Uh Oh....I wonder if Donnie McClurkin is going to donate

[cboy4]

to DU so Obama's punching bag ends up hitting McCain before Hillary's punching bag?

I'm dying to see how this is all going to play out! :bounce:





LOL

[IndianaJones]

1. that would make a nice valentines card. nt.

[cboy4]

3. Duh. What do you think I'm sending out?

:diabolical smirk:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. How's the McClurkin soundbite working out for you guys?

Any success?

[cboy4]

4. Which soundbite are you talking about?

?

[Unsane]

47. The faux meme you've been pushing for 3 days.

You know, the story that nobody gives a shit about outside DU.

[cboy4]

56. Spoken like a true Republican.

:hi:

[Jamastiene]

52. So, you are calling my rape a soundbite.

You are a fucking heartless bastard. Maybe one day you'll be raped and I can call anything you have to say about it a fucking sound bite. Drop dead, asshole.

[ieoeja]

5. Quick! What is the difference between your picture...

... and the pictures below?

Answer: Bill Clinton is in the same pictures as Donnie. While you can not find a picture of Obama and McClurkin together.

These were taken in May of last year, just a few weeks before some R&B artist told Obama he should hire McClurkin to headline one of his Gospel music concerts/fund-raisers.

[Bluebear]

7. Quick! Obama HIRED McClurkin to preach his ex-gay schtick. Clinton didn't.

[alteredstate]

9. Are you sure that Senator Obama "hired" McClurkin?

Or did McClurkin ask to join the gospel tour?

[Bluebear]

12. To begin with, what would it matter? Either way Obama featured the "ex-gay" message

[alteredstate]

24. It does matter.

[ieoeja]

10. Quick! Who argues for gay rights in front of anti-gay audiences? n/t

[Bluebear]

13. John Edwards?

[ieoeja]

17. Did he? Then huzzah for both Edwards and Obama! n/t

[Bluebear]

18. Sorry, Obama pandered to Christian conservatives via Obama.

[cboy4]

15. Bill Clinton is running for President?

:shrug:

[Sapphocrat]

46. Quick! It was Andrew Young's 75th birthday celebration!

Clinton and McClurkin were invited. Clinton did not invite McClurkin -- and it certainly wasn't a fundraising event.

But thanks for playing!

[cboy4]

50. LOL....They think they're so clever! - The life of an

apologist must be stressful.

:eyes:

[Jamastiene]

53. I don't give them that much fucking credit.

If they are willing to hop in bed with homophobes, they are homophobes themselves. Just calling them how I see them. If I didn't have to go to the grocery store, I'd dive into this thread headlong and pop a few caps in a few asses right now. Instead, I'm bookmarking and after I get through with the grocery store trip and cooking, I'll be baaaa-aaaack. :evilgrin:

[cboy4]

55. Dammmit.....I have to get ready for work in about 45 min

so I may miss your popping of caps into asses posts.

:cry:

But you go girl!

I can read when I get home tonight!!

[MadBadger]

6. Oh shut up and kick ur McClurkin Apology thread.

[Bluebear]

8. The concern of Obama Nation reflected in one post.

:hi:

[cboy4]

21. Why are you so mad that I posted a nice valentine

photo?

[racaulk]

34. Why should we kick that thread?

I imagine you have that thread hidden anyway. So if we were to kick it, would you even see it? :shrug:

[Iceburg]

11. Kick for the Human Rights crowd/nt

[cboy4]

23. Nice!

[HeraldSquare212]

14. Why does Hillary get a free pass for appearing at a fundraiser for an anti-gay minister?

[racaulk]

16. How did the OP give Hillary a "free pass" in this thread?

[HeraldSquare212]

20. But I notice all the Hillary supporters chiming in - apparently they think this distinguishes Obama

from HRC, but that's just not true.

[racaulk]

25. "all the Hillary supporters"

As of right now, I only see one Hillary supporter upthread...IndianaJones. Bluebear and cboy are Edwards supporters-turned-uncommitted, if my memory serves me.

But I do notice more than one Obama supporter trying to dismiss and minimize the issue...again. And here you are saying that Hillary is supposedly getting a free pass--in a thread that has nothing to do with Hillary.

[HeraldSquare212]

26. Fine - but what about Hillary?

Shall I post OPs pointing out her attendance at an anti-gay minister's fundraiser? Is that the preferred means of stating my point?

[racaulk]

28. So, what about Hillary? This thread is about Obama and McClurkin.

To shift the subject to Hillary would be deflection and thread hijacking, and would suggest a hesitance to address the subject at hand.

Or are you trying to give a "free pass" to Obama?

[HeraldSquare212]

30. There are and have been repeated postings about Obama on this

I think there are two on the first page now. But if people are so incensed by a candidate appearing with an anti-gay minister, why aren't there any posts about Hillary's? That's giving Hillary a free pass, and I will keep reminding people of it in my replies to all of the anti-Obama posts. The people posting are obviously interested in the issue, and therefore I'll be helping them out by giving them additional information related to the issue.

[racaulk]

33. You have a good point.

However, in those same Obama/McClurkin posts, you will notice Obama supporters come in and immediately attempt to change the subject away from Obama to Clinton. You can see it here in this very thread. The defense is nothing more than "But look at Hillary, look at what she did," all the while never addressing the issue at hand, that issue being Obama and McClurkin. I have yet to read a single post where an Obama supporter said "Yes, my candidate was wrong." (My apologies if I missed those posts, I just haven't seen them.) It's always to deflect away from Obama and to Clinton. Deflection is not a valid defense, and to quote the old adage, "two wrongs don't make a right."

