If he's too chicken to debate the mean ol' lady, will he have the guts to debate the mean ol' man?

[MethuenProgressive]

Poll question: If he's too chicken to debate the mean ol' lady, will he have the guts to debate the mean ol' man?

He presumes he's the nominee, and so needs to avoid risking anything by losing a debate to a woman.
So, if he's too chicken to debate the mean ol' lady, will he find enough courage to debate the mean ol' man?

edit to add link: Chicken?

[jakem]

1. what an infantile argument...

waaah! he wont debate us when we need the publicity!! wa!!!


laughable.

[MethuenProgressive]

5. You say Obama only consented to debate when he "needed the publicity"?

Perhaps you're right.

[jasmine621]

39. What did I miss? Did Obama refuse to debate Hil? When, where? nt

[MethuenProgressive]

40. See link in OP.

:hi:

[jakem]

48. oh please.

they debated 18 times, he agreed to 2 more. HRC wants more airtime as she has blown her budget.

campaign management 101. you are trying to invent new smears, and it is not pretty.

[lutefisk]

94. exactly...n/t

[HelenWheels]

85. They've debated 18 times

how many more do we need?

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[BeyondGeography]

2. Does the three-thread rule mean you have to be extra lame now?

[MethuenProgressive]

78. "lame" is insulting to the physically challenged, Geo.

For someone who professes sensitivity to insensitive remarks you appear hypocritical when you stoop to such language.

[berni_mccoy]

3. What, I thought only Obama Supporters Spread Hate Around here...

:sarcasm:

[NeedleCast]

4. 18 Debates so far, two more schedule

I think Obama has participated in plenty of debates and done well in the vast majority of them. Put Obama and McCain in a room together and there will be no question who the better debator is.

[Hugabear]

7. Obama should debate Hillary every single day

If Obama refuses to debate Hillary every single day, then he must be chicken, right? :sarcasm:

[K Gardner]

11. Yes, he's supposed to follow her around like a whipped puppy, ready

to debate on command wherever she decides she wants to go and with whatever network.. his OWN prearranged hectic schedule in ALL the states she is skipping and writing off as "not counting" be damned... or.. HE IS AFRAID !

They have to keep up this shallow and desperate meme because they've already put a negative attack ad out there portraying such. All the MSM aired the ad last night, along with the pathetic "debate me whenever I tell you to" argument.. all agreed it was a transparent ploy not likely to fool any voter. Only the desperate on DU will keep shouting it.

[MethuenProgressive]

8. Can we count on Obama to not back out?

Will he only consent to appear if he "needs publicity" as the post above suggests?

[Hugabear]

14. What the fuck is your point exactly?

We're talking about previously scheduled debates, not impromptu debates.

Seriously, why not demand that Obama just clear his schedule, stop campaigning, and debate Hillary every single day? After all, for Obama to refuse such a demand would show that he is chicken, right?

[MethuenProgressive]

106. ..

[Hugabear]

6. Did Obama back out of next week's debate?

Did I miss something, where Obama backed out of his scheduled debate with Hillary next week in Texas?

:sarcasm:

[hobbit709]

9. If it was a REAL debate-ala Lincoln-Douglas

Instead of a prescreened lame question and lamer answers session that we get now, I might even watch one. But I'm not holding my breath holding out for an actual debate.

[theboss]

90. They agree 90 percent of the time

Lincoln and Doulas had, you know, differences.

[Avalux]

10. There have been 18 freakin' debates. Two scheduled in Ohio and Texas.

What exactly is your point? Obama will crush McCain.

[earthside]

12. What? No CNN in Wisconsin?

The next week's debate on CNN being held in Texas should be available to the whole nation.

But it sounds like Clinton(s) is operating under the assumption that cable/satellite systems in Wisconsin are incapable of receive this telecast.

One thing you can take away from Clinton(s)'s whine about debates is that her campaign is indeed in big trouble. It is almost a law in politics that losers whine about there not being enough debates.

