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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:47 PM
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Deep in the heart of Texas Obama can win the Presidency!
How ironic that it has come down to this.

The home state of the worst president in modern times may deliver it to the next Democratic president of these United States!

Even James Carville acknowledged last night on Larry King, that if Obama wins Texas - Hillary won't win the nomination. He said she must win OH and PA too.

Of the 3 states in play on March 4th, Obama has the best shot to win Texas and a damn good chance to have won 10 straight states by then! Add TX to the win column and the deal is sealed. No amount of delegate maneuvering will stand opposed to the obvious will of the electorate.

Just a win in Texas folks and it will be over. Then we can focus on McLame and the puke machine.

A good omen for Obama in TX was revealed today....

here:

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/02/14/texas_house_democratic_leader.html




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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:55 PM
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1. A Texas redemption.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:56 PM
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2. I listened to Rush Limbaugh this afternoon
and heard some callers suggesting the Republicans cross over and vote for Obama in Texas to take out Hillary. The question is why do the Republicans want to "take out" Hillary when Obama is their worst nightmare?
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:59 PM
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5. because he's not their
worst nightmare....hillary is even if she didn't win...the fact that she could get close enough to possibly win gives em the vapors.........those crossover votes will go to mccain in the ge
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:59 PM
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6. isn't Rush for Clinton though?
What did he say in response?
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:03 PM
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10. yeah rush is for clinton
i'm sure that he's so pissed that mccain got the nomination that rush really would like clinton to win....NOT.....rush will be for mccain when it counts...the rw talking heads can say anything they want at the moment and the repubs can cross in open primaries and vote for the democratic candidates....surely no grown up really believes the radical surge in southern open primaries was honest.....mccain already had a lock......it would seem that the repubs prefer obama
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:10 PM
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13. Well there was another caller who said
this was the first time in history the Liberal Media and Conservative talk radio both had the same agenda to see the demise of the Clintons. Rush agreed but said if she their opponent in the general the Liberal Media will go back to supporting the Clintons. So even Rush Limbaugh can see Obama is getting a free pass from the MSM.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:13 PM
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24. I'd give you a heart for your bravery in listening to Limberger,
but I'm fresh out! B-)
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:00 PM
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7. I believe that Rush and his boys have hated Bill and Hillary since before Obama
was a gleam in anyone's eye (at least on the national political scene). ;)
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:56 PM
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3. K & R
:thumbsup:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:57 PM
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4. Obama will win Texas. I haven't said that of any other state, but I know Texas well.
And I know what is going on here. Texas will go for Obama.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:01 PM
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8. Your on the ground in TX...
What's the word on the street?

I far prefer to hear it first hand then from the talking heads in the M$M.

Show me the money! :hi:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:05 PM
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11. It's crazy for Obama down here. The college kids are going berserk.
Blacks are more excited than ever. The economic Republicans are finding Obama attractive, and turned off by McCain.

The Hillary hate in Texas among her strongest demo in most of the country - older whites - is significant.

The only polls are old and out of date. They measure mainly name ID, and they fail to identify as likely voters many Obama supporters. When a poll's primary criterion for determining likely Dem voters is who voted last time in the Dem primary, they are missing the boat entirely.

In 2004, the Dem primary had no impact on the presidential election. This is different. There will be a wave of new Dem voters who are voting for Obama, and that wave is largely people voting in the Dem primary the first time.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:12 PM
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14. what about down in the valley
hillary does well with hispanics......and there are lots of those in the valley....
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:04 PM
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18. is the religious right a force in Texas?
I've been made aware of it today in Wisconsin--on local "religious" (read extreme right-wing political) talk radio. They are fear-mongering over Obama, spreading one smear after another, all in the guise of finding out the real "truth". :puke:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:10 PM
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22. Yes, they are a force in Texas, but they'll go vote for Huckster in the R primary.
That's one reason I hope he hangs around, so he draws them to the R primary.

