Today, it has become clear the Clinton Campaign is not only inept, but stupid.

[calteacherguy]

The talk being leaked about "pledged delegates are the same as superdelegates" and carrying this all the way to the convention even if she is behind in popular vote and pledged delegates in June is the worst possible message they could be sending.

It will turn the few remaining Clinton supporters off bigtime and do nothing to help her win votes. It's absolutely stupid. If the Clintons put their own hopeless cause ahead of Party unity their the Clinton name will become mud in the history of American politics forever.

Memo to Clinton campaign: It's the people, stupid!

[FrenchieCat]

1. Where have you seen this?

[Pirate Smile]

2. I'm guessing the Boston Globe article. Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4583928

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/clinton_counts.html

Clinton counts on superdelegates
Email|Link|Comments (0) Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor February 13, 2008 04:26 PM
By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton will take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote, but persuades enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.

The New York senator, who lost three primaries Tuesday night, now lags slightly behind her rival, Illinois Senator Barack Obama, in the delegate count. She is even further behind in "pledged'' delegates, those assigned by virtue of primaries and caucuses.

But Clinton will not concede the race to Obama if he wins a greater number of pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, and will count on the 796 elected officials and party bigwigs to put her over the top, if necessary, said Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson.

"I want to be clear about the fact that neither campaign is in a position to win this nomination without the support of the votes of the superdelegates,'' Wolfson told reporters in a conference call.

"We don't make distinctions between delegates chosen by million of voters in a primary and those chosen between tens of thousands in caucuses,'' Wolfson said. "And we don't make distinctions when it comes to elected officials'' who vote as superdelegates at the convention.

"We are interested in acquiring delegates, period,'' he added.

Clinton advisers rejected the notion that the candidate -- and the party -- would be badly wounded in the general election if the nominee were essentially selected by a group of party insiders.

[calteacherguy]

4. Yes. nt

[Pirate Smile]

7. Did you see this from Mark Penn:

TPM

Political Genius Walking Among Us
A quote from Mark Penn that should go over extremely well: "Could we possibly have a nominee who hasn't won any of the significant states -- outside of Illinois? That raises some serious questions about Sen. Obama.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/178464.php

So I believe that would be 21 insignificant states.

Obama (22)

Idaho +62
DC +51
Alaska +50
Kansas +48
Washington +37
Georgia +36
Nebraska +36
Colorado +35
Minnesota +35
Illinois+32
South Carolina +32
Virginia +29
North Dakota +24
Maryland +23
Louisiana +21
Maine +19
Utah +18
Alabama +14
Delaware +10
Iowa +9
Connecticut +4
Missouri +1



Obama has won 15 states by more than a 20 point margin; 2 more states with a 19 and 18 point margin.

[kerrygoddess]

11. He's talking about

states with a lot of delegates. That what he means by significant. She;s won all the high population states with a lot of delegates.

[CreekDog]

15. so all the states he won were "insignficant"?

nice platform she's got there. hope McCain doesn't quote that in ads against her in November.

she's toast now or toast then, but the way she's flaming out is painful to watch, but worse if she's willing to take the party with her.

[Tellurian]

20. They are insignificant because he didn't win by a landslide of a minimum of 30%+

[dkf]

21. She won states with lots of delegates, but she didn't win them handily

enough to get a significant advantage out of them.

[kerrygoddess]

28. California? New York? Massachusetts?

[FrenchieCat]

26. Did she win all of the delegates in those states?

cause according to her.....

Hillary says she’ll be Democratic nominee by Feb 5th
December 13, 2007
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is anticipating that she will not have to wait long to become the Democratic presidential nominee, privately telling campaign donors in California that the race "is all going to be over by Feb. 5."

Though the focus of the 2008 presidential campaign is on Iowa and New Hampshire, the states with the earliest contests, Clinton suggested that California's influence might be larger than was commonly believed.

"You've got to realize that people in California will start voting absentee about the time Iowa and New Hampshire happen," the senator from New York said at a closed-door fundraising reception Tuesday evening. "In fact, more people will have voted absentee by the middle of January than will have voted in New Hampshire, Iowa and a lot of other places combined."

On Friday, California absentee ballots began going out to members of the military and others living abroad.

California's remaining absentee ballots will be sent out beginning Jan. 7, one day before the New Hampshire primary and four days after the Iowa precinct caucuses.

California holds its primary Feb. 5, along with 21 other states and American Samoa.