[Apollo11]

16. CNN Texas debate will take place AFTER the Wisconsin primary!

CNN Texas debate: Feb 21st

Wisconsin Primary: Feb 19th

Barack Obama: Chicken

[Hugabear]

18. So...fucking...what

These debates were scheduled in advance. Why should Obama have to arrange his schedule around Hillary's whims and desires? Why not have the two debate each other every single day? Hell, maybe Hillary could get her new friends at FOX to create a reality show featuring the two of them!

[Apollo11]

20. Learn to read

I was replying to post #12, posted by earthside.

Thanks for the tip! Curse words are cool! B-)

[Hugabear]

23. And I'm replying to YOUR post

If you had merely stated that the CNN debate was two days after the Wisconsin primary, it wouldn't be a big deal.

But then you threw in the charge that Obama was chicken, and posted a picture to emphasize your point.

So I guess that means you also believe that Obama should rearrange his busy schedule to accommodate Hillary's whims. If Hillary says she wants weekly debates, Obama better agree. Then if she decides she wants debates twice a week, then Obama better go along with that. Does that about sum it up? After all, if he's not chicken, then he'll agree to debate anywhere, anytime, on any network that Hillary sees fit!

[ihavenobias]

26. As opposed to someone who agrees to go on Fox News?

to give them credibility as a "news" organization despite all the progress that's been made at reducing their credibility in the last year.

And that progress was made primarily by Edwards and Obama standing up and refusing to legitimize that conservative opinion media station. http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/22158-fox-attacks-edwards-and-obama

Sadly, Hillary is willing to flush that down the toilet for her personal political gain. And if she *does* manage to win the nomination it will be quite fitting if Fox leads the charge to smear her. And hey the media *has* smeared her in many ways on non-substantive issues: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vmM2j8P55SA&feature=related

She'll stand up to MSNBC because of Schuster's ill advised but insanely overblown comment (if she had stoop up against Chris Matthews or Tucker Carlson who *actually* said truly offensive things about her I would understand) but Fox? Nah, they're ok: http://foxattacks.com/blog/28116-hillary-ignores-over-6-million-fox-attacks-viewers-agrees-to-debate-on-fox

[DS1]

28. Oh look, another schoolyard dipshit

[islandmkl]

13. it's amazing that you found the only TWO possible answer choices...

in this lame-ass 'poll'...why don't you waste your time just posting a long, uninformed, factless rant so we can all at least get a laugh?

[CanonRay]

15. What a stupid post.

[dmallind]

17. Doesn't need to - would be silly

Why risk any change in campaign dynamics when it's working for him? If the TX and OH polls stay favoring HRC closer in to 3/4 then maybe he'll do one or two to see if it can shift, but whyc change now? that would be a dumbass tactical move. The more BO focuses on McCAin and Republicans and the less he mentions or interacts with HRC, the more cemented the image of him as presumptive nominee will be. Why remind people this is still a race when he doesn't need to make up ground any more?

[Kittycat]

19. Here's a thought... How about HRC actually got to wisconsin to meet the voters

and campaign. Instead of spending all her time in TX, and running the most idiotic ads I've ever seen?

Isn't she having money problems? And this is the best she could do with her money???

[vireo]

104. Here you go!

02/16: Join Hillary at the Brat Stop
02/17: Join Hillary "Solutions for America" Town Hall in De Pere
02/17: "Solutions for America" Rally in Madison with Hillary
02/18: Join Hillary for a "Solutions for America" town hall in Eau Claire
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/wisconsin/

[BigDDem]

21. Present

[GoldieAZ49]

22. Obama will need to debate McCain to win - He doesn't need to debate Hillary

AGAIN to win

Maybe she could go on TV and cry about, try for the sympathy vote, AGAIN

[jmg257]

24. Hillary who? Why let HER run HIS campaign...she is LOSING! Bigger target now - McCain.

[Benhurst]

25. Obama is not as effective debating as he is reading one of Ted Sorenson's

speeches. He's ahead now. Why should he risk debating Hillary, who is a better debater? That's the way the game is played, "New" politics not withstanding. As always, such determinations are not necessarily in the best interests of an informed populace, but when has that ever been a major consideration by the partisans in any election?

