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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:23 PM
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"Clinton aides and donors say the candidate herself never expected Obama to be so competitive"

Pressure mounting on Hillary's campaign

BY GLENN THRUSH | glenn.thrush@newsday.com 9:29 PM EST, February 13, 2008

After eight coast-to-coast blowout losses since Super Tuesday, Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign is hastily retooling and adjusting to the unpleasant reality that it now needs to run a nearly flawless race to overcome Barack Obama's lead among "pledged" delegates allocated through primaries and caucuses.

"The only way she could do it is by winning most of the rest of the contests by 25 to 30 points," said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe. "Even the most creative math really does not get her, ever, back to even in terms of pledged delegates."

Clinton's road ahead is a hard one, but insiders say there's still hope if Clinton regains her mojo with women and working-class whites; sweeps Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania; keeps a grip on her super delegates; contests a handful of small states and goes negative -- carefully -- on Obama.

"At this point you really have to walk people through the logic that there really is a path to victory for her," said Hassan Nemazee, Clinton's national finance chairman, who says fundraising is brisk despite a trio of humiliating defeats on Tuesday in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia. "But the truth is that she can still win."

The problem is that Obama's momentum is no longer being measured by the size or enthusiasm of his crowds -- but by his advantage in overall delegates and in dollars.

Clinton aides and donors say the candidate herself never expected Obama to be so competitive, so her staff never created a backup plan when she failed to put him away on Feb. 5. "It just came down to arrogance -- arrogance got in their way," says Steve Hildebrand, who led Obama's field operation.

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The reality is Hillary's campaign viewed these states, all 23 of them, as insignificant.

Why Is Clinton’s Back Against Wall? Nobody Prepared

‘We Didn’t Put Any Resources In Small States,’ Says Finance Chair Hassan Nemazee

by Jason Horowitz | February 12, 2008

“What’s gone wrong is very simple,” said Hassan Nemazee, a national finance chair for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

“If we had won Iowa and New Hampshire, as we had anticipated, projected, et cetera, you would not have been in a situation in which you are losing all of these small states—because we didn’t put any resources in those small states,” he said. “Obama, on the other hand, put resources in these small states.”

Compounding the damage of the bad defeats in Iowa, and then South Carolina, Mr. Nemazee explained, was the lack of the necessary foresight to invest the campaign’s resources in the states that Mrs. Clinton’s rival, Barack Obama, is now gobbling up as fuel for his ever more threatening momentum.

“You needed to have a Plan B, and Plan B was just doing what we are doing right now rather than having resources in the small states,” he said. “We basically ceded every one of these small red states that he has racked up victories in. And the reason that he has racked up victories at this level isn’t because he was so much more well received, or because his message was any better; it was because we didn’t put any resources in there. We weren’t campaigning there. We didn’t have anybody in Utah, in Idaho, in the Dakotas. In Alaska.”

On Feb. 12, the picture got even worse, as the voters of Maryland, the District of Columbia and Virginia all appeared set to hand lopsided wins to Mr. Obama. With a cold and bleak February calendar staring straight at them—other states set to vote this month are Wisconsin and Mr. Obama’s former home, Hawaii—some of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters are wondering how long she can keep losing without her support collapsing in the remaining contests.

Mrs. Clinton has made a show of addressing those concerns by replacing her campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, with another loyalist, Maggie Williams. (Several donors interviewed for this story said, in retrospect, that they thought Ms. Doyle was in over her head.) But at this point, no change in personnel alters the campaign’s prescription for recovering its position: win Ohio and Texas on March 4, and Pennsylvania on April 22.

“If she doesn’t do well in these states,” said Mr. Nemazee, “it’s a completely different matter, and the momentum swings completely over to the other side.”

The Clinton campaign’s other scenario—Mrs. Clinton loses a majority of elected delegates but is protected by a buffer of party-appointed superdelegates to make up the difference—looks increasingly unlikely.

“The superdelegates are going to by and large mirror the popular vote,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, himself a superdelegate.

Schumer said he was “committed” to Mrs. Clinton no matter what. Asked if there wouldn’t be a revolt in the party if superdelegates undid the results of the state primaries and caucuses, he suggested that there was some wiggle room. “If the election is that close that 10 superdelegates going one way rather than the other way (decides it)? No. People will say it was a very close election.”