"California, Texas, New York, New Jersey — you've got way more than half the country," Clinton said at the fundraising event at a Sacramento restaurant. "And we're going to be ready, thanks to all of you. We're running a vigorous campaign here in California."

Voters in 22 states will vote after Feb. 5, as will those in the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and Guam.

The fundraising reception was closed to the news media, but an audio recording of Clinton's speech was made available to the Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-clinton13dec13,1,2613727.story

[calteacherguy]

12. Obama needs to bring this up in the debate.

We need to expose them for what they are.

[Kitty Herder]

14. I resent the implication that my state is insignificant.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Not a wise comment from Mark Penn. That could potentially alienate a lot of voters.

[Tatiana]

18. That guy is not only a sleazebag. He's a moran too. n/t

[Metric System]

3. I'm glad that thread limit has kicked in. n/t

[calteacherguy]

5. It's hasn't. I've got one more to go.

:hi:

[Tellurian]

22. Try posting one that makes sense and can be debated..

[calteacherguy]

23. You are right, Tellurian.

1) What they are doing makes no sense

2) That what they are doing is inept and stupid is beyond debate

Right you are!

[Tellurian]

32. C'mon now... use up your last thread for the day

and be done with preying on the innocent and clueless, who may think you have something of importance to point out with your usual unbridled, profound outrage.

[CreekDog]

13. Her strategy is going to make that limit irrelevant because she is pissing more people off than ever

3 x many is a lot of threads.

and I see you have no response.

[CreekDog]

6. I cannot believe how angry I am with Hillary right now

I also wonder if some of my relatives, all reliable Democrats who have supported her so far with votes and money, will react to this change of tactics. They are fair minded and I don't think they will go along with this.

She is saying with these actions that she is more important than the party and its voters, that she and her voters are more important than anyone else's.

I'm done with her.

I have volunteered or gave money in every Democratic presidential campaign since I was able to vote in 1992.

If she gets the nomination despite a plurality by Obama, I will leave the presidential line blank, something I never, ever, ever would have considered before and I will withhold money from her campaign and the DNC.

[goldcanyonaz]

8. That's cool, I'm gonna write my candidate in if she's not on the ballot.

:hug:

[CreekDog]

9. I'll vote for her if she gets a plurality of the vote, I'm fine with that

In that case, I would not write in Obama or anyone else.

But if she 'steals' it this way, she can forget this Democrat's vote.

[rodeodance]

25. And can you imagine how angry I was/am when Obama people tell Hill to drop out--my

primary would not count. over and over and over!!

[CreekDog]

27. it's wrong to say your vote won't count

i agree with you there.

[rodeodance]

29. thank you.

[JackORoses]

31. she really should drop out, you know

it's just prolonging your misery at this point.

[KittyWampus]

10. it makes no sense. The only explanation another DU'er came up w/ it's a way to appease big donors

who want to know how she can pull this off.

[CreekDog]

17. That's the most charitable explanation I can come up with

But it's not worth making that argument that she can win no matter what the voters say.

[Mz Pip]

16. I doubt she

ever thought she's be in this position. I just remember a few months ago all the talk was about the inevitability of the Clinotn candidacy. SHe's had to scramble, regroup, and change her strategy.

After 18 debates she makes this stupid accusation that Obama doesn't want to debate her - and it's just a few days until the next scheduled debate. I'm sure the people of WI have had plenty of opportunties to watch the debates and can easily watch the one next week. She's trying to make a mountain out of a grain of sand.

THe delegate thing is disturbing because if this is decided by backroom wheeling and dealing it will leave the same taste in the mouth as the SCOTUS picking Bush. And I say that no matter who the candidate is.



Mz Pip
:dem:

[Whisp]

19. Memo to Clinton campaign: People aren't stupid.

the Clinton campaigners are.
OBVIOUSLY.

What a sorry lot. I am really disapointed in mega money influence.
Please invest in brains next time, not Mark Pig Penns. just for a mild challenge, is all.

good cripes, pay me a third of his salary and I could do better, for Hillary.
but not so much for the commoners,or my conscience.

I ask really, really.
WTF?
what fucking amateurs.

[thoughtcrime1984]

24. ugh

I don't see how anyone can vote for this kind of sentiment.

[emilyg]

30. I am so happy there's a post limit.

[Tellurian]

33. Wait until the withdrawal kicks in.. Oy!

I can hear the wheels turning now with the Obama loyalists on how to beat the system..