[DS1]

27. No, he's too busy strangling babies and selling meth to kids

Poor angelic Hillary. All voted up for war, and nowhere to brag about it.

[Jamastiene]

29. Bwak, bwak, bwak, Bwak Obama. n/t

I could not resist. :evilgrin:

[JackORoses]

30. just when you thought the 3 thread limit had worked, in comes MethusinProgressive to prove you wrong

[Forkboy]

32. We need a three word limit on some of these bozos.

[MethuenProgressive]

36. You're seven over.

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

43. ZING

That was good, and you even kept it to the desired three word minimum. It clearly works in your favor, so you should keep it up. I did you a favor. :)

[MethuenProgressive]

92. ...

[rodeodance]

67. once again, the Obama people show their lack of intelligence --they would rather

snark this thread than engage in a discussion.

[Forkboy]

73. Once again, someone jumps to the conclusion that I'm a supporter of someone I'm not.

Because they are the blinded ones who lack intelligence and can only see through of prism of "pro my candidate" and "anti your candidate".

And the OP just oozes with intelligence and well reasoned debate. :eyes:

[Forkboy]

31. Shouldn't you still be on the monkey bars in the playground?

[BigDDem]

33. Nothing says "CHANGE!"

like I'm ahead, therefore I wont debate.

Coward.

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[MethuenProgressive]

37. Exactly, BigDDem. Great post!

:applause:

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[MethuenProgressive]

84. ...

[HeraldSquare212]

34. She knows how good he is with crowds and wants to keep him in a studio,

which is her comfort level for interaction with voters. That Hillary - 1984 ad was quite prescient.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

91. ding ding ding

you got it exactly right.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. Obama's already challenged McCain to a debate.

Way to stay in touch, MP.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

41. Bravo Sierra post

He has debated Hillary *at least 15 times* and were Hillary running with more money, delegates, and momentum I can guarantee she would not debate Obama any more...

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[GumboYaYa]

45. This is one of the dumbest negative attacks I have ever seen.

If you are going to go negative, it better be good. They will have debated 20 times by the end of his primary season. The only conclusion to draw from that is that he must be scared to debate.

It is just hilarious how quickly a candidate's supporters jump on board with campaign nonsense that clearly defies reality. I bet this one backfires.

[MethuenProgressive]

55. His ducking out of the Wisconsin debate is smart, positive, and shows courage?

How so?

[GumboYaYa]

83. Watch how this dumb attack plays out in WI.

It is going to backfire on Hillary. She is demonstrating that she is an old school politician with this negative turn, in a year where change is the big motivation.

The negatives from this stupid move will extend into TX and Ohio.

[weezy2736]

97. oops

miss do

[MethuenProgressive]

46. "will he have the guts to debate the mean ol' man?" 74% have voted "No" so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzGbj_ERlJ0
Only Clinton had the nerve to accept the invitation to debate in Wisconsin?
I'm not surprised.

[Hugabear]

49. That is such a load of BULLSHIT, yet you keep spreading it

I notice you haven't responded to any of the posts saying that Obama and Hillary have already had 18 debates, with more already scheduled! Obama hasn't backed out of any debates.

Whoever wins the Democratic nomination, do you think it would be acceptable to allow McCain to set the debate schedule?

[MethuenProgressive]

51. Only one of those votes is mine.

Why do you think he ducked out of the Wisconsin debate? Because he's so courageous?

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[oasis]

47. Sorry, Obama's soaring rhetoric doesn't work well in debates. Those pesky details

that he stumbles through makes him seem unqualified for the position he seeks.

[MethuenProgressive]

52. He'll do OK if all the questions can be answered by leading a cheer.

:hi:

[Hugabear]

54. Oh please

This is really unbecoming of you. Like Hillary has never lead a cheer at any of her campaigns. Really, what do you expect from Obama's supporters, that they should be a bunch of emotionless noodles?

