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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:55 AM
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Obama: the honeymoon may just be over

Larry Johnson's Diary

"The Obama cult is a phenomenom. A weird phenomenom. People are enthralled with the idea of Obama and know nothing about his past, his performance, and the scandals that will bring him down. And, smack dab in the middle of the enablers, are most of the TV and print journalists. Very few are writing or reporting the kind of tough stories they unleash on Hillary on a regular basis.

My neighbor, who is a prominent Republican lobbyist, was commenting the other day on the inspiring nature of the Obama campaign. He was repeating the positive vibe. I then asked him about issues such as Rezko and the disconnect between his rhetoric and how he actually votes. He was surprised and shocked. He said, "I haven't heard any of this." Obviously he's not a reader of NoQuarter. But he is a politically astute, well-informed guy. When he heard the true story of Obama's past (including Obama's Kenyan ties and muslim relatives). He flipped.

Let's face it. The establishment media have a habit of doing this shit. They happily went along with selling the Bush Administration bullshit and lies about the threat of terrorism and the need to invade Iraq. Oh sure, some, like Sy Hersh pushed back, but his efforts were overwhelmed by the likes of Michael Gordon and Judith Miller, Tim Russert, Chris Matthews, and the Washington Post. There were clear voices warning beforehand that the intelligence was fixed and that the war was not needed, but the press played along with the Bush propaganda machine and persuaded a majority of Americans that war with Iraq was the only solution for keeping us safe.

And don't start in with Obama's so-called opposition to the war. One damn speech really doesn't count. What counts is what he has done since coming to Washington. He hasn't joined the likes of Russ Feingold in pushing for an immediate withdrawal. He's played the politically safe game. I do not fault him for that. My beef is he thinks, rightly so, that most of the voters are too fucking dumb to realize that he is blowing smoke up their ass. Say one thing and do another.

Yeah, Obama is Mr. Anti-Washington. He is surrounded by Tom Daschle, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Patrick Leahy. If you believe that those guys represent "changing the way business is done in Washington," then you will believe anything.

We will know next week if Hillary can recover. I give the Obama camp credit. They organized and spent resources in Virginia and Maryland and thumped Hillary. Hillary's campaign was awful in Maryland and Virginia. Obama's folks made an effort to personally visit and speak with every registered Democrat. Hillary did not. Obama's folks called every registered Democrat (or at least tried to) to ask for their vote. Hillary did not. This explains in part, I think, why Patti Doyle, the campaign manager, was fired. She is incompetent. I hope for the sake of the country that Maggie Williams has time to right the ship and get Hillary back on top.

In the meantime, we have to watch the equivalent of a papal coronation, as the media and fans exhult in the Obama Messiah, the black Jesus come to save us. But sometime in the next four months, the excitement will fade as the reality of who Obama is comes out."

You may not agree but you must realize that he is up for a big whooping if he's the nominee. Let's hope he's up for it.

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:57 AM
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1. I love the smell of napalm in the morning...it smells like...
...whining.

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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:00 AM
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3. Just cutting and pasting... you don't have to read. Unless, of course, you're uncertain.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:58 AM
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2. how much do they pay you?
Inquiring minds would really like to know...
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:01 AM
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5. Sounds like you might need a job, why don't you join Obama's campaign. I hear he pays well.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:22 PM
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98. yeah ...
they've been paying her to post here since 2003?

stupid questions ...
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:01 AM
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4. Who's Larry Johnson? Who's the editor that let that go to print?
What's it from?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:15 AM
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26. you really don't know who Larry Johnson is?? seriously?..no wonder you Ipod kids mock anyone who
tries to tell the truth about your Messiah.

shaking head here..

fly
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:18 AM
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32. Who's an iPod kid? Who's my Messiah?
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 09:18 AM by Rabrrrrrr
Do you have any idea what you're saying?

Cuz I sure don't.