Obama is ahead among Protestants, Hillary ahead with Catholics.
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Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:10 PM
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12. Yes, do tell!
:)
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:56 PM
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16. One of my sons teaches at a University here, and they can't get enough Obama stuff.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 05:57 PM by TexasObserver
So the kids are making signs on their own, and standing out at key intersections. It's really amazing. My kids worked the Kerry-Edwards campaigns as full time workers from the convention through the election, and they are battle tested. This is a whole new thing for them, having an exciting candidate that people flock to, instead of sort of go along with.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:01 PM
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9. Texas certainly proved their lack of
good judgement when the gave us the Chimp.
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Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:13 PM
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15. And they get a chance to redeem
themselves by choosing Obama :)
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:05 PM
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20. Are you tight with the Diebold and ES&S folks? They might have other ideas.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:53 AM
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34. No, I'm not. But I know the pulse of Texans.
I don't suggest that Diebold or ES&S haven't altered election outcomes, and they may have. New Hampshire, for example. Really curious how Hillary was the only candidate who gained votes on computer counted ballots, while all the other Democrats saw their percentages diminish in such counts. Did they move 4-5 points from all the others to Hillary? It's certainly possible.

I can't say whether there are any theft plans in place by anyone, but given the peculiar things that happened in New Hampshire, California and New Mexico, vote stealing is certainly a possibility anywhere Hillary supporters are controlling the balloting process.
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Oskie Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:10 AM
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37. You know the pulse of Texas...right! I'm in Dallas...lived in Austin for
years. Know folks at the Texas Observer. And Molly Ivins, too. Bless her heart. I see the Austin American-Statesman endorsed Obama over Clinton. The same Austin American-Statesman that endorsed Bush in 2000 and 2004. Get a clue.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:18 AM
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38. I've been doing this a long time in the Texas Democratic party. Sorry you're ignorant.
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 02:20 AM by TexasObserver
I don't know you, but I knew the Texas Observer crew, and you don't talk like anyone who has ever met Ronnie Dugger, Jim Hightower, or Molly Ivins. I've worked with all of them. And Ann Richards, and Lloyd Doggett, and all the good Texas Democrats from Barbara Jordan, to Mickey Leland, to Craig Washington, to Fred Head, to Price Daniel Jr., to Charlie Wilson, to John Hannah, to Sissy Farenthold, to Ron Kirk, to Orlando Garcia, to Willie Valesquez.

You are clueless, so go sell crazy somewhere else, lady.

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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:31 PM
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27. I'm surprised you're so confident. Obama really needs to start campaigning there asap
if he has a chance. You don't think Clinton supporters will come out in full force for Hillary because she has to win it? Or do you think the Obama supporters plus the anti Clinton people will be enough? the last poll i saw had her up 10...
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:59 AM
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35. I do not believe Hillary is as strong in Texas as some observers do. For many reasons.
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 01:59 AM by TexasObserver
1. The limited polls are old, predate February events and the big Obama winning streak, and even then, show her ahead only 48-38.

2. In less than 90 days, Obama has erased the 30+ point lead Hillary had in that series of polls.

3. The poll, in my opinion, undersampled blacks, young people, new voters, and didn't assess the role of indies and cross over Republicans.

Hillary does not have a strong base here. Her best demo, older whites, is weaker for her here than in most states.

Obama should win it, by 5-15 percentage, and if I'm wrong, all who disagree are free to raise hell about it. But I think he's going to take Texas, and it will be the knockout punch that puts the Clinton campaign down for good.
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Oskie Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:17 AM
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32. Texas has lots of hot air, BS and fell for GWB too so why not..
Obama. More hot air, BS and Reagan-lite. After 8 years of the nastiest partisanship ever...well gosh darlin' lets just settled down and have a beer with these mighty fine Repubs. What sweet little rattlers...oops dad burn thing bit me.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:43 AM
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33. Obama is a Democrat. We are talking about the Democratic Primary.
Want to buy a clue?
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Oskie Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:06 AM
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36. Reagan was a Dem, then changed to GOP. He used pretty talk
to distract the audience while his minions did their dirty work undercover of talkness and "morning in America." Don't be fooled by what's playing on the surface. Get a clue.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:23 AM
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39. You're clearly a Hill Shill sock puppet, so I'll dump you in the outhouse.
With the rest of the clueless, lying Hill shill sock puppets.