[Bad Thoughts]

50. As per Clinton's thinking ...

WI voters can make an informed decision based upon previous debates and media coverage. Isn't that why there were "fair" primaries in FL and MI?

[WilyWondr]

56. debate the mean ol' lady again?

Why?

18 so far has been more than enough.

If her message is not getting out it is her campaign's fault.

[Jed Dilligan]

57. Thanks

I knew there was one more person I needed to add to my ignore list.

[MethuenProgressive]

58. You're Welcome! Thanks for the kick!

[Hill_YesWeWill]

59. What, did Obama cancel the 2 remaining debates?

Or, would you like there to be a debate everyday? Maybe Obama couldn't fit in anymore than 2 more debates because he's busy campaigning?

I read somewhere that because of money troubles Clinton is trying to get free publicity, and seeing how debates work well for her, it makes sense to me. But, Obama has no obligation to anymore debates, seeing as they've already had so many, and he has still agreed to 2 more, which I think is more than enough!

I can see how Hillary supporters would like for there to be a debate everyday so that she gets free publicity and Obama is kept from meeting the voters, which seems to always get him support. Hillary just wants free publicity, and you know what, he's giving it to her, so in my mind, you should be happy. Why aren't you happy, he's debating her two more times!

[MethuenProgressive]

60. No, just ducked the Wisconsin one before the Wisconsin Primary. See link in OP.

Ducking the debate is "courageous" I guess?

[rodeodance]

61. Wisconsin votes are not happy with this--they think he does not care enough

to show up for the debate.

[MethuenProgressive]

62. DU's Obamas might think it doesn't matter, but Democrats in Wisconsin don't agree.

That's why they invited both candidates to a debate.

[rodeodance]

64. yes,

[Hill_YesWeWill]

68. But what do you think about Hillary not even being in the state yet?

How about her going to Texas Before Wisconsin?

That would bother me, I don't know about you.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the debates, and I don't necessarily think debates always o in Hillary's favor, I just think there have already been a Whole lot, like more than 20 right?

I know they just scheduled a debate pretty close to me, which I was Very excited about, But, I just found out yesterday that it's not open to the public, so now I'm pissed!

[Hugabear]

63. How far in advance was this debate planned?

You still haven't addressed the fact that he's already debated 18 times, with two more debates scheduled. How exactly is he "afraid" to debate?

[MethuenProgressive]

65. The invitation from Wisconsin Democrats went out early enough for Clinton to accept.

How exactly is ducking this pre-Wisconsin Primary debate "fearless"?
The date on the "Clinton accepts invite, no word from Obama" clipping in the ad is Feb 9th.
The Primary is the 19th. ABC's George Stephanopoulos is the moderator.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

71. Well, on the other debates we've a;ready had, how soon did the candidates accept?

And, out of all the debates that have been suggested or candidates have been invited, how many of those worked out?

We must assume that not All of the debates ever planned were able to work,

Does anybody know the facts on this?

I'd be especially interested in knowing how soon the candidates have agreed and planned on debates in the past, because if anyone called me up today and told me they Expect me to be somewhere in a few weeks, I'd have to check my calendar before I could commit, and I'm sure Obama has a bit more hectic schedule than me!

[rodeodance]

66. too bad--he dissed WI voters--not sitting well with many.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

81. Speaking of ducking Wisconsin...

:rofl:

[Hill_YesWeWill]

69. I see ignored! Not you Methuan or you Paint, just wanted to let whoever

I'm ignoring know that I can't see their post, so that's why I'm not replying, sorry!

[MethuenProgressive]

76. I see lots of "name removed" - that guy always shows up in threads that don't Praise Obama!

:rofl:

[MethuenProgressive]

80. ...

:hi:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

70. you debate when you're behind or losing steam. period. i'd rather admire the acumen than

question the stupidity, even if it showed "courage."
By the way, his message is razor sharp now. he'd beat all comers, and will, I hope, but only when he has to.