But, he said, “I don’t see a massive move of superdelegates different than how their states voted.”

The states may well end up voting for Mrs. Clinton in the end. But the realization that seems to have set in, somewhat jarringly, among her supporters is that there’s no safety net if they don’t.

“Everybody is taken aback—nobody expected it,” said John Catsimatidis, a supermarket magnate and prominent donor to Mrs. Clinton. (He was bestowed with the title of “Hillraiser” by the Clinton campaign, signifying that he had raised more than $100,000.) “Nobody expected Obama to be so strong. And at the end of the day, I think the Clintons will win out. But I have been saying that all along and it is getting harder to keep saying that.”

“Here’s the thing,” said Yashar Hedayat, a prominent fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton in Los Angeles. “I have a lot of donors who are nervous, who are looking at the calendar like you are and saying, ‘How is this possible?’ But I feel very good about Ohio and Texas and Pennsylvania.”

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Sen. Schumer stopped by Daily Kos yesterday to endear himself to the netroots by trying to appear impartial:

Winning the presidency isn't enough. Whether it's President Obama or President Clinton, they are going to need a Democratic Senate that can pass, instead of obstruct, a progressive agenda.

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Schumer is worried about obstructing a progressive agenda? “I'm sorry, Senator Schumer, but...

Even you, Senator, must have known about the dangerous precedent that you helped set when you allowed Michael Mukasey to be appointed as Attorney General despite his disgusting stance on torture. Quite ironic how far the bar has moved since Kimba Wood and Zoe Baird’s nominations were withdrawn over household employment taxes.


Knocked Off Balance, Clinton Campaign Tries to Regain Its Stride

By PATRICK HEALY and KATHARINE Q. SEELYE Published: February 14, 2008

SAN ANTONIO — The Texas and Ohio presidential primaries, on March 4, have become must-win contests for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, her advisers say. So why is she just opening campaign field offices across those states?

The primary in Pennsylvania, on April 22, is also a crucial battleground. So why is her campaign telling its most prominent supporter there, Gov. Edward G. Rendell, that there is not enough money now for his proposed piece of direct mail to voters?

And the Maine caucuses on Sunday were the one recent contest that Mrs. Clinton had hoped to win. So why did the campaign of her rival, Senator Barack Obama, have better political and Internet operations to energize its supporters there? (Mr. Obama won Maine.)

The answers go to the heart of Mrs. Clinton’s current political challenge. She and her team showered so much money, attention and other resources on Iowa, New Hampshire and some of the 22-state nominating contests on Feb. 5 that they have been caught flat-footed — or worse — in the critical contests that followed, her political advisers said.

She also made a strategic decision to skip several small states holding caucuses, states where Mr. Obama scored big victories, accumulating delegates and, possibly, momentum.

Her heavy spending and relatively modest fund-raising in January compounded the problems, leaving the campaign ill-equipped to plan after Feb. 5, advisers and donors say.

“It sure didn’t look like they had a game plan after Super Tuesday,” Mr. Rendell said in an interview on Wednesday. “What I would have done, knowing the line-up, I would’ve picked one or two states to make an all-out effort, whether Maine or Washington State or you name it, to really try to stop the Obama momentum.”

While Clinton fund-raising has rebounded, to about $1 million a day, her advisers acknowledge that Mr. Obama has been taking money in at a faster clip since January. They say his recent money advantage is one reason he was able to build stronger organizations and spend more on advertising than she did in several states this winter.

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If the Clinton organization appears a little improvisational, a review of its recent performances suggests that Mrs. Clinton was outmaneuvered by Mr. Obama, who won some of his victories by margins of two to one.

In Idaho, for example, Mr. Obama’s campaign started setting up nearly a year before the Feb. 5 caucus. By the day of the caucus, he had five offices in the state and 20 paid staff members. A few days before, Mr. Obama himself showed up in Boise, drawing 14,000 people to the Taco Bell Arena, the biggest in the state.

Mrs. Clinton, by contrast, sent one of her supporters, Senator Maria Cantwell of neighboring Washington State, to drop by just before the caucuses.

<…>

In Minnesota, “the Clinton campaign was in triage mode,” said Lawrence Jacobs, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota. He said Mrs. Clinton appeared to have allocated her dwindling resources to New York and California, the biggest prizes in the Feb. 5 contests (and which she won), investing almost nothing in media advertising in Minnesota and leaving her campaign there “like a M.A.S.H. unit.”