I'm quite comfortable allowing readers to gauge my Texas Democratic bona fides and compare them to your vapid, witless drivel.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:57 PM
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17. Obama already won Connecticut
:D
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:04 PM
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19. Thanks - My feelings exactly! Go Texas Go!!!!!!!!
:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:07 PM
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21. I think Obama has a good chance on VT and RI on 3/4 as well
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:10 PM
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23. The vise is tightening in OH also.
Hillary's lead is shrinking faster than ... errr ... well, uh ... you fill in the blank! :)
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:20 PM
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25. Do not forget, it's a Texas 2'fer!
Essentially, 75% of the delegates (126 out of 168) awarded will be based on the primary ballots.

This has confused a lot of Texans I have spoken with (especially first-time voters).

15 minutes after the polls close, those who voted must return to their precinct. This "precinct convention" (caucus) will determine how the remaining 42 delegates will be allocated.

So, all Obama has to do is keep it close in terms of the primary votes cast. He can clean up in the later caucuses. This is how he will win it.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:30 PM
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26. Yeah, the Party big wigs are trying hard for Hillary
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 06:31 PM by WolverineDG
but honestly, why should we listen to them anymore? They're the ones who decided to roll over & play dead since 1994. They're the ones who decided it really wasn't necessary to put any effort in GOTV in South Texas. Too bad Hillary wasn't running in 2004, when Tony Sanchez really brought home the Hispanic vote (based on the 2002 turnout). :nopity: We had loads of delegates to send to national. This year? Only 4. Part of me is :rofl: serves 'em right; the other part is :banghead: because their inertia has allowed the GOP to take over Texas & later the country.

If the Clintons really had been playing this like a chess match, they would not have taken the South Texas vote for granted, as if it was already bought & sold to them, & insisted that the party leaders keep the GE turnout as high or higher than the Primary.

dg
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:35 PM
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28. What's going on in South Texas? It seems like that is Clinton's base.
Are you seeing any campaign ads or signs for the candidates?

I haven't gotten a good feel for what's going on in the RGV.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:12 PM
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30. Not in my area
Maybe in the Valley, but I haven't seen anything here. I know many who are supporting Clinton, but there is also excitement for Obama as well, and like everywhere else, it breaks down along generational lines.

dg
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:18 AM
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42. Hillary should win the Rio Grande Valley, but that will only account for about 6 of 31 districts.
That's about 24 of the 126 delegates decided on primary day, and a big win for Hillary would be 14 of those 24, or a net gain of only 4 delegates. The valley has more older Hispanic voters, who trend towards Hillary, but the big cities are where the younger Hispanics are strongest, and they trend heavily to Obama.

I think Hillary may win Hispanics in Texas, but not by much, and it won't produce enough net gain in delegates to offset the black districts, where Obama could easily win 3/4 of the delegates. Also, I think Hillary will get beaten by Obama in all the big cities, with the possible exception of San Antonio.

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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:51 PM
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29. Jim Hightower is going to help Obama
per Al Riordiano from The Field.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 PM
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31. I hope so! n/t
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:25 AM
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40. is he a big deal in tx?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:37 AM
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41. Yes, it's a big deal to long time Texas Progressives.
Jim Hightower has been a fixture in Texas progressive politics since the 1970s, and still is. Look him up. He writes regularly. He was Texas AG commissioner back in the 1980s.

He was for Nader in 2000, so has good credential with Greens and left leaning Democrats.

http://www.jimhightower.com/
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:20 AM
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43. That is really great news
Go, Jim Hightower!
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