Clinton's bouncing back!

[PresidentObama]

Leading by big margins in PA and OH. Up 21 points in Ohio and 18 points in PA.

In Texas, the last poll I saw she was leading by 10 points or so.

In WI, where she's expected to lose...she's closing the gap with two polls show it with in a few points. Not a big margin of victory for Obama, Hillary could still pick up quite a few delegates from that state.

We've got some promising signs, and while some on this board are desperately trying to nail the last nail shut on Hillary's non-existent coffin...

She's bouncing back!

Go Hillary!!

[Rock_Garden]

1. I can actually feel it. Go Hillary!

[sloppyjoe25s]

80. A win by 10 pts in Texas would be a DISASTER for Clinton

She needs a minimum of 20 points in both states - but realistically - given the demographics - she should EXPECT 30-40 point margins in her favor. She has a very strong Machine - and it should deliver Huge margins for her in these states.

I hope we can hold her to less than 20 point victory in these states. Anything even near 20 but under would be a big win for Obama.

I think she has likely VERY big margins in these states. like 30-40 points.

If she can do 30-40 point margins in all 3 - then she will be back on her feet for sure.

[Rock_Garden]

91. You make some good points, but a win is still a win, all in all.

[sloppyjoe25s]

98. Oh I agree.... I just expect her to Win Huge in Texas

She is really putting in monster resources and time there, and has unbelievable advantages.

Obama has been winning by 30-40 point margins too but, I'm pretty sure she will have at least a 30 point margin of victory in Texas. I hope not, but it is what I expect at this point. Unless Obama can do something new and spectacular to reach out into her strongholds.

[D23MIURG23]

121. Proportional delegation makes the magnitude of a win more important.

A virtual tie pretty much splits the delegates. HRC needs margins like that to close the lead Obama has opened on her.

[displacedtexan]

101. Turnout will tell the TX tale. 34 electoral votes at stake Nov. 4th.

If both Dems can make a strong showing in the TX primary, we can
force R's to dump a ton of cash into the GE race there; however, this
time I think people won't fall for that R crap.

[rodeodance]

124. so can I. It has been a good day folks. We needed some cheer.

[jefferson_dem]

2. Yes! Resistance is ... futile?

:shrug:

Good luck.

[PresidentObama]

4. Leading in the next few big states is...victory!

[RiverStone]

117. And yet - Obama TODAY jumped to his biggest lead yet...

In this presidential tracking poll:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history

[liberalnurse]

31. Ohio is smart.

O8) Luck is not necessary.

[JackORoses]

102. hopefully smarter than you

[RummyTheDummy]

119. Yeah, they were real smart in 2004 handing another 4 years to shit head.

[goldcanyonaz]

Love having you on Hillary's side, kerry2008.

:hug:

[PresidentObama]

5. Aw, thanks. Now onto victory, pal.

:toast:

[BlackVelvet04]

54. I couldn't agree more...

what a great bunch of people the Hillary supporters are!

:grouphug:

[rox63]

3. She's always been ahead in those states - This is nothing new

And if she's ahead by 10 in TX, that's a decrease from the lead she had earlier.

[PresidentObama]

8. If she's ahead, why are some so eager to say she's already lost?

The nomination process is far from over, and some are wanting to start the Obama nomination victory party prematurely.

[JackORoses]

103. because she has to win all 3 big states with 60% to have a chance.

not gonna happen.

[rodeodance]

123. THE BOUNCE IS ON--SHE IS PLAYING HARDBALL

[JackORoses]

136. you'll believe anything Mark Penn says, won't you?

People will reject Hillary even more now that they see negativity and rule-bending is the only way she can win.

I will laugh in your face the day she withdraws from the race. See you soon.

[gaiilonfong]

11. The Hillbots applauding new polls

now that she is ahead, but she always was ahead SO WHAT

[PresidentObama]

14. And? Some are pretending this is over, it's not.

Obama is going to win WI.

But not by the huge margins he has in the past.

Which means Hillary is probably going to get a good number of delegates.

Add that with big victories in PA, OH, and TX...

And this race is ON!!

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. "The huge margins he has in the past???'

Clinton was leading Wisconsin two weeks ago.

[PresidentObama]

26. I'm talking about like he did in other states, like Nebraska. He's not going to win by huge margins.

Chill out, and put what I said into context.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. I'm totally chill

You seem to be the one who is, er, fired up. And ready to go...