[MethuenProgressive]

72. So all the debates so far have been just for those "behind or losing steam"?

Odd. I seem to remember the two candidates left were at those debates.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

79. yes, but only one of them had the sense to only debate while trailing the other....

which he isn't now, by the way. Don't worry, if he's still behind in a week or two in TX or Ohio or PA, you'll get another debate, unless Hillary wisely shuts him out.

I'm not suggesting this is best for democracy--just for campaigning.

[AtomicKitten]

74. With the 19th debate, add Sweet and Sour Pork. (nt)

[goodhue]

75. It's not a matter of being chicken

eom

[Hugabear]

77. Thanks

Simplistic people tend to come up with simplistic reasons. Obama doesn't accept an invitation for a hastily arranged debate, therefore he must be "chicken".

[intaglio]

82. Ah, yes; the do what I want an if you don't

or I'll thcream and thcream until I'm thick (to quote Violet Elizabeth Bott)

[MadHound]

86. Amazing how you can say this when Obama has gone head to head with Hillary for eighteen debates

And has two more scheduled. Your argument and insults are not factual, and lame on top of it.

This whole debate issue is one cooked up by the Clinton camp because they are running short on money. They don't have the cash to go head to head with Obama on the paid ad front, so they cook up this debate non-issue in order to hopefully trick Obama into giving Hillary some free air time. However Obama is much smarter than that, and apparently much smarter than Hillary. He's not going to bail Hillary's ass out on this one. Instead he is going to continue to force the Hillary campaign to buy ad time and bleed their coffers dry in the process. A smart, savvy tactic, one that Hillary is desperately trying to stop, hoping that Obama is as foolish as she is. He isn't, so she and her supporters are going to whine like little kids. Sad, really.

[MethuenProgressive]

87. "head to Head"? The other candidates ducked those debate invitations?

Obama should respect the Democrats of Wisconsin, and accept their invitation to debate before their primary.

[MadHound]

96. Oh, and give Hillary a bunch of free air time too, right?

That is after all what this whole ploy is about. You can try and spin it anyway you want, but the fact of the matter is that these calls for endless debates is because Hillary is desperate for free airtime, especially since she has managed her campaign so poorly and is short on funds.

[Imagevision]

88. After 18 past debates what more can be debated?!? Obama right on with hanging with the peeps...

besides, Hillary wants endless debates because she's low on cash, she just loaned her self 5 million and within 24 hours raises 10 million --> but! after repaying her own loan she's back to 5 mill again.
Nothing personal? but Hillary needs to get back to New York and do some serious work...

[MethuenProgressive]

89. Obama's "Fuck You" to Democrats in Wisconsin won't help him there.

I think Clinton should show up and debate an empty chair.
Empty suit, empty chair... no big diff.

[weezy2736]

98. But that would mean she would have to go to Wisconsin

isn't there some sort of law that prohibits that? No? Wow... so she decided just to skip Wisconsin, save some nasty advertising. That's a solid strategy.

[Orangepeel]

93. Stupid flame bait. Like McCain will agree to debate 20 times.

:eyes:

[Laurab]

95. It's nice to know you think it will be Obama debating McCain

I do, too. After he wins the primary, of course.

I don't think he's "chicken" at all, I think he's smart. AS IF Hillary would ask for debates (a/k/a free air time), if she were in his position. You know better - you must think DU'ers are really stupid.

[MethuenProgressive]

99. If Obama ducks debating Clinton, he's a shoo in. If he debates her and loses like usual...

he's exposed as an empty suit.

[miceelf]

100. LOL

yeah, he's afraid. That's why he debated 18 times, and is debating two more times.

Apparently, 21 is the tipping points for debates where you prove you're brave.


But please god, if I have to sit through 20 debates involving McCain, I just might do something drastic.

[IronLionZion]

101. 20 debates isn't enough for you?

:nopity: You are afraid that your candidate will lose.

[MethuenProgressive]

105. Obama's "Fuck You" to the Wisconsin Democratic Party is enough for me.

"Run Away!" isn't going to win him any votes in Wisconsin.

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