I will not vote for any Remocrat. Obama is the head of the new Remocrat Party!

[flordehinojos]

[truedelphi]

1. Ssh! if you start a thread like that you will wake up all the sleeping

Election bots who start in saying, "But no matter who is the chosen Democratic candidate- you'll vote for them won't you?

[Bucky]

21. I am not a "sleeping election bot"!

I'm a dormant election zombie slowly reanimating and clawing my way out of the grave....

EAT BRAINS! EAT BRAINS! DEMAND DECLARATIONS OF PARTY LOYALTY! EAT MORE BRAINS!!

[mckeown1128]

37. LOL

:spray:

[zabet]

2. That's 'Remocratic Party'.

Wouldn't want to offend
anyone now, would you?

[Orangepeel]

61. Ha!

:D

Thanks for the laugh on such a bullshit thread!

[Cadwallader]

3. insert Hillary supporter slur here

this space left blank to accomodate Hillary's supporters

[TheDonkey]

4. It's the Obamacan Party to you. Or Obamacratic.

[Bucky]

8. The difference between the Obamacan and Remocrat Parties is....

The color of our kool aid.

Oh, Yeah!!

[libbygurl]

5. And this site is now Remocratic Underground !

Heh! Thanks for the laughs, fdh! Luv ya!

:kick: :hi:

[SoFlaJet]

6. hey vote for whoever you want to

John McCain needs your support-you should send HIM a check and then post a thread about "how good it feels"

[still_one]

44. All anyone has to do with half a brain is look at his voting record, it ain't republican

that is for sure

and I will even say on most social issues neither is Hillary

so what the hell is the OP talking about except just to try to flame

One thing it won't do, assuming he is a Hillary supporter, is convience people to vote for Hillary.

The OP better have a better argument than what he is suggesting

[miceelf]

74. don't be too harsh

They're just upset about the possibility that we may have a nominee who has a chance to win with more than 52% of the popular vote.

The purity test requires that we not solicit the votes of anyone who has ever voted republican, ever. So if Obama appeals to some people who voted for Reagan, then he MUST be a closet republican. Because we don't want those votes. That's why no one celebrated when Jim Webb won Virginia. We don't want ex-republicans. We want a pure unadulterated losing party.

[miceelf]

75. dupe

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. Hey McCain has our zombie support and he likes it!

[Bucky]

7. After reading your post, I felt this furrowing up my leg.

It was torture!

[Guava Jelly]

9. Do you believe in creation or evolution?

We can evolve without losing our core principles and beliefs.
Don't fear change..Nurse it and teach it and point it in the right (or left) direction.
Be a good parent..

[DemGa]

10. It's the "movement"...The Movement Party.....nt

[Bucky]

19. All hail the Movement! All bow to the Movement!

Ooooh, I think I felt the Movement. It felt like a furrowing running up my leg.

[onenote]

11. So you'd rather see the Republican candidate win thatn the "Remocrat"?

If Obama gets the nomination, the next president is either going to be Obama or McCain. Period. So you can either work to defeat McCain by voting for Obama or you can indirectly support McCain's election by not voting for Obama. Soory, but there is no inbetween choice.

So ask yourself: do you want to defeat the candidate that will be endorsed by chimpy and cheney or do you want that candidate defeated?

If McCain is elected, will you care if it means that more Americans die in Iraq than would have had Obama been elected? Will you care if during a McCain presidency, he appoints to the Supreme Court a justice that casts the deciding vote to overturn Roe v Wade?

If you can in good conscience say you don't care about such things, then I guess you're going to do them. I for one will vote for, and vigorously work for, the election of either Clinton or Obama.

[ClericJohnPreston]

22. Do you Obamites

exist purely on a diet of STRAW MEN?????

Could you be any more hyperbolic and absolutely juvenile in your simplistic approach to comprehending those who merely disagree with your fanaticism?

[onenote]

40. if you actually have an argument, why don't make it.