So the big plus of Wisconsin is that Hillary won't get blown out of the water as she did in NV, WA, LA, VA, MD? OK. Gotcha.

[PresidentObama]

48. Yep, she's closed the gap in WI. And will win in PA, OH and TX.

Glad you're up to speed.

And I hate that "chill" word. WTF does it even mean?

Sheesh. I'm in college, and I still don't understand the lingo people use these days lol.

[WilyWondr]

92. "she's closed the gap in WI"

Is this 1984 doublespeak or what?

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/wisconsin.html

Date: 2/11
Added: 2/13/08

Barack Obama 50%
Hillary Clinton 39%
-------------------------
Date: 2/8-10
Added: 2/13/08

Barack Obama 45%
Hillary Clinton 41%
-------------------------
Date: 2/6-7
Added: 2/9/08

Hillary Clinton 50%
Barack Obama 41%
------------------------
Mid-date: 12/8/2007
Added: 12/13/07

Hillary Clinton 36%
Barack Obama 29%
John Edwards 12%
Bill Richardson 6%
Joe Biden 5%
Dennis Kucinich 1%
Chris Dodd 1%


Are you really not able to see the trend?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

107. oooh, all those numbing numbers! what do they mean? what do they mean?

heh heh. again, with the facts, eh? THEY DON'T WORK. Facts do not matter to true believers. Convincing a Hillarian of an unpleasant fact is like trying to convince a religious nut that the earth is NOT flat, and it is far older than 6,017 years. It cannot be done.

[rodeodance]

125. it means you best not COUNT YOUR CHICKIES BEFORE THEY ARE HATCHED

[ChairmanAgnostic]

126. I lost count of the chickies long before I realized that counting was rude.

and inappropriate.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

53. (psst. You're using them "facts" again.)

[PresidentObama]

56. Facts? Like the worst is over for HRC, and onto victory.

I'm fired up, and ready to go.

Oh...Yes, We Can!!

:)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

60. lo siento, pero no se puede.

porque? La Senora Clinton.

[RummyTheDummy]

120. There were no huge margins in Wisconsin for Obama

He was ahead by 4 points last week and he's ahead by 4 this week. No change, but nice attempt at spin. Meanwhile, she led by 17 in Ohio last week and now leads by 14. Again, nice attempt at spin.

[BlackVelvet04]

57. another un-housebroken puppy pissing in the floor. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

55. Go poop in your own yard. n/t

[my3boyz]

6. Bouncing back???? She has ALWAYS led the polls in Ohio and PA!

[PresidentObama]

10. Bouncing back as in she'll win Ohio, PA, and Texas. Victories= bouncing back.

I'm confident she'll win all three.

[Straight Shooter]

7. I love your posts! You sum up your enthusiasm very nicely.

:thumbsup:

[PresidentObama]

16. Thanks you! n/t

[Cameron27]

9. Never underestimate Clinton's ability

to bounce back from defeat!

[Abacus]

15. Yep. Obama supporters getting too complacent. /nt

[HeraldSquare212]

12. You're saying she was down in those states before? nt

edit: typo

[PresidentObama]

20. No I'm saying the worst is over for Hillary, now onto victory!

[JimGinPA]

13. I'm Glad This Wasn't....

A thread about her being obese.

:blush:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. god i hope she wins this.

hoping and praying and donating.

[DangerDave921]

49. praying?

Does God have a favorite in this race?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

51. well as an atheist i feel like praying is mostly comfort to oneself

since god is imaginary.

[Iceburg]

18. The comeback kid -- Rise Hillary Rise /nt

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

19. Sorry, nope. Not nationally, not in Texas, not in Wisconsin, and

not in Ohio or PA either after B heads in. The MO is she leads before he visits, he leads after he visits and they've voted.

[thevoiceofreason]

21. I'm working for your opponent

But here's to a good race through April

[PresidentObama]

24. I'll drink to that, thevoiceofreason.

:toast:

[Hill_YesWeWill]

22. Yay! I think the Obama people were getting a little overconfident, and this is going to wake them

up! This is GOOD news for the Obama camp, I hope that these polls are widely reported!

