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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:43 PM
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This may be very controversial but.............
I have my absentee ballot and I honestly don't feel I want to vote for either of these people. I was for Edwards.......The Lady a couple of doors down still has her John Edwards for President yard sign ....I feel I am being left behind on some "Master Plan" that has created the Democratic candidates this time around. Maybe it's me, I am certainly not educated in Political Science, and I am new at this kind of stuff, but how did this happen? It feels like something Karl Rove would orchestrate. John Edwards was the most electable!!!!!!!!!! Nothing to do with Hillary being a woman, and nothing to do with Obama being African American........but I am not sure what's happening, and it could be just what America needs, but I still have this ballot..........
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:44 PM
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1. John Edwards didn't get enough votes
There isn't anything more sinister then that.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:47 PM
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6. Unless the media purposely shut him out
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:44 PM
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2. everybody believes
their candidate is most electable, and many people look for dark, sinister causes when their candidate doesn't do well.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:09 PM
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19. The media shutting him out completely wasn't a dark, sinister reason?
:shrug:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:57 PM
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27. I'm pretty sure I saw him on TV
he wasn't shut out completely.

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:55 PM
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34. The media did shut him out.. I was very sensitive to that to that view point
because it reminded me of Wes Clark and how the media shut him out. The corp media shut out both these men because they were plain and simple afraid of them.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:03 PM
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29. silly you, there are no dark sinister causes, at all.
everything is Honest and above board American Pie.

with ice scream.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:10 PM
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30. I don't think
there's any reason to believe that Edwards dropped out because of dark, sinister causes.

It was very obvious why he dropped out - he wasn't winning anywhere.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:45 PM
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3. It's a personal decision; you either choose someone or you don't.
I hope you decide to pick a candidate; after the last 8 years, we can't afford for any Dems to sit this one out.
Edwards may be endorsing someone in the next few days; would that make a difference, and can you afford to wait?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:46 PM
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4. He might be the most electable, but he had to get the most votes to prove it
Who says voters are always fair or right? But then again, who better to decide than the voters themselves?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:46 PM
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5. John made a miscalculation on how fierce the Corporations
would attack him, he still may have a role in the next Democratic Presidency.

Your vote is important....because if you hold on to your vote that's one less for the Democratic party. We will only defeat the Republicans with overwhelming votes.

Good Luck..
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:49 PM
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9. Well, and he chose public funding. That helped sink him fast.
It's my opinion that if Hillary and Obama had done the same, we would stil have three or more candidates left (or at least would have had three candidates through Super Tuesday).

The amount of money being spent on this election is obscene.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:54 PM
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12. I agree the money spent is ridiculous when we have people
starving in this country.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:48 PM
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7. he went up the corporations, chamber of commerce. ect--many thought
he would take their money away to give to the poor. that i believe.

Best to you in your decison.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:49 PM
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8. I know how you feel...
While I was for Joe Biden, I really liked Edwards.

As far as I'm concerned, I supported the most qualified candidate out there. Biden's experience and skills so outweighed the other candidates that I find it difficult at best to support either of the two remaining "rock stars." I find it unbelievable that a true statesman with all of his qualifications couldn't get past Iowa. I have little or no interest in the outcome of the November race (other than wanting the winner to be a Dem).

I just shake my head and wonder how words of "hope" and "change" over substance can win out.

-P
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:20 PM
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31. I know how you feel about the 'hope and change, yes, we can'
It just infuriates me when I see the people swooning over him when he has said 'nothing'. I think a lot of it is the youth that have never participated in an election. I was really excited my first election, but I was 21, and Kennedy said everything I wanted to hear. There is absolutely no comparison. I don't understand Caroline and Teddy selling out to BO. I get more repulsed by BO everyday.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:49 PM
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10. I'm sorry you were disappointed. Biden was my first choice, but he
didn't get far at all.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:53 PM
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11. Vote your conscience in the primary...
Vote Democrat in the general. It's a good way to go.

I voted for Edwards via absentee the day before he threw in the towel, and I haven't regretted it a bit. I think Clinton and Obama are two heads on the same hydra; Edwards stood out from the crowd. I've always felt these popularity contests were nothing more than pissing matches.

Don't you believe the arm-twisters here! Vote what your head tells you to vote. Don't be swayed by the emotions displayed by people here.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:56 PM
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13. Vote your conscience. I almost didn't vote at
all in the CA primary. Then, at the last minute, I went and voted for Edwards. Felt good about it, too. In the general I plan to hold my nose and vote for the nominee.

The news media saw to it that Edwards got vrtually no attention. They have winnowed down our candidates to the two least electable, as I'm sure was the plan all along.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:58 PM
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14. I disagree with your premise that you're "new to this kind of stuff".
You've been an active contributor here, for years, and your posts are almost always about the politics of the day. Which is why I disagree.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:01 PM
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15. Well, I am new at voting, and who cares what you think?
My 1st voting experience was the last Presidential election. That is when I stared paying attention.........So, your wrong.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:19 PM
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20. I'm just basing this on your previous posts. If you say you're new to this, I guess you are.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:02 PM
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16. I am going to vote for Edwards, even if he is out of the race
The hell with those two corporate shills.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:03 PM
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17. there's no big controversy
Either because he wasn't popular enough or because the media didn't give him enough face time, Edwards just didn't make it.

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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:40 PM
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25. And he didn't raise enough $...
And he didn't win Iowa, which is what he really needed to do, and which the media had really no hand in, since in Iowa you basically tell every voter in person why they should vote for you... and he couldn't rebound in New Hampshire, again, with media playing a less important role than in later elections... and ultimately because he just wasn't that viable of a candidate. Really, Edwards best chance was in 2004. He remade himself as a bit more of a populist with an edge, but that didn't convince enough Iowans in the end.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:09 PM
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18. Vote for Mickey Mouse. He usually does pretty well actually. nt
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:24 PM
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21. You are exactly the reason why would-be voters should have to pass a test (nt)
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:35 PM
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22. You are the reason why I am rethinking my opposition to cannibalism. nt.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:39 PM
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24. I think it might leave a bitter aftertaste. n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:49 PM
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26. Oh I am mostly a veggie.
But I certainly could turn the other way while others indulged.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:36 PM
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23. Lets face it...
If John Edwards were the most electable he would have won some elections.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:59 PM
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28. go here.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:48 PM
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32. Vote for Edward anyway, thats what I did, and felt damn good about it. Additionaly, you will be
helping the other Dems down ticket. You need to vote. My advice, for what it is worth.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:50 PM
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33. When someone tells you they don't want to continue in a relationship with you, do you let it go?
When your candidate says he is out of it, you have to decide whether you will pick up and go on, or stay in that same place, pretending things haven't changed.

I always say it's your vote, so you can do whatever you want with it. But politics is often the game of a lesser of two choices you didn't want to make.

Politicians are never as loyal to their supporters as their supporters are loyal to them. This is a univeral law of politics.
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