Can Obama win California & Massachusetts over McCain in the GE?

[sloppyjoe25s]

hmmm... i think i MIGHT know the answer but here is a "poor mans poll" anyway...(I'm not a donor so I can't post a "fancy DU poll" - so simple answers will do)


==> Can Obama win California & Massachusetts over McCain in the GE?

(and let's throw in New York another BSTC - "Big State That Counts" just for fun...)


...and what does this say about who is the stronger Candidate if Obama can also carry red & purple states?

Please K&R

[TexasObserver]

1. Absolutely, which is why Hill's argument about her wins is disingenuous, like her whole campaign.

[sloppyjoe25s]

6. hmmmm..... so since Electoral votes count

are you trying to imply that Winning in Swing States is important? Golly Gee! ;)

[TexasObserver]

8. Indeed! Hillary can't win all the states Kerry did, muchless swing states.

The fact that Hillary supporters cannot see this or will not admit it proves they simply put their loyalty to Hillary above logic, reason, and the party's chances for victory.

[Hepburn]

2. As to Calif...

...abso-fucking-lutely can Obama take this state!

[nomorewhopper]

3. obama will have grave difficulty in massachusetts

from what i gather a lot of clinton supporters are going to stay home during the election



ooh i forgot to add: SARCASM :D

[SteppingRazor]

4. Of course he can (and will) win CA, NY and MA.

I doubt think you can have an intellectually honesty doubt about that, especially in Mass and NY. California's not as blue as everyone makes it out to be, but I can't imagine it going for McCain either.

[Marrah_G]

5. Any Dem can beat any Rep in the GE in Mass. n/t

[sloppyjoe25s]

7. I'm glad some people see the point

that her victories in California, Massachusets, and New York - are pretty meaningless in terms of the GE.

It's a shame that any state Obama wins "Doesn't Matter" - and that he's polling 16 points better than her agains McCain in NV and CO

[BlueManDude]

11. Reagan won MA twice and McCain is popular here and all over the NE.

[rox63]

12. Obama will win MA as the nominee

And I will stake my 40+ years as a proud Masshole on that. :)

[BlueManDude]

33. I agree but he would likely beat HRC here in MA and in NH and ME

[Marrah_G]

16. This is a different time the Reagan. n/t

[boston bean]

15. U R wrong we have had a repub gov for over 16 years until last election.

MCCain will have a huge amt of support in MA.

[Marrah_G]

18. A moderate republican Gov is different- The legislature controls things here

[boston bean]

20. Do you think i'm stupid or something. McCain is going to have great support here.

It will not be a cake walk.

[Marrah_G]

28. not sure why you are responding in that tone.

I never said anything about you or your intelligence. I simply have a different opinion about how the people here feel.

In my opinion any Dem could beat any Rep in the Presidential GE this year.

[Zynx]

9. If he doesn't that means he would already by losing by 20+ nationally.

[WCGreen]

10. He sure can if all the democrats work together...

But, if in your scenerio, Clinton supporters refuse to lift a finger for Obama, then he is doomed...

[sloppyjoe25s]

13. But realistically - is he more likely to win CA, MA, NY

Thank she is to win red and purple states in the General?

To me it's obvious - based on how much stronger he polls with Independents in states like NV, CO, NM, OH against McCain than she does.

It seems to prove he has a much better chance in the General.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. They say there's no such thing as a stupid question.

Huh.

[grantcart]

17. I think there is an excellent chance of Obama taking Arizona over McCain in November

[sloppyjoe25s]

19. He has a great shot in NM, CO, and NV also

I'm not saying he can carry TX in the general - that is a long shot.

but alot of these SW states where red - Obama has made them purple to blueish.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. I really think Louisiana's in play.

Gore almost won it in 2000, I think Obama can pull it off.

[taught_me_patience]

21. Obama will win California

pretty easily. I don't think McCain would even seriously campaign here. (if he did, he wouldn't be welcomed)

[XemaSab]

31. EVERYONE campaigns in California....

It's the first station on the line for the GRAVY TRAIN. :eyes:

[Thrill]

22. Some of you act like McCain is some great Candidate

This guy is a warmonger and has a long history of dirt. Stop with the nonsense that he's going to take a Blue States

[Moh96]

23. Can you think of the last time California went for republicans?

[book_worm]

27. 1988--the first George Bush and even then it was razor thin.

[ihelpu2see]

25. Easily, he has had twice the number of votes than both McCain and Huck

combined sometimes.

[book_worm]

26. you honestly think Obama isn't going to win MA, NY and CA?

just becuz Hillary won those in a dem primary doesn't mean that such blue states will vote for McCain in a general election.

[BigDDem]

29. Only if he can get Maria Shriver,

Ted K and John K on board

[XemaSab]

32. Good one.

:D

[XemaSab]

30. Is this a rhetorical question?

:shrug:

:D

[saltpoint]

34. Certainly.