[Olney Blue]

25. What a race! This is truly historic and I'm proud to be a Dem.

[PresidentObama]

27. Me too.

We're making history!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. I know she will be the one if Obama wasn't so afraid to debate...her health care policy trounces his

[ORDem]

34. They've debated like 18 times. Afraid? n/t

[PresidentObama]

37. How many of those were one-on-one. Yes, afraid!

[LisaM]

61. They've debated one on one exactly ONCE.

She did quite well and I don't think he's anxious to repeat the experience, frankly. He prefers being the arena rock star.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

77. it's the kool aid....they can't get it...it's not their fault

[JimGinPA]

46. "Challenging Your Opponent To Debate When You Think You're In Trouble Is A Time Honored Tactic"

Bob Shrum

[PresidentObama]

50. If so, why is Obama afraid of going one-on-one?

[JimGinPA]

63. Do You Have A Reading Comprehension Problem...

Or do you just mindlessly type the same thing over and over ignoring what you're responding to? Hillary begging for debates is a sign a weakness. She should have to borrow money for more info-mercials.

[PresidentObama]

64. I'll say it one more time so you can understand: What's he afraid of?

[JimGinPA]

70. I Know You Are - But What Am I?

You really are thick! He agreed to debates in Texas & Ohio. He declines the 21st debate in WI and somehow you contort that into fear? Thanks for playing.


:shrug:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

72. not having Ted Sorensen there to fed him words of hopeness and having inferior repuke ideas

[zonkers]

137. Nothing. He's all business.

[JackORoses]

105. she doesn't have a Helathcare policy, it's a Health Insurance policy.

if you knew the difference, you would realize her plan sucks.

[rodeodance]

129. Yes. that is what is is called--as is Obama's. Happy??

[Raffi Ella]

29. Woo.GO HILL

[NJSecularist]

30. Bouncing back?

She's always had big leads in those states. Simply because of Bill.

[PresidentObama]

38. Bouncing back as in, worst is over. Victory is upon us.

You know: Go Hillary, go!!

:)

[NJSecularist]

42. You are talking about two specific states. Not the general race.

She neer bounced back in these races. She has always had large leads, especially in early polling, in these states.

She has always been expected to win these states.

She has not "bounced back".

In fact, she is losing momentum by the day in Ohio, which is her firewall and the state that plays to her demographics.

[PresidentObama]

44. Whatever you say. She's bouncing back. And will win PA, OH, and TX. And close the gap in WI.

Whats the matter?

Don't like competition.

[bowens43]

32. There is nothing sadder then seeing people

who call themselves Democrats cheering the destruction of our party. Hillary will be our Bush.

[PresidentObama]

41. Excuse me? Destruction of our party won't come from Hillary.

It'll come from people like you who will refuse to vote for her if nominated because you don't like her and she isn't *your* candidate of choice.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

68. Funny Ive seen more than one

Hillbot say they will not vote for Obama if he is nominated..

[PresidentObama]

71. And I've seen some JRE supporters say they won't vote now they he's out.

But those are in small numbers.

A lot of people are suggesting they won't vote for Hillary.

Which is just stupid.

[LanternWaste]

81. I'm sure there are a few things much sadder than that...

I'm sure there are a few things much sadder than that. For example, a Democrat who criticizes and denigrates (in an awkwardly back-handed fashioned) other Democrats for supporting a different candidate and calling that "the destruction of our party".

Yup... that's pretty sad, too.

[anamandujano]

87. Going through the stable democratic process=destruction????

This is the way Obama people think? That is sad.

[SteppingRazor]

33. But is this more of the same?

She's ahead in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania ... she also won California and New York. And instead of trying to bring down the hammer in these large states, Obama is killing her campaign with a dozen tiny cuts in smaller states.

What happens after Texas and Ohio? I'll even give Hillary a possible win in the closed primary in Wyoming on March 8, though Obama has a sure-thing in Mississippi two days later. Then comes Pennsylvania.

And then? What will Hillary be doing through May and June, while Obama is banking victories everywhere from North Carolina to Montana?

The big Achilles Heel of Hillary's 2008 primary campaign has been her inability to campaign effectively in small states. Wins in Texas, Ohio and Penn., especially close wins do nothing to ameliorate that if Obama keeps winning 60+ points in all the smaller states.

[rodeodance]

127. its been snowing in WI--soft snow on the blue pines. quiet soft snow.