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The campaign will be spinning a comeback, but it may be too little too late, especially if they have to go even more negative than they already have. Another vile post from Larry Johnson, Taylor Marsh's friend, in support of Hillary:

In the meantime, we have to watch the equivalent of a papal coronation, as the media and fans exhult in the Obama Messiah, the black Jesus come to save us. But sometime in the next four months, the excitement will fade as the reality of who Obama is comes out.

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Now I know Obamaphiles will simply bend over and stick their head in their neighbor's ass and proclaim the putrid aroma as the heaven-sent breath of God. They will say this means nothing and is just carping.

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I guess this is a sign of things to come if Hillary falls further behind.



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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:33 PM
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1. K
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:33 PM
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2. Great post, and Larry Johnson is a pig. I'd have the same opinion of
him if he were saying these things about Clinton.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:41 PM
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8. WTF is it with Larry and Joe Wilson, anyway?
I used to respect both of them, but they are obviously no longer deserving of it. But then, I used to respect Hillary too.....
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:46 PM
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12. I just don't know. I don't care if they have a favorite candidate, I do also.
But the vitriol they're spewing is not helping my formerly good opinions of them both.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:03 PM
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14. It's desperation! n/t
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:57 PM
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23. Yeah, I agree. Maybe the Clinton's have promised them big jobs, and
they see them slip- sliding away.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:45 PM
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27. I said desperation, you said jobs, but I wonder
what kind of character flaw someone must possess to make the kind of statement Johnson made? He can't even claim that it was a disgusting slip of the tongue, he sat down wrote this and posted it online.

Vile!

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:34 PM
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3. The "empty suit" theme goes poof.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:35 PM
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4. Arrogance is the word.
It's what Hillary is all about and it was her fatal flaw.

But she's a smart woman and still could become a good, progressive democrat. Time will tell.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:27 PM
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38. It wasn't arrogance. Who here ever heard of Obama before this
media hyped campaign? I am sure Hillary was more atuned to Biden and Dodds campaign. No one should pretend that Obama was above the radar before the media started pumping him up. What Hillary really didn't understand is the deep hate out there for her and Bill and I can understand why she missed it. There doesn't seem to be any really good reason for it except that people have been taught to hate the Clintons. When I asked several people why they felt that way about the Clintons and what had they ever done to deserve such venom, one person told me that Hillary helped kill Vince Foster. Two people were honest enough to say just didn't like them and couldn't say why. One man said that he hated Bill because he was a draft-dodger (this man listens to Rush every day and loves him.). Go figure.
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:36 PM
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5. Wow... K&R
Their path to victory is to bash all those states that voted for Obama and push super-delegates to vote for her even if she loses on the total number of pledged delegates and by the popular vote.


Dissmissing democrats from states you didn't win and convincing party elites to vote against the popular will of the democratic party must be the Clinton strategy to destroy the democratic party and ensure a McCain victory.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:38 PM
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6. What does Hillary major in?
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 01:38 PM by Araxen
Since it's obvious she doesn't major in math. I know Huckabee majors in miracles. So what does she major in?
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:42 PM
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9. Arrogance and/or entitlement.
She certainly has not shown much else.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:40 PM
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7. And this is why I can't support her
Poor management and preperation--is that what we want or need in the White House? We've had 8 years of it with BushCo and you see where the arrogance and lack of thoughtful consideration and planning has gotten us. Is that what we want more of?
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:43 PM
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10. Larry Johnson. How vile and disgusting can a person be?
I keep hearing about Obama supporters being the "hateful" ones. So much for that.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:30 PM
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50. This will make LJ's head explode:


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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:44 PM
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11. What's going to be her excuse if she loses the general election?
"I never expected McCain to be so competitive" :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:48 PM
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13. Ready on day one!
Or not.

This campaign she's running undercuts the biggest reason she offers for supporting her. She's blown a wad of dough on what? She underestimated her opponent and misjudged the pulse of the electorate. I hope she has the receipt for the tiara she purchased cause she's gonna need to return it.

And the way she and her surrogates diss the people in states that didn't vote for her is really uncalled for.

I hope she's asked in the next debate about the mess that is her campaign and what it says about her "hands-on" management style.