Your complaint is that Hillary is getting a free pass, but by deflecting from Obama to her, you're giving Obama a free pass. Can't you see the hypocrisy in that?

[cboy4]

37. Oh snap!

That's a good point.

And frankly, it's almost more irritating that people are dismissing the incident than it is the event took place at all.

[HeraldSquare212]

38. I'm not deflecting - I'm adding. I don't think what he did was right,

but the repetitiveness of the positing re: McClurkin has led me to believe that it, like the swarm postings on cult, Reagan and present votes, is simply a standard anti-Obama theme (as I said, there are two posts about it on the front page now; at times, there have been many more). I could be mistaken. But even if I am, and the issue is being repeatedly raised out of an honest revulsion (which would be an appropriate reaction), then adding to the discussion by pointing out that the other candidate did the same is appropriate, esp, as I said, when there are only two candidates remaining. So, if it's an anti-Obama post, it's appropriate to point out Hillary's actions; if it's a post protesting the fact that a politician stood with someone like him, then it is also appropriate to point out another politician who did the same. In neither case is it 'hijacking.'

[Neecy]

19. Wow

They make "Christ" jerseys? Who knew?

[cboy4]

22. LOL. Are you surprised? n/t

[no name no slogan]

29. "Gotta support the team"

:crazy:

[donheld]

27. Maybe if and when Obama gets the nomination

you all can come to Denver and protest him.

[cboy4]

31. Donheld, don't project....We have a right to be upset

about this situation.

That's fine if you don't have a problem with McClurkin's views.

But just like people have a right to defend the way Obama handled this incident....so do we.

[donheld]

39. Who said I wasn't upset with McJurkins views

What I have a problem with is, some of you, making anyone who disagrees with you feel like they are not loyal to the gay rights cause. I do not think it's right to ignore all the pro-gay stands Obama has made just because of one or two people we disagree with. I also think some of you may be doing more harm than good. By posting and reposting the same arguments over and over again and bashing anyone who has any argument at all makes us(Gays and Lesbians) look bad. I AM NOT SAYING GET OVER IT. I am saying there has to be away to get past this and not berate anyone who disagrees.

[cboy4]

40. Donheld...it's the dismissive nature of the disagreements

that is the major problem - at least for me.

There's too much "Oh what's the big deal...?"

It's demeaning.

And you *almost* seem to be suffering from Log Cabin Republican Stockholm Syndrome.

It sounds like you'd rather cower in the closet regarding controversial gay issues, rather than fight, because you don't want to ruffle feathers.

Well Don, not one thing gets accomplished when you don't speak out over and over.

That's just the way it is.

[donheld]

41. I'm about as far from Log Cabin Syndrome as you can get

Singing the same song over and over wears the song out no matter how good the song is.

You've harped on this same issue for 3 or 4 months now. Have you really changed many minds? Are there any other issues you care about?

[cboy4]

42. Is that the same thing you would have told Martin Luther

King or any of the other civil rights heroes back in the 50's and 60's?

You would have told them to give it up because they weren't changing minds fast enough?

[donheld]

43. Dr King had MUCH better tactics than you do.

He also had a much more valid complaint.

[cboy4]

44. Oh I see....Dr. King had much better tactics than I, so that

gives you a free pass to dismiss the feelings of people.

Why are you basing your decision on what I say?

The bottom line is you would easily blend in with the Log Cabin Republicans.

I see absolutely no difference between your views and their views.

You're a freeloader when it comes to battling for gay civil liberties.

You can continue insulting me all you want, but that doesn't change the facts.

Obama embraced a dangerous homophobe and you couldn't give a rat's ass.

But I bet you'll gladly accept all of the civil liberties the rest of us battle to secure for you.

Isn't that true donheld?

[donheld]

45. That's as far from the truth as it can possibly be

But if that's what you want to think that's fine. I will not ask for your's or anyone else's approval.

[cboy4]

48. Well donheld....certainly you don't consider yourself

an effective advocate for gay rights.

Reading all of your baloney about how gay people are making too much noise (and perhaps offending people) --and-- reading how you minimize the McClurkin controversy.....that leads me to only one conclusion.

At the very most, you're a passive defender of gay rights.

Don't lash out at me because I'm saying it like it is.

Also, I've not called you a Republican....you're projecting.

My point is you could very easily fit in.

There's no reason why you can't support Obama, while criticizing him for embracing McClurkin -- a notorious homophobe who could very well be responsible for the suicide deaths of numerous gay youth who think they're evil because of the filth he preaches.

So you go ahead and call me an "asshole" and "a fucking jerk" and all the names you want.

None of that changes the fact that you're one of the last people I'd want fighting for gay civil liberties because you don't seem to care.

Be furiuos with me if you want, but you should really be furious with yourself for making others do all of the heavy equal rights lifting for you.

Honesty stings sometimes donheld.

And you can't dispute anything I've said.

[donheld]

49. If you say so.

[cboy4]

51. I'm glad you're seeing the light.

Fighting for civil liberties is a 24/7 job donheld.

We don't need people sleeping on the couch. They're dead weight.

[LostinVA]

32. My little Damien

I love you.

Happy Valentine's Day!

:pals:

[cboy4]

35. I love you more!

[avrdream]

36. Yeah, probably.

I have seen clearly the "win at all cost" way of Barack this primary. When he threw the gays to the curb that way, he was pulling in a LOT of AA voters (I lived as a gay woman in South Carolina for 16 years and know how homophobic blacks are there) at the expense of us. His supporters say he is constantly preaching about including the gays but ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, BARACK!!!!!

[Jamastiene]

54. North Carolinian here.

They are atrocious here as well. They aren't fooling those of us who know the truth, are they?