And no, I don't know who Larry Johnson is.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:45 AM
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45. We're still waiting to hear who Larry Johnson is- got a link?
nt
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:46 AM
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46. Guess Elixir is waiting to hear back from Clinton HQ with that answer.
And god knows how long that will take.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:49 AM
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48. I found him! He's a failed spook/CIA guy.
From 1985 through September 1989 Mr. Johnson worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. During his distinguished career, he received training in paramilitary operations, worked in the Directorate of Operations, served in the CIA’s Operation’s Center, and established himself as a prolific analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:12 AM
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61. Larry Johnson is known by most DU'ers. He USED to be a great HERO!!!!
Spoke out against many of the atrocities of the current regime, including the Plame outing. Yep, Larry Johnson was GREATLY RESPECTED AND ADMIRED.

Before he had to audacity of not kiss Obama's ass.

But before that, he was a fantastic dude, here at DU.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:26 AM
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68. I'd say that screed was a little more than "not kissing Obama's ass"
Larry Johnson was lauded for speaking out on the war and in defense of Plame, and rightly so. But come on, Black Jesus? Obama Messiah? Desperately looking for a father figure? Scary muslim relatives? You can defend a rant derisively calling one of our candidates Black Jesus, but I think others are justified is concluding that it is an unhinged hit-piece, regardless of the credentials of its author.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:27 AM
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77. Heroes seem to have a very short shelf life around here lately.
Krugman, Valerie Wilson, Joe Wilson, Johnson, Bill Clinton, etc.

It's sickening.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:16 PM
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78. So once one attains the status of "hero" he gets a free pass?
For life? If Joe Wilson goes out and kills someone tomorrow will you say it is sickening for him to be condemned? (not to suggest that the ambassador is homicidal, just in my hypothetical) Sorry, I'll disagree with anyone I choose, hero or not. I don't see anything sickening about it. If Larry Johnson wants spew that kind of barely coherent vitriol, he's going to get called on it.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:54 PM
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82. Yeah, ain't that the truth...
I am especially surprised at a lot of black voters who now pretend as though they hate the Clintons because a black/white candidate is running. As soon as he doesn't do something that they want for the black community they will be all over him...
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:58 PM
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90. Edwards too for simply daring to consider endorsing Hillary
Then they wonder why folks view many Obamites as cultists...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:59 PM
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104. I really did a take back with all the vile crap during those days. It was sickening!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:51 PM
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97. You are pathetic.
I almost feel sorry for you.

Have some more kool-aid.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:51 PM
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100. I-pod kids?
This kind of insulting garbage is what makes young people not want to vote.
Seriously, grow up.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:01 PM
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105. I'd use an iPod just to drown out your idiotic thoughts.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:51 AM
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51. He is the former CIA agent who testified to congress
about Valerie Plame being outed. He has been burning mad about that betrayal and thinks Bush and Powell are the worst fools. He is very pro-military IMO, but not in the Bush mold. He has been writing about the Iraq war on a consistent basis.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:03 AM
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55. Thanks! Now I'm embarrassed that I didn't recognize the name.
Makes much more sense when I can put a writer in context - thanks much!

Your answer was much more helpful than the one that accused me of wearing an iPod.

:shrug:

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:03 AM
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6. The dirtbags on the right are already gearing up
Yesterday one of the low-lifes on Boston talk radio was suggesting to his listeners that Obama would push hard for slavery reparations.

The scum on the right just love to throw race into the mix.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:06 AM
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12. What did you expect?
Of course its wrong, but isn't everything the right wing does pathetic?
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:07 AM
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14. not so funny
sitting in a coffee shop here in NYC the other day, the four African-American men at the neighboring table were very excited about the prospect of an Obama Presidency where "they" would finally rule, get "their money" back and finally be in control. They seemed really jazzed about his candidacy for those reasons and those reasons alone.

Granted, this has nothing to do with Obama or his campaign, but one must admit there may be people in his community -- such as these black men -- who have had those thoughts cross their minds once or twice.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:17 AM
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30. OMG! I never thought that black people might feel empowered if Obama wins!
Can't be having that crap! Next thing, they'll be asking for fair wages and to live in any neighborhood they want.