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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:10 PM
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15. That's the whole thing. She is clearly NOT ready on Day One.
Say, she pulls out indeed a miracle, and with supers gets the nomination. Her arguments don't really work now, do they?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:13 PM
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16. Hell, she won't even be ready on Day Two!
Lack of contigency planning is really a bad, bad way to go.

It appears that Hillary is not as "experienced" as she claims!

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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:37 PM
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19. "won't even be ready on Day Two" ...
Good one! The "Day One" talking point/sound bite has become a cliché, and a grating one at that.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:28 PM
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17. Clinton didn't anticipate Obama's "shadow" campaign staff
Its fairly obvious Obama's campaign is getting a lot of professional advice and help from somewhere from developing the strategy of tapping into young college students to sway caucus turnouts to the bizarre tactic of sending out of state Obama staff to target offices of superdelegates with sidewalk demonstrations (almost reminds you of the Brooks Brothers Rebellion).

The slick, Madison avenue style propaganda campaign is much more than a newspaper reporter or your average staff of political consultants usually comes up with. No, its fairly obvious Obama is getting a lot of "under the radar" professional help behind the scenes that is helping him brand himself and "roll out his product". I wouldn't have these questions had I not actually seen these operations pop up in Congressional office buildings in DC shortly after Bush was elected - mini boiler room operations backed by corporate money that wrote legislation, coordinated with lobbyists and managed the strategies to get their agendas passed in Congress.

Its no surprise if the Clinton campaign was caught slightly off guard by the slick production of a Fortune 100 boiler room operation, but its something they can deal with. The bigger question is, who is behind it and what has Obama promised them in return for their handiwork?

Corporations and PR firms don't do these things for free, they must be anticipating some big payoff if Obama is elected.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:46 PM
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22. Mark Penn should be fired and James Carville sent packing for being wrong about the "war room"
The woman who gave the War Room its name knows how tough politics at the presidential level can be. Adversaries spent $60 million against her in 2000, and she endured press scrutiny that would have wilted most candidates. She gave as good as she got, and she triumphed.

For those who think that the politics of personal destruction might be rekindled against Hillary or her husband, we can only remind people how consistently that approach has backfired in the past. Bill Clinton would certainly be a huge asset if Hillary decided to run.


Look like Hillary's campaign has no problem engaging in the politics of personal destruction.

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:01 PM
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25. So Hillary is paying for the kind of help only Obama is getting
Very interesting. :eyes:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:44 PM
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31. DId you not read the line in Obama's resume that says "Community Organizer"?
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 08:44 PM by hedgehog
What do you think he was organizing during those years, pot luck suppers?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:56 PM
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33. Hey, don't dis the pot luck suppers...
I think this campaign has shown that pot luck suppers are a better way to feed a crowd than catered buffets. :P
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:55 PM
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32. Wow, that's a new one.
Instead of it being "cult" of blacks, activists, college kids, latte liberals, republicans, etc. there's now an organized Astroturfing effort led by shadowy Madison avenue elites? :shrug:

Tell that to the 30 or so enthusiastic Obama supporters doing GOTV and visibility on election day here in Santa Barbara. :crazy:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:56 AM
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41. Corporations get payoffs no matter which of them wins
Without corporate backing, you aren't allowed to be a frontrunner.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:58 AM
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48. Here. I think you'll be needing this:
:tinfoilhat:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:29 PM
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18. Well duh.
Hillary Clinton wasn't planning on being ready until day one.
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:00 PM
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24. Good one!
:rofl:
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:42 PM
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20. But this CAN'T be! She has SOO much more experience..what with being 1st lady and all.
Figure she would have learned SOMETHING about campaigning along the way!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:43 PM
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21. Oops - her sense of entitlement is showing.
By miscalculating Obama's popularity and blowing over 100 million in a month, Hillary has handicapped herself. That's one of the things I can't stand about her. She thought she had it in the bag before it even started.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:06 PM
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26. Bill Clinton strikes again!
I should say strikes out

On WMAL-AM yesterday in an interview with Chris Plante, former President Bill Clinton implied the media has been unfair to his wife, stated that she was standing up to sexism when she took on NBC, and -- when asked about MSNBC's David Shuster's comments about his daughter, Chelsea -- said there was a double standard.

"If he had made a racial slur against Senator Obama, he would have been fired," Clinton said.

Of his wife's recent travails, he said, "the caucuses aren't good for her. They disproportionately favor upper-income voters who, who, don't really need a president but feel like they need a change."