I don't see one in your post. Is there some alternative to either the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate winning in 2008? If not, failure to work for the defeat of one indirectly assists in his election. Its not a straw man. Its reality. I can't help it if you don't like it.

And in case you hadn't noticed, I said I'm voting for the Democratic candidate, whether its Obama or Clinton. If that makes me an "Obamite" so be it. Being for no Democratic candidate makes you a nothing.

[ClericJohnPreston]

46. Your premise

was that one would rather a Republican win, if they didn't like Obama. It was stated as a proof.

Unfortunately, life is nuanced. I can't stand Obama, as anyone with an inquiring mind would probably agree. Shallow, inexperienced, shielded from scrutiny and able to manipulate the neophyte voters with nothing more than teleprompter fluff.

That said, I still don't want to see a Rethug win. I'm just tired of all the absurd contortions most Obamites ( not you ) go to in order to posit ridiculous cause and effect questions or pronouncements.

[tabasco]

47. Sgs w/ Ds.

PATHETIC!

[ClericJohnPreston]

50. mindless retort

Thanks for proving my point. I'm an Edwards man, trained, as he was by Trial law, to be a critical thinker.

Critical thinking is the thing that wouldn't occur to an Obamite....

[Binka]

87. Edwards Is A Gracious Man YOU Are A Serial Bully

You showed up here five weeks ago and you have been arrogant, pushy, belligerent, haughty, bombastic, bellicose, and RUDE, please get over yourself. Welcome to ignore I will not tolerate such narcissistic bullshit from a newby.

[onenote]

48. My premise is that someone who won't vote for the Democratic nominee (e.g, the OP)

because that nominee isn't "pure" enough for them, is indirectly helping the republican nominee (who by definition is even less "pure" in terms of the ideals of most Democrats)win. And I stick by that premise.

[ClericJohnPreston]

51. Sorry

but no issue is ever all or nothing. That applies to gambling, not life. Life is nuanced, full of shades and greys...except to zealots and true believers!

[onenote]

52. actually, elections are all or nothing.

Someone wins. Someone loses.

[flordehinojos]

63. you are darn tootin right. i am not voting for no remocrat. if that helps a republican, much as i

despise them and what they do to our country, so be it. there is not that much difference between this now here running for office remocrat and the republican themselves. obama: wolf in sheeps clothing. just watch the incompetence come out after he is elected. right now he is being shored up by the genuflecting main stream media.

[verges]

89. You're right...

They are VERY similar.

Obama: withdraw from Iraq in 16 months.
McCain: stay in Iraq 100 yrs if necessary.

This similarity alone is a difference of thousands of lives and Billions (if not trillions) of dollars.


Obama: progress on health care (Okay, his plan is far from perfect. But it's better than nothing.)
McCain: nothing on health care.

With this similarity, the number of uninsured will likely go up to 100m during this republican presidency.

Obama: Much more likely to put left of center appointments on the Supreme Court.
McCain: More likely to put RW idealogues like Scalia, Alito, and Roberts on the bench.

With this similarity, Roe v. Wade, under a Republican administration is a goner. With one definite appointment, and probably more, the SCOTU will go right wing for the next 30 years.

Yup. Exactly alike.

[verges]

88. I'm not an Obamite...

I really haven't decided yet; and I have a couple more weeks to do so. I was hoping Gore would run; I liked Kucinich's message; I was planning on voting for Edwards. All gone. I've got a few quibbles with both Hillary and Obama. But I feel either would be an acceptable President, and they're what we got. McCain would not be acceptable.

I agree that it is vitally important to get behind whichever candidate we nominate. And a non-vote for the Dem nominee is a vote for McCain.

[flordehinojos]

24. i will not vote for any Remocrat.

[Flabbergasted]

12. Definition: Remocrat....

A Republican, who because of "Dub-ya" became a Democrat

My family which has been Republican since there was a such thing as a Republican is now Democratic

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Remocrat


Remocrat is actually a trade mark already. So you'll need to come up with another name...

http://www.remocrat.com/

[HughMoran]

13. I've heard of Republocrats, but not Remocrats...

What's a Remocrat?