:eyes:

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:57 PM
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83. I can agree with those points but...
they will start to get angry if they think that he is not doing everything they want or suggest...Just as some whites will get angry if they feel he is doing things specifically for the black community, everyone can talk all of that kumbaya shit now but I can see it coming..
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:43 AM
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44. Urban legend alert! Get thee to Snopes!
What coffee shop? What borough of NYC?
Doesn't this sound to you all like those horror stories that get adapted to the teller's locale?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:06 AM
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57. I heard that those very same guys refuse to pay in cash because our money has "God" on it, too.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 10:07 AM by Rabrrrrrr
And I think that was a copy of the "Koran with Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf" someone saw out of the one guy's pocket.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:11 AM
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60. Ha! Oh it's a well known coffee shop
The same one where Mikey from the Life cereal commercials ate Pop Rocks and exploded. A tragic story.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:27 AM
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69. Waverly Diner in Greenwich Village
hard to miss them as they were very loud and having a great time. Nothing wrong with that, but that part of their conversation raised more than a few eyebrows.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:17 AM
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31. they can't do that
that wouldn't be fair.....are they against hope and change.....my prediction is that obama wins the nomination..and then gets steamrolled in nov by the rw media and then the msm....mccain isn't likely
to play nice with obama....and mccain does have enough of a record to highlight some real accomplishments....obama named a post office
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:03 AM
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7. I find the same thing happening in my own not-so-little World
I speak with people who are leaning toward supporting Barack and direct them to the information they're unaware of via articles, etc. Once they realize his ties to Rezko, his continued funding of the war and his mystifying habit of not answering with specifics on issues he waxes rhetorical about, they flip.

More than that, though, they feel duped and lied to by him. No one appreciates being taken for a ride.
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:04 AM
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8. That's absolutly right
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 09:04 AM by BayouBengal07
If there's anyone in this race who's outside the beltway, scandal free, and not weighed down by political baggage, it's Hillary Clinton.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:05 AM
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10. ...
:wow: :spray: :thumbsup:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:06 AM
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11. LOL! Perfectly said!
:thumbsup:

:rofl:

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:36 AM
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71. HA! (that would be a Chris Matthews' "HA!")
Too funny.



Peace:thumbsup:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:04 AM
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9. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obama's up for a whooping. So what?
Whomever is the Democratic nominee will be up for a whooping. Obama can handle it and I am getting annoyed with those who are using scare tactics to erode Obama support.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:21 AM
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34. what part is a scare tactic
the part where he doesn't have any experience.....or the part where the rw media is going to bend him over at the first opportunity.....mccain polls well against both democrats.....that's not a scare tactic .....some obama supporters seem to think facts are scary........



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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:25 AM
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36. There are no facts with the unknown. We don't know how Obama will handle McCain -
or vice versa. We can conjecture and make assumptions at this point but that's it. What facts do you have to prove Obama will not be able to beat McCain? Saying he is inexperienced and that he'll be attacked by the RW media don't prove anything.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:51 AM
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49. hahaha so there are no facts with the unknown
but what about hope and change....that's an unknown as well....how do you know obama can or will change anything....you don't so that's faith.......but then you want facts when it supports yer position....maybe obama can beat mccain...but here's a fact obama is going to get pounded by the media as soon as he locks the nomination up....here's another fact....in the face of the many years mccain has been in the senate obamas 2 years there doesn't add up to jack.....fact 3 obama is leading because of independents and crossover democrats....and he won't pull as many of those against mccain as he does against hillary...remember that mccain has that whole maverick thing going.....now back to yer point about the unknowns.....what's up with the rezko issue...do you have any facts or just the same....it's all a smear...obama isn't bulletproof and mccain isn't some doddering old man.....forget that to your peril
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:05 AM
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56. "Forget that to your peril" - scare tactics again.
Thanks for proving my point. :hi:
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:06 AM
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13. I Still Don't Understand
why there was such a big Honeymoon over Obama (Barry).
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:15 AM
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27. Barry?
What's with the "Barry"?
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:33 AM
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39. Barry is
the name Obama used for years until he decided to run for office.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:07 AM
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15. Larry Johnson again... *yawn*...
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:07 AM
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16. This post is totally wrong. The honeymoon may just be over?
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 09:08 AM by Benhurst
No way! The corporate press will wait until Obama is safely and formally nominated, then, Katie, bar the door!

