10 threads on the Joe Wilson themes concerning Obama and Iraq

[mmonk]

tells me two things. The war issue is hurting the Clinton campaign and two, supporters are getting aorund the three thread rule by having various people post on the same thing.

[stillcool]

1. it is interesting....

I'm trying to refrain, after the first 3 or 4.

[sniffa]

2. Amazing

I think I only noticed one of those threads.
I love GDP now. :woohoo:

[elixir]

3. Is yours the tenth or the eleventh?

[mmonk]

32. Eleventh if one thinks it is about Joe Wilson. I wouldn't say

it's my theme.

[zabet]

4. You don't think that there may be at

least 4 Hillary supporters left
here?
:shrug:

[mmonk]

33. Lot's more than that. But no one seems to be doing the good

citizen thingy of checking previous threads before they post.

[ShortnFiery]

5. It's creepy. Joe Wilson was in Bill Clinton's Administration so he's NOT "an objective party"

giving an unsolicited opinion. It's really strange that HRC's operatives are placing him on this pedestal. Perhaps it's because Valerie Plame Wilson is commenting publicly on issues relating to her outing and The Clintonites think they can vicariously "snag good press?"

[flyarm]

7. excuseeeee.. me.. but Joe Wilson has been held at high esteem by all the the dem party

since he came out and exposed the lies of the * administration..I as a delegate to the 2004 dem convention got to meet and hear Joe speak several times as he was one of the top speakers for the Kerry campaign..and he was touted by the dem party all throughout the Convention..it was perhaps the hardest ticket to get.

You have a damn lot of nerve now to act like Joe Wilson is anything but the finest American civil servants who risked his entire family's safety to tell the American people the truth about this goddamn war..and the lead up to this war.

you are pathetic to call anyone anything ..since it seems you are blinded by your damn kool aide and obama..

Joe Wilson also worked under GH Bush..he was the very man who stood up to Saddam Hussein and took Americans out of Iraq under dangerous war situation..

please look up the damn facts before you make any more of a damn fool of yourself.

you people are getting so pathetic and you are exposing your utter ignorance!

fly

oh and i support Edwards and did volunteer work for Edwards. I do not support Hillary or Obama..but at the rate, the way you Obama fools are acting..i would not even consider him at this point!..keep it up..you are losing supporters for your candidate...big time!!

[ShortnFiery]

9. No, it's not unreasonable to suggest that Joe Wilson is respected by the Clintonian wing (DLC).

He worked for HRC's husband and can be said to be harboring ulterior motives.

USA Ambassadors are NOT automatically considered "royalty" ... remember that we shed those trappings during OUR Revolutionary War against the Brits?

BTW there's no need to take my opinions "to heart" for they are NOT personal toward you but toward what I believe may be covert motivations. :shrug:

[bellasgrams]

14. He also worked for poppy Bush and after what he and his wife

have been through because of Cheney/Bush he should be respected by all Americans. He has probably been reading DU and saw how ridiculous BO people are, fawning over an empty suit, and whiney cry baby when he doesn't get his way.

[ShortnFiery]

23. That's beside the point. He can be said to have "an expectation" of future Clintonian blessings.

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

26. and anyone writing nice things about O. "can be said to have "an expectation" of future saviors

blessings"

[Auntie Bush]

10. BRAVO!

That's why I am a Hillary supporter. The hate expressed on DU regarding the Clintons was just too much for me. That's why the Obamites calmed it down a little...a request from the Obama camp itself. They finally realized they weren't helping Obama...but many here still didn't get the message and are doing their party no good what so ever.

Thanks for that post. I hope Obama eyes are listening.

[karynnj]

39. Actually there was (and still is) a group of Clinton supporters

that have attacked the Obama supporters consistently. Note that I said they attacked the supporters, not Obama. Some of them, I first saw back in 2006 when they attacked me and other Kerry supporters on threads that were started as positive JK threads. The pattern was that one would come in and reply, completely OT, that he could not win only Clinton could because only they had beat the RW and were completely vetted.