[Bucky]

15. I think it's a play on the verb "to reem"

As in to lingually stimulate another person's anal sphincter. Why this describes moderate Democrats is beyond me.

[backscatter712]

14. This paranoia needs to stop.

Obama is not selling us out.

He's not triangulating.

He's not pulling a Lieberman.

He's expanding our audience.

Contrary to popular belief, there are a lot of decent people who are fleeing or thinking of fleeing the Republican Party, because they're waking up and realizing that they've been lied to and screwed.

With some convincing, we can bring some of them in as progressives.

The paranoia bugs me. Really disturbs me. George W. Bush's most insidious accomplishment in his nefarious presidency was to create the worst division between Americans since the Civil War. We're paranoid, huddling in our armed camps, flinging poo at each other, completely refusing to even have a civil discussion, demonizing and dehumanizing Them.

This needs to stop. Obama understands this.

We need to start remembering that before we are Democrats or Republicans, we're Americans.

[Bucky]

17. Amen! Bravo!!

I will give you one small caveat... just because someone writes effectively and then posts on DU doesn't mean that his/her voice is representative of the party's concerns. We tend to give more credence to ideas once they're written down than we would if we just heard some crazy person ranting the same words on the street.

No serious Clinton supporter would think that Obama is planning to secretly sell out the party's agenda. Anyone expressing that idea is almost by definition a loony, or at least temporarily hysterical. The same applies to Obama supporters on this board who call Clinton a corporate shill or a DINO or any other thoughtless insult. Such people are not behaving themselves and would either shape up or get ignored in polite society.

Not that there's no differences, but you'd have to be blind to think the two candidates would offer radically different policies.

Still, your words are welcome medicine here. I'm a Democrat because I want the best for my country. I trust democracy and I'm convinced the democratic process will give us the best candidate this year.

[backscatter712]

85. I know what you mean.

I wonder how many of the people flinging poo here are really Obama or Clinton supporters rather than Freepers or paid Rove shills here to stir the shit, again with the objective of keeping us divided.

Don't fall for it.

[Cha]

23. Excellent post..

thank you..

[ShortnFiery]

16. I don't think you need to start a thread about this flordehinojos? We know your preferences.

:shrug: :(

[flordehinojos]

25. is this not a democracy which holds in its sacred constitution that ammendment called freedom of

speech. and just as i am by the rights given to me in the constitution free to express my opinion, you are free to hit the ignore button.

[anigbrowl]

49. No, this is just an internet message board called DU...

...where anyone can call you out if they perceive you to be talking nonsense.

I really wish all the 'I will not vote for _________ if they get the nomination' would get into a single thread and scream at each other. It's so pathetic.

[libbygurl]

36. What, you wanna censor her now? That's her choice to post this here, now. nt

[rodeodance]

38. Let the OP talk--why are trying to hush her/him?

[ecstatic]

18. Don't you mean Remocratic...

hmm... the gig is up

[Ian_rd]

20. Where is this new "Obama is a Republican-Democrat" meme coming from?

What positions of his are toward the right? Thanks.

[Reterr]

26. Eh-I will vote for the Dem nominee whoever it is

I will just be a lot less enthusiastic if it is Obama. I am hoping Hillary manages to make it though.

[babylonsister]

27. Grow the fuck up already. What a dumb post. nt

[flordehinojos]

29. must have really stepped on your corn.

[babylonsister]

31. My corn? No, but your motives and ignorance are showing. If you have

a legitimate gripe, spell it out. You sound like a 2-year old with your name calling. Guess Obama's success must be getting to you! :evilgrin:

[flordehinojos]

34. neither ignorant nor two year old and calling obama a remocrat is closer to the truth than you are

willing to admit.

[still_one]

45. I agree /nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. I want to hear you say it out loud. You'll vote for McCain over Obama. Say it out loud.