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:07 AM
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17. Glossary: "Cult" = campaign I'm not supporting; "Weird phenomenon" = my side is losing
"People... know nothing about his past, his performance, and the scandals that will bring him down." = He's clean

(probably betraying myself as a Biden man with that one)


"I then asked {my neighbor} about issues such as Rezko... He was surprised and shocked." = I'm an talented smear merchant

"What counts is what he has done since coming to Washington. He hasn't joined the likes of Russ Feingold in pushing for an immediate withdrawal. He's played the politically safe game."
= He's no different on policy than Clinton; it's just that people like him more.


"the equivalent of a papal coronation" = you popular kids suck

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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:09 AM
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18. Larry Johnson used to call himself a republican
So I think he plays both sides according to his agenda.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:56 PM
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103. He could be supporting McCain.
People are assuming that he is doing this to support Hillary, but with his background, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up supporting McCain, no matter who the Democrats nominate.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:09 AM
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19. Thanks for the pointer to noquarterusa.net
http://www.noquarterusa.net

Pretty refreshing stuff. I especially enjoyed the "Fuck KOS" posting.

Being from the Philly suburbs, and having graduated from Drexel, there have been many occasions when I got that same "Animal Farm" vibe from the Penn students...

Thanks again, I'll be bookmarking http://www.noquarterusa.net
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:10 AM
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20. Why don't you do something productive with your 3 posts and aim your sights at McCain?
short of that, you are serving the republicons posting shit like this at this point.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:12 AM
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23. why didn't you say that when the other candidates were being 'criticized.'
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 09:15 AM by xultar
I thought constructive criticism was what DU was all about...
just sayin.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:16 AM
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28. God, I love you Xultar. You always hit right on the spot!! nt
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:19 AM
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33. when I see double-standards and bullshit...I pounce.
Thanks.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:46 AM
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47. What, and you've been suzie sunshine? give me a break.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 09:47 AM by corkhead
I haven't been posting potshots at the candidates. My biggest concern all along is I didn't think Clinton and Obama were our best hope for certain victory in November, but as I have looked at the remaining candidates, I have changed my mind about one of them. I don't think either of them are as progressive as I would have liked, I think they both have corporatist leanings, but the time has passed for there to be anything to do about that at this point. The pukes have picked their candidate, and it is looking like we have ours. It's time to wrap it up.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:51 AM
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50. Did I say you took pot shots? I just asked were was your going after McCain attitured when
other candidates were being criticized.

IT seems people want to DU concentrate on McCain now that Obama is the front runner.

I find that to be a double standard, cuz they really could give a shit about McCain then...because all it was about @ that point was dissin Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton.

That's all.

Never said you took pot shots.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:58 AM
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54. I don't think it is a double standard, the circumstances have changed
We may not agree now, but I hope you will draw the same conclusion on March 5th.
Peace.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:48 PM
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110. Thanks, Xultar and Jasmine321. You guys rock.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:35 AM
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42. How do you know corkhead "didn't" ?
Just asking.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:40 AM
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43. because the primary process is concluding, and it is time to set our sights on November
My candidate isn't going to get the nomination, and it is looking like the candidate of the OP isn't going to either. It is time to move on.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:11 AM
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21. OOOOOOOO.....Larry Johnson.....OMG.... we're doomed!
Who in the fuck is Larry Johnson and why in the fuck should I care?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:12 AM
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22. Larrry Johnson nailed it
You can always tell when someone is spot on about Obama by all the reactions. They come out and whine, but they can't prove Johnson is wrong.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:24 AM
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35. right?It's very telling.
IMAGINE if the msm went after Barack the way they do Hillary!They wouldn't know what to do with themselves.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:28 AM
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37. Oh, but the MSM will go after him
and they will start the day after they have Hillary out of the way. That much is a given, but first they have to continue to stop Hillary in her tracks, to all but insure a McCain victory in November.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:10 AM
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59. right.However!
Don't count Hillary out just yet.

If I know anything about her it's that she's a fighter.She and Barack will have to fight this out at the Convention due to delegate count being at a virtual dead heat no matter who wins what State - UNLESS one should sweep all of them by 70+ percent margins.

So yeah,Hillary is the Under Dog but only because she hasn't won lately and the msm play it up as though she's doomed but she is by no means out,not by a long shot!

I'm stunned at how she can take the onslaught from the msm(et al)and still!Still She Stands with head held high and a smile on her face.