[SteppingRazor]

138. And the price of tea in China is going up.

:P

[Obamaniac]

35. Do you have sources for these polls?

I don't know why I sense this hysterical feeling coming from the Clinton campaign and her supporters. Kind of like Hitler in that bunker when he was trying to convince everyone that they could still win.

[Name removed]

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[KAZ]

62. Please do not compare ANY DEMS to Hitler.

You're new here, so let me warn ya that crap like that will quickly get you tombstoned.

[anamandujano]

89. Par for the course with these guys.

[emilyg]

78. You have a twisted mind.

[LanternWaste]

83. Only thirty five posts in before the requisite...

Only thirty five posts in before the requisite (and inelegant) indirect comparison of one candidate's supporters to those of Hitler...

[hell-bent]

85. Yeah, how about

this site? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html Is there a cold fear coming upon you that the Messiah may not be the chosen one after all? :rofl:

[thevoiceofreason]

36. Might be the dreaded Dead Cat Bounce

*** No animals were involved or harmed in the writing of this post.****

[The_Casual_Observer]

40. Perhaps Obama is peaking out. It wouldn't surprise me.

[PresidentObama]

45. Perhaps. Interesting point n/t

[emilyg]

79. More and more

I hear questions as to what "hope" and "change" stands for.

[JackORoses]

114. of course you hear it, that is the new Hillarite talking point

[Auntie Bush]

47. What a smile you just put on my face!

I'd give you a heart if I had anymore. I'd need to donate a couple hundred dollars in order to everyone who deserves one.
Here's the best I can do. :loveya:

[PresidentObama]

52. I'll settle for a hug.

:hug: Hugs for Hillary!

[Marie26]

58. That's good...

but it's not enough.

[RiverStone]

59. She will bounce when or if the voters give it to her...

For the moment and mybe longer, Obama is the one with the BoUnCe - I call that 8 straight wins!

Polls are very different from votes.

[book_worm]

65. Luckily Obama hasn't really started to campaign in Ohio

and has a couple of more weeks until the primary and a WI win (if it comes) should give him added momentum.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

66. Also bouncing back: Mondale, Hart, McGovern, Dukakis.

[PresidentObama]

74. Comparing Clinton to Mondale and Dukakis? Wow, how desperate and lame.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

88. just making the point about current political fortunes....

...sarcasm involved.

[Horse with no Name]

67. I spoke with a friend (female) in Canada last night

and the first thing she said was "Pleaseeeeeeeeee tell me that Hillary is winning in Texas" :rofl:

[rodeodance]

[rodeodance]

130. :-)

[libertee]

69. well we did need the past weekends winter entertainment in the Potomac

[AtomicKitten]

73. Clinton walked in the door, took off her coat, and was at 50%.

She isn't "bouncing back" ... she is fighting to maintain the lead she had from day #1.

[PresidentObama]

76. She is fighting alright, and she's tough as nails.

Clinton is going to win OH, TX, and PA with ease.

And close the gap in WI.

The worst is over for Hillary Rodham Clinton, and now onto victory she goes!!



....And hello, AK :)

[MadBadger]

96. What's the date on those polls?

Then try and tell me she bounced back.

[emilyg]

75. Thanks for good news.

Go Hillary.

[goodgd_yall]

82. Yes! Reports of Clinton's defeat are premature, to say the least.

I wonder if all the talk about the eventuality of an Obama nomination is galvanizing Clinton supporters.

[MadBadger]

84. How on Earth does this show she bounced back?

[hell-bent]

90. Well, perhaps she was always

in contention;however, you strange people jumped to conclusions based on stories from the Whore Media.

[MadBadger]

94. ?

[anamandujano]

86. In these later states, voters have heard the Obama speech and have grown tired

of the same mind-numbing slogans. Some get lulled to sleep, some fight lapsing into the semi-coma and go elsewhere.

[JackORoses]

106. noone can fall asleep at a Hillary speech because her voice sounds like nails on a chalkboard

[rodeodance]

133. that is cause you are in a SWOON state of being.

[Drunken Irishman]

93. Actually, no.

Hillary's lead in Ohio has slipped a lot over the past month, as the last poll only had Obama coming in with 19%. Also, Hillary had a 9 point lead in Wisconsin just a few weeks ago and an 18 point lead in Texas at the start of January. So from the looks of it, she's slipping a lot.