Whining, check!

Bizarre comment, check!



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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:49 PM
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28. I guess she just assumed she'd be greeted as a liberator.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:31 PM
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29. Big mistake for her was going with the Terry McAuliffe
Big State/Blue State strategy. Obama went with the Howard Dean 50 state strategy.

And I think this strategy will mean he will have better coattails than Hillary for the GE in getting more Dems in the congress.

Clinton went with the old DNC strategy, and I blame McAuliffe partially for the losses we took in Congress.

Obama went with the new strategy, the strategy that helped Dems take back the Congress in '06.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:38 PM
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30. Well. Said. nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:59 PM
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34. Word.
Obama's grassroots are going to be there waiting to GROW ANEW in the run up to November.

Hillary's donors? We'll see...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:01 PM
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35. That's it!
Which is why superdelegates aren't going to force Hillary in. They are actually scared to death that she may win the nomination at this point. And I don't blame them. What a disaster this "experienced Commander in chief" is before she even gets started.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:07 PM
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36. Interesting
THANKS...
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:14 PM
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37. Interesting...
“If we had won Iowa and New Hampshire, as we had anticipated, projected, et cetera, you would not have been in a situation in which you are losing all of these small states—because we didn’t put any resources in those small states,” he said. “Obama, on the other hand, put resources in these small states.”

Compounding the damage of the bad defeats in Iowa, and then South Carolina, Mr. Nemazee explained, was the lack of the necessary foresight to invest the campaign’s resources in the states that Mrs. Clinton’s rival, Barack Obama, is now gobbling up as fuel for his ever more threatening momentum.

“You needed to have a Plan B, and Plan B was just doing what we are doing right now rather than having resources in the small states,” he said. “We basically ceded every one of these small red states that he has racked up victories in. And the reason that he has racked up victories at this level isn’t because he was so much more well received, or because his message was any better; it was because we didn’t put any resources in there. We weren’t campaigning there. We didn’t have anybody in Utah, in Idaho, in the Dakotas. In Alaska.”


so basically, Obama is using Dean's 50-state strategy in the primary, and Hillary is using the McCaulaffe/DLC strategy of keeping the candidates powder dry, and only putting resourses in "winnable" states. Needless to say, Obama's strategy appears to be working rather well. Hopefully the DLC will be permanently kicked to the curb, alongside their near cousins the neo-cons.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:39 AM
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39. The "FLY OVER" States - the ones Hillary campaigned in all the rest would just
have to accept her as their candidate.

I really like Obama campaigning in all 50 states, no one is ignored, no one is taken for granted.

For all of Hillary's "35 years of experience" she could learn a lot from Obama.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:42 AM
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40. From the man that helped put Clinton in the WH in 92
As a former campaign manager, Wihelm said he especially appreciates organization - and the Obama campaign clearly impressed him. “It has been a masterful campaign - he has out-worked, out-organized and out-rasied his opponents every step of the way. As a former campaign manager, I know organizational excellence when I see it. And the Obama campaign, win or lose, will serve as a model for future generations to come.” He added, “The Obama campaign has overcome truly daunting organizational odds, not to mention the aura of inevitability and that should provide Democrats with confidence.”

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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:07 AM
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42. WOW!
that says so much.

Hillary can't manage her own campaign, yet she's so experienced and ready on day one :puke:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:08 AM
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43. Amazing! n/t
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:11 AM
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44. Clinton's campaign strategy mirrors the Iraq war
A rush into it. Improper planning for an insurgency. Nobody watching the money. No exit strategy.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:14 AM
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45. After this trainwreck of a campaign, I can't believe there are folks still foolish enough to vote
HRC. Their ignorance of reality is amazing.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:38 AM
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46. No doubt
Would Hillary run the country any different than her failed campaign for the presidency?

I sure as hell wouldn't wanna find out!
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:40 AM
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47. If I had to guess, I'd say Hillary's campaign
was not prepared for a marathon run--they're sprinters.

Obama was.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:24 PM
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49. The campaign is running
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 05:25 PM by ProSense
on whine with the help of Hillary's supporters. It was ludicrous for Lynn Swann and Michael Steele to try to push the argument that the Dems take African Americans for granted, and this claim about Democrats and women is the same kind of idiocy being injected into this campaign.


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