Barack has shown us already that if criticized or questioned he pouts and whines and levels the race card against two of Our Finest no less!Who have worked their entire careers for the rights of ALL but especially for Black Americans!

So should he somehow pull this out and actually win the nomination he himself will not know what hit him when they start going after him like they do Hillary now on a daily basis.Neither will his followers.

The MSM would rip him apart and so would McCain.He is no match for what will go down in the G.E.

Hillary is.She's gotta get the nom.





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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:29 AM
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70. Don't worry. I'm the last person who would ever count Hillary out of it
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:37 AM
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73. !!
lol,you go mtnsnake :toast: We need more around here like you.

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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:35 AM
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41. Oh they will.
They are waiting until he has the nomination locked up. Obama supporters are in for a bumpy ride, and all Democrats are in for another loss in Nov.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:13 AM
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24. Another friend of Poppy Bush endorsing Hillary. Not a surprise.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 09:14 AM by Mass
For those who want to know who it is:

http://www.berg-associates.com/larryc.htm
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:14 AM
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25. I remember
the Larry Johnson who excoriated the Clintons, especially Bill, on a regular basis. I stopped reading or listening to him long ago - he can't even get agency shit right and that's a topic he should know something about.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:16 AM
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29. You bring up two good points with regards to Obama and the Iraq war. If anybody wants to see the
truth on this issue, it's self evident. If Obama had any passion at all against this war, he would not have just given one speech, he would have given many speeches.

If Obama had any passion at all against this war, he would have been down in the trenches with the likes of Russ Feingold, but Obama was no where to be found.

I, like yourself, don't blame Obama for shooting a line of sh!t, because that is what politicians do, but that doesn't mean I can't see it for what it is.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:19 AM
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66. Obama's first speech in the senate: "Let's not look into how this war was started"
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:30 AM
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38. K & R!
For Larry of course!
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:34 AM
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40. Larry Who??
Stay at No Quarter.com


The change that this country needs is a NAME.....................No Bush, No Clinton!


Enough said.


I see Hillary slipping, and she will get very nasty in the near future! Maybe her true colors will come out.

I see she finally paid her rent, over a month late. Nice example for a Presidential Candidate.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:52 AM
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52. Being late w/ rent wasn't her fault! Not like she's in charge of her own campaign!
What an unfair standard you set! You know she blames this on the Hispanic woman she fired! It's not like Harry Truman, for god's sake. The buck never stops with Clinton.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:57 AM
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53. Where's the link?
link


In the meantime, we have to watch the equivalent of a papal coronation, as the media and fans exhult in the Obama Messiah, the black Jesus come to save us. But sometime in the next four months, the excitement will fade as the reality of who Obama is comes out.

<...>

Now I know Obamaphiles will simply bend over and stick their head in their neighbor's ass and proclaim the putrid aroma as the heaven-sent breath of God. They will say this means nothing and is just carping.


What a classy way to support Hillary!

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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:07 AM
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58. Crying won't work against McCain...Only CLEAR choices between the nominees. Change is
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 10:08 AM by jmg257
coming, and it will do you good!
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:13 AM
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62. We are a cult
thats right :sarcasm:
Have some koolaide
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:15 AM
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63. Apparently doesn't buy the anti-war mantle either - are these RW talking points?:
"And don't start in with Obama's so-called opposition to the war. One damn speech really doesn't count. What counts is what he has done since coming to Washington. He hasn't joined the likes of Russ Feingold in pushing for an immediate withdrawal. He's played the politically safe game. I do not fault him for that. My beef is he thinks, rightly so, that most of the voters are too fucking dumb to realize that he is blowing smoke up their ass. Say one thing and do another."
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:23 AM
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67. Damn, you said it robbedvoter. Blowing smoke...
and a lot of folks getting high on it.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:16 AM
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64. Bringing on the negative campaigning by surrogates, I see.... n/t
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:16 AM
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65. Adding the link to it:
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:37 AM
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72. Another "your candidate is almost as bad as my candidate" post.
It's kind of sad, actually.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:39 AM
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74. And heeeeeere comes the negative campaigning Penn was talking about yesterday.
All vague predictions of later defeat.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:50 AM
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75. HONEYMOON??? Obama-bashers on DU have certainly shown THAT hasn't been the case!
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:20 AM
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76. I wasn't aware DU was considered the MSM
and that millions of Americans get their news from the constant bickering known as GDP.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:29 PM
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79. Well the attacks on both candidates here OFTEN cite MSM sources ... nt
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:31 PM
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80. Obama's teflon is better than Reagan's.
The poo lobbed at him just seems to bounce off and stick on the one who lobbed it. It's truly amazing.