[elixir]

95. I knew this would happen. Go Hillary, go!!!!!

[NoBorders]

97. A decrease in a lead is 'bouncing back'?

She's led those states the whole time, but her leads have diminished there--how is that described as bouncing back? Yeah, I know, it's a bit of good news for HRC's campaign to pump up. I personally don't consider her down-and-out by any means.

[FogerRox]

99. Yawn, Hillary will need about 70% of the pledged delegates

in the upcoming primaries to finish with a lead. Yes its possible.

[Kurovski]

100. I even went to YouTube,

but I still don't see Clinton's bouncing back anywhere online.

[Occam Bandage]

104. So, er, a narrowing lead in states she has to win 60%+ is "bouncing back"?

[Hoof Hearted]

108. K & R Baby! ~ALL FIRED-UP FOR THE LADY~ . ~WOOO HOOO!~

Thanks for this great news!

[Thrill]

109. She should be leading. Obama has yet to campaign there

And she has the name and a popular US President by her side. Lets see where it is after Obama hits Ohio!!

[jackson_dem]

110. YES WE CAN!!!!

[grandpappy]

111. Hello and chill people

This is  my first post so be be gentile with this DU virgin.

Mrs. Clinton showed up yesterday in eastern Ohio and Mr. Obama
hasn't been here yet.  He is just starting to get his people
together right now in the Youngstown area.  As is Mrs. Clinton

I happen to live right on the border of Ohio and Pa and get
the best and worst of both states.  I'm fortunate enough to be
able to listen to opinions from each state.

If the Nafta trade agreement comes up, which I am sure it
will, Mrs. Clinton will be in trouble.  The local talk shows
are filled with hatred of Bill for Nafta.  She will have a
hard time defending it in those communities where the trade
agreement has effected the local economy

True she may do very well in the western part of Ohio but the
eastern part of the state will decide the election in Ohio. 
Cleveland, Youngstown, Akron-Canton, Stubenville are the hot
beds in the east. Many of these cities have been hit very hard
with loss of jobs, while the western part of the state has
been the boom area of Ohio. 

As for Pennsylvania we have Pittsburgh and Philly which are
Democratic hot beds and the BIG (T), the center of the state
and across the northern border, which is republican hot beds. 
Which ever way Pitt and Philly goes will be the way the state
goes.  With our governor backing Mrs. Clinton it may hurt her
more than help, fast Eddy isn't liked that well.  

As far as polls go they truly don't show the opinions of many
people in these areas.  

[rug]

118. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

I live in NE PA and I think the race will be decided here April 22.

[applegrove]

112. Give em hell Hill!

[Perry Logan]

113. Oh Hell. This means the Obama people are going to start throwing up again.

I like them much better when they're gloating. They're only mildly odious when they gloat.

[ronnykmarshall]

115. She should drop out and endorse Obama.

For the sake of the party, the nation, the world and the universe.

:sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

131. i almost was ready to give you the cricket post:-)

[rodeodance]

132. i almost was ready to give you the cricket post:-)

[high density]

116. Call me up when she has a 25-30% lead... NM

[D23MIURG23]

122. I would read a few successive polls and look at trends before concluding that.

[DUyellow]

128. Bookmarked

I'll come back for this one.

[rodeodance]

134. NBC even news ACTUALLY just reported: **Clinton Wins N.M. Caucus Vote

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Feb 14, 5:24 PM EST-Clinton Wins N.M. Caucus Vote
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3182595#3182595
3182595, Feb 14, 5:24 PM EST-Clinton Wins N.M. Caucus Vote
Posted by katty on Thu Feb-14-08 04:32 PM

Source: AP

Feb 14, 5:24 PM EST


Clinton Wins N.M. Caucus Vote

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NEW_MEXICO_CAUCUSES?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=news_generic.htm


ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) -- New Mexico's Democratic party chairman announces Thursday that Hillary Rodham Clinton won the state's Democratic caucus.

A marathon vote-count that went on for nine days after the Feb. 5 election ultimately added one more delegate to her total. That gives Clinton 14 delegates from New Mexico to 12 for her rival Sen. Barack Obama.



Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NEW_MEXICO_CAUCUSES?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=news_generic.htm

[ZinZen]

135. And Obama's ground troops have just set foot

on the ground. I wouldn't go whooping for Hillary yet, we still have three weeks.