They then got the response they wanted - we responded in force both defending Senator Kerry and challenging the comment that the Clintons were completely vetted or more capable of fighting. What had started out as positive thread about some Kerry Senate accomplishment became an ugly mess of listing 1990 Clinton era events. I remember being pushed to list Clinton scandals because I was told there were none - and in retrospect realize their response was not honest and might have been better met with a "Oh, really" rather than a partial list. Then - the Clinton people would then point to Bill Clinton's real popularity among Democrats and call us out as "hating the Clintons".

This same method is now used against the Obama supporters - and had it been Edwards who was beating Clinton, it would be the Edwards' supporters. When it was us Kerry supporters - it was easier to miss. We were a small group relative to the large number of Obama supporters.

The question that should be asked is which side wants a distraction from what has happened in the real world in the primaries? Which side is energized by the brilliant, positive speech that Obama gave on the night of the three stunning victories in DC, VA and MD. That or threads that speak of his very disciplined well run primary campaign that survived a SuperTuesday that EVERYONE thought made a win by anyone but Clinton impossible. There was a very nice analysis of that written on John Kerry's blog - ttp://www.johnkerry.com/2008/2/6/barack-obama-crosses-the-50-yard-line . Compare that to even Dee Dee Meyer, press secretary to Bill Clinton in the 1990s admitting surprise on Morning Joe today that the Clinton team had no plan for after Februray 5th on February 6th.

The real news stories are of the shakeups in the Clinton campaign, comments on seating MI, where the others were not an the ballot, arguing that the superdelegates can/should/will change a narrow Obama lead in pledged delegates to Clinton win, and, of course, stories of huge, smiling crowds meeting Obama. Is is rather strange when people who complained that Gore and Kerry were not charismatic - are now equating Obama's charismatic appeal to being a cult leader. (Though I assume that HRC would have loved to be the one leading this type of "cult". In fact, it reminds me of GHWB whining about "Bozo and Ozoneman".

[emilyg]

11. Thank you.

[donheld]

13. "Held at high esteem by all the the dem party"

Nobody has ever been held in high esteem by ALL the dem party and nobody ever will, and nobody ever should be.

[flyarm]

15. any civil servant who puts their lives or the lives of their family at risk for the safety

and good of Americans at a whole..should hold the higest esteem from all of us..dem or repig!

fly

[ShortnFiery]

25. No, nobody gets "a free ride" especially when there are connections that give the suggestion

that the author is "less than fully objective."

[donheld]

29. Nobody is above criticism

Even the biggest of heroes have there faults and failures. Heroes are not infallible. Especially when it comes to politics.

[babylonsister]

16. Joe Wilson is way too partisan and is wearing it on his sleeve for

whatever reason. I will have to look into his history with the Clintons.

Don't you be scolding people, flyarm, or do. You seem darned angry about this Obama thing, and that's okay, even though you don't support Clinton, so you say. Why ARE you so angry?

[flyarm]

19. Joe Wilson was extremely partisan for Kerry and Edwards in 2004 as well..do you have

or did you have a problem with that then? Remember he went around the country for Kerry in 2004..and has helped many in congressional races as well..

fly

[babylonsister]

21. You didn't answer my question. And I do respect Wilson, I just wonder

about his motives now, slamming Obama as hard as he is. It cannot be because he doesn't actually dislike him, and if that's the reason, why? Yes, he's written articles, but my question of motives still stands.

[flyarm]

22. i have been made angry by the many people here supporting Obama that attack anything anyone says..

and i am getting more and more angry by the day..you bet i am angry..i have been attacked and they act like pit bulls..go over and read the Edwards forum..you will see we all have been attakced..and it is damn ugly.