When the OP writes "Obama: the honeymoon may just be over," I have to wonder if it's just wishful thinking. Indeed, the honeymoon may be over, or it might not. I see more evidence of not, personally.

-Laelth
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:50 PM
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81. The media has hyped him up so much that...
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 05:51 PM by butterfly77
a lot of his supporters won't even listen to anything Hillary says, they have not asked him a anything specific and will be blaming him when he can't do all that he is promising...Just because he wasn't there to for the Iraq vote that is suppose to give him a pass and make him president. A lot of the things he is saying now Hillary has been saying for years...
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miceelf Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:59 PM
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84. LOL
All of the criticisms of Obama, fake and true (and there are some of both in there) apply double to Clinton.

And, it's kind of sad that his republican neighbor expresses interest in a democratic politician, and he feels the need to change his mind about that.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:06 PM
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85. LOL that is a very weak case and untrue.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:54 PM
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86. what a viscious little man.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 07:32 PM by Whisp
these kinds of attacks are just bait for someone from Obama's side to talk dirty like that about Hillary.
then she can cry and win.

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:55 PM
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87. MSM Want's A Horse Race
that's what's going on.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:47 PM
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99. The corporate media is the propaganda arm of the much larger war-profiteering branch.
They want a corporate, war-friendly President.

They don't give a damn about a horse race.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:59 PM
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108. Yeah they run these.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:57 PM
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88. Is this from a published source?
If so, why does the misspelling "phenomenom" occur not once, but twice, in the lead sentence?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:57 PM
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89. "the disconnect between his rhetoric and how he actually votes."
Johnson is right. We need to look at what he does, not what he says based on who he is speaking to at a given time.
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:04 PM
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91. Larry Johnson=Taylor Marsh
He is just one big over the top Hillary shill. Nice try tho.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:06 PM
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92. More race-baiting crap from Clinton-backing PIGS.
"My neighbor, who is a prominent Republican lobbyist, was commenting the other day on the inspiring nature of the Obama campaign. He was repeating the positive vibe. I then asked him about issues such as Rezko and the disconnect between his rhetoric and how he actually votes. He was surprised and shocked. He said, "I haven't heard any of this." Obviously he's not a reader of NoQuarter. But he is a politically astute, well-informed guy. When he heard the true story of Obama's past (including Obama's Kenyan ties and muslim relatives). He flipped."

In the meantime, we have to watch the equivalent of a papal coronation, as the media and fans exhult in the Obama Messiah, the black Jesus come to save us.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:01 PM
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95. That's what struck me.
Since when is it so nefarious to have Kenyan and muslim relatives?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:02 PM
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96. When you oppose a white candidate like Clinton. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:07 PM
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106. Obama Messiah--yes there is some semblance.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:36 PM
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93. Bill Kristol
admires Obama....

need anyone say more?
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:43 PM
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94. Hi elixir.
DU copyright rules limit excerpts to 4 paragraphs & must include a link.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:54 PM
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101. Obama Messiah? Black Jesus?
What a load of filthy garbage. :puke:
Even heroes act like assholes sometimes.
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yeswecan08 Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:54 PM
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102. The Obama movement has already surpassed all previous political movements - it's permanent
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:01 PM
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107. You lost me by the third word in the article
eom
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:45 AM
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109. Larry Johnson is on the Wrong side of History
Couple of weeks and HRC the DLC Corporatist F%#$ will be HISTORY!

THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!!

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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:37 PM
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112. Kick the corporate whores out of the People's House!!!
***Couple of weeks and HRC the DLC Corporatist F%#$ will be HISTORY!***
:applause::applause::applause:
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:26 PM
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111. I'm not particularly an Obama supporter...........
However, his comment about Obama's Muslim connection really hit me wrong. What does that have to do with him and his ability to be president? Is he supposed to be guilty of something by associaion?
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