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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:11 AM
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Hillary is running for President of the Selected States.
Obama is running for President of the United States.

Hillary's using her fifteen-state strategy.

I thought Hillary was the experienced politician that knew how to win? Who's the genius that came up with the idea to ignore two-thirds of the country?

Oh, but those are only caucus states! But if it's so easy to net large amounts of delegates in caucus states, why didn't the experienced, savvy Hillary figure it out instead of the Obama campaign?

When your basic argument for your candidacy is that you know how to win, as soon as you lose your candidacy collapses in on itself. This was apparent after Iowa. After months of campaigning and maybe $80 million, she finished in third place. If she's so good at politics, how did she lose?
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:14 AM
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1. My state "doesn't count", does yours? nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:15 AM
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3. My state counted, in particular the early votes sent in right after NH.....
the Independent votes though....not so much.


That would be California.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:15 AM
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4. Nah. My state doesn't count either.
We never count. :(
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:15 AM
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2. She will win.
it's in the cards that the so called demockracy of We the Fools will hold.

she'll win.

but, oiy,
lots of fools can do foolish things. ;)

Beatling:
ya say you wanna revolution....
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:18 AM
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5. She will lose. She already has, but doesn't know it.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:25 AM
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9. Powers That Be
have powers.

:)
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:28 AM
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11. You are dreaming if you fantasize the superDs will save her sorry campaign.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 01:29 AM by TexasObserver
Superdelegates don't sacrifice their political lives to save a failing campaign of a candidate who will drag them all down in November.

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:41 AM
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14. disapointments R us.
when was the last 'good' thing that happened, when you really really thought it was inevitable, that good thing, that changling thing ?

name me one big one in the last only 7 years.

pelosi is now talking about 'elders' deciding.
not superdelegates, but there seems to be a new layer of deciders, the ones that took Bush's criminality off the table.

ha! no way this will work for the people.
but it's fun for ride right now, knowing you are on the best team given to you.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:15 AM
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17. You're mistaken if you think Hillary will be saved by the party.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 02:19 AM by TexasObserver
She is despised by most Democratic pols.

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:21 AM
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19. I hope you are right, but granny Clampett's beetle is wiggling on that one. nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:26 AM
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20. I'm right. Bet on it.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:19 AM
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6. my state barely made it Hillary got 52 % another week
and California would no longer exist
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MJJLWolf2 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:20 AM
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7. Becuase Iowa is full of sexist pigs.
Don't you know? Durrrrr.

And so is Colorado and Washington and Utah and Maine and Conneticut and MO and Alaska and about a dozen other states.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:22 AM
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8. She dissed my state (Washington) because we're a caucus, and 'Bill didn't win those, either'.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:31 AM
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12. It is amazing how disrespectful she has been after she loses a state. She flees the state
before the votes are counted, doesn't acknowledge that she lost or that there was even a contest, until a few days later when it's dismissed as an insignificant state because it's either too small, too black, not black enough, votes in caucuses, too rich, too poor, too urban, too rural, not near an ocean, or not near Arkansas.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:28 AM
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10. Howard Dean spent $40 million
and was broke after Iowa and that also contributed greatly to his demise. It's funny that Hillary is getting a pass on going through $118 million when she presents herself as the competent candidate who is going to return to fiscal responsibility.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:34 AM
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13. Yes, it's hard for her to present herself now as the one to manage the economy when she can't manage
her own campaign finances. I was a big Dean supporter, but I felt the same way when he revealed a couple of days after Iowa that the campaign was almost broke.

And I love that picture!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:42 AM
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15. I beat the hell out of him
LOL. Which is ironic to me because when you compare it to the Clinton fundraising scandals, race baiting and election manipulation tactics, her mismanagement of the money is low on the list. That's how bad of a candidate she is.

And yeah, I love that picture too. I feel like if I could get it in the face of every female voter, of course they'd want that in the White House instead of Bill again.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:43 AM
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16. Dean wasn't competing against a $162 million machine
Dean was different since he had a big financial edge over everyone else. Hillary had no choice but to spend. Obama spent so much in Iowa that he outspent the second place finisher 6:1 to get an 8 point win.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:19 AM
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18. OBama came in first in Iowa......and had he came in third....Hillary would be the nominee
today.

I believe that Obama spent our money well.

Hillary, not so much.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:28 AM
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21. I'm in California, a state that "counts"
and I think it's a shitty strategy. :(
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