I'd love to hear it. Repeat it to yourself ten times. A hundred, nay, a thousand times.

"I will vote for McCain before I will vote for Obama." Say it.

I plan on voting for whomever we as a party choose to hold forth as our candidate. Considering the alternative, which is your way, I think it's the only smart thing to do. Without doubt, BOTH Democratic candidates for the nomination are worlds better than McCain. It pains me that you think otherwise.

[flordehinojos]

30. it is possible that the world needs more of you than it needs of me. however. i stand my ground.

and as i say that ... i can't help thinking that the buckle to bush's wishes congress bears in part the blame for all the troubles we are in today.

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. To be sure. But having the Democratic Party in control of the Executive Branch is paramount.

Nothing is more important than achieving that goal. Personally, I don't see how you can argue that point. I don't care who the Democratic nominee is, I'll vote for that person.

Put aside the bullcrap and admit that you will be doing the same, because I don't believe for a minute that you won't.

[flordehinojos]

39. then you don't know me. i stand on my principle. i will not vote for a remocrat. and in this case

obama is a remocrat. (and on principle i've not returned to miami since the elian gonzalez saga. i considered that what was done to that boy was highly destructive to the boy, that the cuban-americans there were highly ignorant and letting their passions take over their reasoning and i decided, much as i loved/love miami not to go back and i have not).

obama is much too much like bush for me to vote for him... Democratic Control of the Executive Branch. Not through Obama it will not get there.

[Renew Deal]

32. Your post is restupid.

:dunce:

[flordehinojos]

35. and you must really like it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. I think there's another new party emerging: The Waaaaahmocrats. nt

[Danger Mouse]

59. recommended!

:hi:

[still_one]

42. Well, if that is your assessment, if you are truely fair you won't vote for Hillary either

otherwise, this is just more partisan bull

Look at Barrack's voting record, and please tell me where it represents a republican agenda?

[HeraldSquare212]

43. But Bill Clinton's the charter member. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

53. This coming from somebody who critized the emotional state of Obama's nostrils.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4494958

Sorry, but after that one I have to conclude you're just hopelessly silly. "Remocrats." Jesus on a Triscuit!

[flordehinojos]

64. you bet. i said it then, and i'll say it again!

nostrils breathing scornful air down hillary's neck. how so arrogant a man though you do not see it yet.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

69. You are really silly.

That's just about the dumbest thing I think I've ever seen on DU.

Jeezus.

Arrogant, too.

[flordehinojos]

73. obama's nostrils seem to have really gotten to you, haven't they?

if not why would you even bother to post on a comment i made?

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. K&R

[D-Sooner]

56. My bet is that you will vote for him.

Call it a hunch.

[flordehinojos]

65. failed hunch. i guarantee.

[Thrill]

57. Well vote for McCain

and watch your kids be drafted

[flordehinojos]

66. won't do that either ... but vote for obam and yours will.

[verges]

90. ?

How do you figure?

[JVS]

58. Ralph Nader called. He wants his meme back.

[Danger Mouse]

60. Welcome to DU, Ralph Nader.

:hi:

[Midlodemocrat]

62. Doesn't your grandchild need his diaper changed?

:eyes:

[flordehinojos]

68. whatever you are smelling doesn't come from my grandchild ...

it may come from the putrid manipulation of obama genuflection that is going on around these days.

[Warren Stupidity]

67. How about we have two good candidates left in the race?

One of whom is likely to wrap up the nomination in the next two weeks, and either of whom we should of course support in the general election. How about that?

[flordehinojos]

70. you go ahead supporting your remocrat. i don't now and i won't. then.

[Warren Stupidity]

71. You need to grow up. In fact, how old are you?

In my voting life time I had the opportunity exactly once, in 1972, to vote for a Democratic presidential candidate that I fully supported. I started this season with Kucinich, moved on to Edwards, and have ended up with Obama. Had Clinton been able to win over the last few weeks, I would be prepared to support her presidential campaign. That is the way it is. Our system is flawed and we end up with a choice of compromised candidates. Grow the fuck up.

