as 3/5 of a white person's vote.

:sarcasm:

[mohc]

167. Perfect response to this nonsense thread n/t

[NorthernSpy]

156. What kind of "backlash" are you threatening, Hill08..

Just what are you all planning on doing to the "selfish blacks".

[Tatiana]

159. Here's a better question: What did Hillary do to blow her lead with African-American voters?

As recently as November 2007, Clinton http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=3932795&page=1">still held a national lead among African-American voters.

Black voters are one of Obama's most loyal groups, according to a November ABC News poll. However, he still trails Clinton nationally among black Democratic likely voters; she has 47 percent support and he has 39 percent.

So my question is, what happened? Perhaps African-Americans, like white males, and blue-collar workers are hearing Obama and reversing their position in migrating towards the better candidate.

[The Ghost]

160. EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES

its one excuse after another. if HRC cant win any of these demographics or a caucus its not cause of 'the blacks' or 'the caucuses', its cause HRC is NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE. And if she cant get it done in a campaign, then she doesnt deserve the White House. Jesus, Im sick of the EXCUSES.

[angie_love]

163. Well I am a half asian female, and I think your post is bullshit.

"Can you imagine the backlash against blacks when Obama loses to McCain in November and everyone will realize that this selfish desire to put the first black president in the White House caused the 3rd Bush term."

PLEASE, I won't even comment on this, its just that fucking stupid.

[Onlooker]

164. the black vote will be a determining factor in the general election too

Something like 90% of blacks for the Democrats. Will you be uncomfortable with that in the GE? Victims of discrimination generally have a certain amount of solidarity. That's why Clinton generally leads with woman. That's why Jewish candidates do well in Jewish areas; Irish candidates do well in Irish areas; and I bet Asian candidates do well in Asian areas. The fact that Obama is winning such a large percentage of blacks not only attests to their ability to identify with him, but also because he's a very talented candidate.

[Bucky]

165. Thanks for the reminder that black votes don't count.

God, sometimes those people just act like they own this government. The nerve!

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

168. the funny thing is, African American votes count as much as white votes nowadays.

If you really don't want race to be the determining factor in an election, then don't make it the determining factor in your analysis either. Break down Obama's support to blame another huge chunk of supporters for him should he lose, like the anti-war crowd or the under 30 crowd or the college-educated crowd.
Or, maybe it's actually better for you to keep reminding people of his race for some reason.

[EffieBlack]

171. Don't you love how folks complain about the race issue

but are obsessed with analyzing how black voters vote?

The media is the biggest culprit. They poll on race, they have panel discussions about race, they analyze black voters, they stick microphones and notepads in the faces of black women and ask, "Are you voting your race or your gender?!" And then they turn around and accuse the Clintons of injecting race into the campaign and criticize Obama for making the campaign about race, etc.

It's absolutely amazing!

[Perky]

169. I sura am glad you can only post three times a day in here.