I am not one to stay silent about these types of attacks..but it is wearing itself very thin.

and i will no longer accept that behavior silently.

fly

ps and i saw this same ignorant behavior up close and nasty in Iowa and South Carolina by the Obama supporters...i do not appreciate it ..i have been a dem my entire life and have worked with and for this party for my entire life..and now to be treated like this by a bunch of young people with no life experience..no thanks..i have never contemplated becoming an independent..but i sure as hell am now!

My party has left me..and it is a damn shame..as i have contributed alot for many many years.

[babylonsister]

27. There are a lot of Obama supporters, including myself, who have

made many efforts to remain civil. I hope I'm not on your list of young snots (I just turned 52 if that helps!)

I'm very sorry you have been turned off by some people on DU, but what about the rest of the country? Have you been paying attention to the reaction to this man? I know you have; are you sure that's not what's making you angry? I just can't be, being a fan and knowing so many people are seeing what I'm seeing.

[mmonk]

34. I do not believe I'm claiming he isn't held in high regard.

Noting the observations I've made. Looking at it politically, that's how I see Wilson's approach to Obama who was against the war.

[TexasObserver]

6. When your opponent is shooting herself in the foot, don't get in her way.

This is a losing issue for Hillary - the war. So the more she talks about it, the more she loses voters. Let them post it every hour on the hour. Still won't change anyone's mind.

Joe Wilson was ok on the Plame issues, but that doesn't make his Hill Shilling any more compelling.

This is one more example of why Hillary can't run a winning campaign. She can't convince voters she deserves the nomination, so she tries to convince them Obama doesn't.

It's a loser's strategy, sure to bring her more losing. Let them whine about it.

[Samantha]

8. Joe Wilson could be telling the literal truth BUT

(although I do believe someone asked him to make this statement) it's perfectly reasonable to assume that someone in the Illinois State legislature could make a comment against the war and it would not reach an Ambassador's ears. In fact, I think it is highly likely.

[donheld]

12. "The three thread rule"

Has only been in effect for a few hours. Hopefully that will look more effective tomorrow. It seems posters are too lazy to see if others have already started threads on something, or maybe people think they can do it better than anyone else so they have to post their own.

[rodeodance]

17. at least a 100 hillary hatred treads today.

[rodeodance]

18. you whining??

[mmonk]

35. Yeah sure, I'm a whiner.

[Cha]

20. Well, I post this here again..

JOE WILSON IS WRONG ABOUT OBAMA

<snip>

"Anyone who supported the Iraq war for five bloody, deadly years and then supported the Lieberman-Kyl amendment should show more taste and better judgment and more modestly in boasting of their own "experience' and launching personal attacks on those who were far more right than she."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4576880

[rodeodance]

24. Your post sounds paranoid.

10 threads on the Joe Wilson themes concerning Obama and Iraq

tells me two things. The war issue is hurting the Clinton campaign and two, supporters are getting aorund the three thread rule by having various people post on the same thing.

[ShortnFiery]

28. But can you disprove it? I know of at least THREE other "mirror threads"

:shrug:

[babylonsister]

30. A few of those threads started before the 3-thread rule went into effect,

like two days ago.

[mmonk]

36. Good. Take them out. Still over three.

Wait awhile between posts.

[question everything]

31. Whoo, call the cops, stop everything, there is a conspiracy

ten people - TEN! - feels the same way about a topic.

You may want to find something more constructive to do with your time.

[mmonk]

37. Or maybe those that keep posting the same thing so closely could find

something better to do.

[H2O Man]

38. True.

Ambassador Wilson's opinion is important, and we should pay attention to it. And from everything that I've read, he recognizes that people should view the world of politics as objectively as possible. In this contest between Clinton and Obama, he is not an objective voice, because of his long-standing association with the Clintons. That association speaks well of Senator Clinton, but it should also be taken into consideration where Wilson makes statements in opposition to Senator Obama.

The issue of the war in Iraq both hurts Clinton and helps Obama among the independent and undecided voters. In a very real sense, the relationship with Wilson makes Senator Clinton's support of the Bush march to war even more of a question mark.