[flordehinojos]

72. thank you very much for your last and very inappropriate line.

it tells me that my position has really hit a nerve with you and it shows that you are quite grown up and mature. and just because the obamas can attack hillary clinton, say what they want about her, but if she says anything about them they accuse her of being a racist, just because the remocrat is not, with the help of the media and unthinking americans playing fairly ... i will not vote for a man who is a media sound bite creation. however, you: go right ahead.

[Binka]

93. Is English your second language? Because this was making my eyes bleed.

Wow, what a screed. Got some meds to help you with this problem? Nothing you say has hit a nerve, most of us brave enough to wander through your convoluted tripe are just asking :wtf: You are a sad, pathetic, tedious person with no fucking life. Rem this up your ass. Remocrat indeed.

[Meshuga]

76. What makes Obama a "Remocrat" and Hillary not a "Remocrat"?

What is a "Remocrat"? Give us examples of what makes a candidate a Remocrat.

Is it just because you dislike him? What is the logic behind calling Obama a "Remocrat"?

[flordehinojos]

78. Mr. Wiggles, Obama speaks with Republican Talking Points. Many Republicans,as he himself said, lower

their voices in whispers telling him they'll vote for him ... many republicans will vote for him just to knock hillary out of the race ... poppy bush promised as much in not so many words. Hillary is a tried and true democrat who has been working for children, women's rights and people of all colors for the last thirty five years ... she sees people, Mr. Wiggles, not colors... Hillary's record speaks to the fact ...

And, as Erica Jong, an American poet and novelist says about Obama,

"the truth is, we have no idea what he stands for. At least I don't. All we have are soundbites and attacks on "the" Clintons."

[Independent-Voter]

77. Great idea! Cut off your nose despite your face.

If there was any doubt about why a fair amount of independents think the democrats are fucking idiots, the OP just summed it up for you.

Look, after 8 years of Bush, you guys should be able to be able to run a retarded 3-legged dead donkey and win the presidency and you're still fucking it up. What the hell is wrong with you people?

[flordehinojos]

80. using your words ...

it is not we who are "still fucking it up" ... i posit that it is others who are.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

79. Remocrat must equal anti-war, thus I must equal Remocrat.

hmmmmm.....I have a lot of thinking to do now.

[ProSense]

81. A closer look reveals:

Bill Clinton: John McCain and Hillary are 'very close'

[flordehinojos]

82. isn't it wonderful to have a woman president who can work across the isle and get things

like universal health care or the beginnings of it done? and, what competent rebuttal has the obama camp offered to hillary or any of her work on behalf of people other than to attack clinton?

[Iceburg]

83. Are they as close as this...

[flordehinojos]

84. good picture!

nice rebuttal. thank you.

[JTFrog]

86. Propagandists tend to rear their ugly heads in every government. You steal your tactics from

a list of very interesting historical figures.

[Leopolds Ghost]

91. Remo Williams ("The Adventure Begins") has endorsed Obama?

[mzmolly]

92. How is Obama a so called "Remocrat"?

:hi:

[Kitty Herder]

94. As opposed to the Clintons who created it? nt

[Vinca]

95. Then you're enabling war. nt

[bigtree]

96. I read through this thread to see what you really meant. I agree with all but refusing our nominee

If you hate the cozying up to republicans, you will really hate another *term of republicanism in the WH. I really don't believe Obama when he says he'll 'work with republicans.' For one thing, the present pack are lying weasels who can't be trusted. He'll find that out. All he'll manage with that attitude is legislation like NCLB which will undermine the principles our side is fighting for in favor of a few republican votes. We've had enough centrist politics to last a lifetime, for me.

But you can't ignore all of the other Democratic influences which will follow Obama or Clinton into office, or disregard the republican ones who will advantage themselves of a McCain presidency. There are even shades of gray in that choice as well. You have to choose. I hope you choose progress over cynicism.

(Hillary stalwart here . . .)